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rear wing problem TA
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2002 6:28 am
by Van Malder Harry
Dear list members
On coming tuesday i have to go to my home-land( Belgium)to visit my wife's parents.I also use the trip to visit an exposition of old cars, ( where exposed the car of our list member Olivier De Henau TA 1937).This will be very helpfull to me,because there I can see at last a totally restored TA.
As Olivier told me, they are not just showing cars,but also they sell a few spare parts.
I am desperately in need of a left rear wing to complete the coach work of my TA under restoration, and hope I can buy it out there.I already fixed provisionally the right one, but always I come to the same result. After trying( and trying, and trying) I still get an opening wide3 to 4 cm at the place where the wing is leaving from under the body, (opening I never saw on pictures , and too wide to cover with a rubber strip)
I don't really know if the wing I have is a correct one. TA Terry wrote me that maybe the wings of a TC and a late TA could be the same( thanks Terry). I know, I should not add pictures to my mail, but I reduced the size of the picture to avoid problems of receiving.
Is there someone on the list who can asssure( at base of the picture) if this wing is correct, if not if I can use it, or do I have to buy 2 other ones who fit better, or is there a way to fix it better?
Quick answers please, because I have to leave to Belgium on Tuesday: It would be a great advantage, if I could go, knowing the correct part to buy.
Thanks
Harry
Re: rear wing problem TA
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2002 7:06 am
by Gene Gillam
Harry, As far as I'm concerned, you're forgiven for sending that photo - what a difference a month or two makes on a restoration. I can't believe how far you've come already - it's looking great! I was showing the picture to my wife and her first question was: "Is he restoring that in his kitchen"? She was amazed at the tile floors in your shop/garage (as was I). In regard to the opening between your rear fender and the body tub - I had a similar problem with my TC. I had had to buy a wood kit and reskin my body myself - and ended up with a gap. I reverted to welding an additional piece of metal to the body in that area to close the gap a bit - that, plus the piping, disguised it enough to look decent enough for me. Gene Gillam
49 MG TC
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Re: rear wing problem TA
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2002 9:14 am
by Jack Stehr
Re: [mg-tabc] rear wing problem TA
[quote]Harry,
When I fitted my rear fenders to the new tub that I rebuilt I had a similar gap between the tub and fender. I was also concerned that the piping material would not hide the void. What I did to fix the situation was to fill the gaps with lead. I thought that lead would be less likely to crack or fail than plastic body filler because of vibration and stresses at the repair site.
Using lead as a body filler is not difficult. Take all the finish off of the sheet metal in the areas where you will be applying lead. Then tin this area. Replaced the fender to the tub with several layers of tin foil between the tub and fender. The tin foil serves two purposes. First, because it is not tinned, the lead will not stick to it and the top of the fender that you are protecting. Second, its thickness creates a small gap between the tub and fender that the final piping will fill. Then apply the lead, pushing the hot lead into the gap. Remove the fender and use shaping files to contour the lead repair. It works perfectly, and is not difficult.
I would avoid welding sheet metal to fill the gap. I think it would be more difficult and would get too hot, burning the wood frame behind the sheet metal. You do not have to heat the metal very much to use lead.
If you do not know how to use lead, there is a company "Eastwood" in the USA that sells a video showing the process and offers the few tools that you will need. You can learn the process a few minutes. There are a couple of other areas where you should also use lead, the two bottom corners of the scuttle on either side of the dash and the corresponding top front corners of the doors.
I can e-mail you some pictures of my "fix" in an hour or so.
Jack Stehr
Piedmont, California
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Re: rear wing problem TA
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2002 4:18 pm
by Roger Furneaux
Re: [mg-tabc] rear wing problem TA Harry - this is a common problem! The wing is fine, but the body is wrong: a pity you bought the car with the new body on, if you had bought the body yourself you could have complained to the guy who made it.
Why DO they keep getting it wrong - there are plenty of old wings around, that have not changed their shape in 50/60 years. I had exactly the same problem many years ago, it was the inner wing arches which did not have enough curvature. Then more recently new running boards were so far out that they had to be completely re-shaped to cardboard patterns which took me hours to make.
I know this does not really help you, but your best solution now is to make small metal filler pieces and tack-weld them in place (is it steel or aluminium?) as any other sort of filler will fall out eventually
oc[b]T[/b]agonally
Roger
Harry van Malder wrote:
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On coming tuesday i have to go to my home-land( Belgium)to visit my wife's parents.I also use the trip to visit an exposition of old cars, ( where exposed the car of our list member Olivier De Henau TA 1937).This will be very helpfull to me,because there I can see at last a totally restored TA.
As Olivier told me, they are not just showing cars,but also they sell a few spare parts.
I am desperately in need of a left rear wing to complete the coach work of my TA under restoration, and hope I can buy it out there.I already fixed provisionally the right one, but always I come to the same result. After trying( and trying, and trying) I still get an opening wide3 to 4 cm at the place where the wing is leaving from under the body, (opening I never saw on pictures , and too wide to cover with a rubber strip)
I don't really know if the wing I have is a correct one. TA Terry wrote me that maybe the wings of a TC and a late TA could be the same( thanks Terry). I know, I should not add pictures to my mail, but I reduced the size of the picture to avoid problems of receiving.
Is there someone on the list who can asssure( at base of the picture) if this wing is correct, if not if I can use it, or do I have to buy 2 other ones who fit better, or is there a way to fix it better?
Quick answers please, because I have to leave to Belgium on Tuesday: It would be a great advantage, if I could go, knowing the correct part to buy.
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