FW: Axle eye repairs and camber

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Peter Pleitner
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FW: Axle eye repairs and camber

Post by Peter Pleitner » Sun Dec 23, 2001 11:58 am

Hi Whitworth Heads, Just realized my response below only went to Mark, but it was intended for all. Merry Christmas to most and Happy Holidays to the rest. Cheers, Peter -----Original Message----- From: Peter Pleitner [mailto:pleitner@dundee.net] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 10:18 AM To: m_e_jablonski Subject: Axle eye repairs and camber Hi Mark, Thank you for that report. I was one of the original participants on this thread and the proponent for going to the larger king pin option. When I get around to tending to my axle's eyes, not seriously bad but far from new, I'll be even more so inclined to make oversize king pins. Granted the next owner will get upset when a proper replacement pin doesn't fit. So while I'm at it, I'll take the insignificant extra time and money to make up one or two extra sets of pins and strap them to my original steering box and column hanging in the garage where it is nice and safe (like guns - out of reach of children, and the socially responsible thing to do ;-) ). On second thought, expressing such an opinion is not the politically correct thing to do on this list, I know......... That is, unless I learn more about the benefits of changing front wheel camber. I seem to recall someone saying the racers do this. Stock TABCs use 3 degrees positive camber, which gives them that classic or charming stance when viewed from the front. However, I've always been curious what lead pre-war chassis engineers to this bizarre geometry. Does anyone know? I'd love to read a good explanation from the point of view of the tyre's contact patch and cornering forces. That said, if handling can be improved, then the heat necessary for swedging the eyes back down to 3/4 inch ID would be handy for changing the camber angle at the same time. Cheers, Peter -----Original Message----- From: m_e_jablonski [mailto:m.jablonski@mei.unimelb.edu.au] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:22 PM To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mg-tabc] Re: Axle eye repairs
--- In mg-tabc@y..., Emgeeguy@a... wrote: > In a message dated 12/20/01 4:49:43 PM Central Standard Time, > m.jablonski@m... writes: > > > > Mine had some tight spots after shrinking which > > > > Mark--why were the eyes not reamed for a nice fit with the pins instead of > hammerring them in? > Larry Long Larry This was because after shrinking, the repairer claimed that the eyes were harder than they were originally and didn't want to run reamers through them. I cleaned them up with a two legged brake cylinder hone. As I said in my earlier posting I had to go back to them for a bit of touching up when I cleaned off the high spots. The final fit didn't require hammering in, this would make it difficult, if not impossible, to assemble the pins and knuckles on the car. They need to be a firm push fit or light tap fit. Mark Jablonski Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- This E-mail scanned for worms and viruses by Dundee Internet Services' Virus Detection System. http://www.dundee.net/isp/declude.htm

Chip Old
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Re: FW: Axle eye repairs and camber

Post by Chip Old » Sun Dec 23, 2001 1:07 pm

On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, Peter Pleitner wrote:
> That is, unless I learn more about the benefits of changing front > wheel camber. I seem to recall someone saying the racers do this. > Stock TABCs use 3 degrees positive camber, which gives them that > classic or charming stance when viewed from the front. However, I've > always been curious what lead pre-war chassis engineers to this > bizarre geometry. Does anyone know? I'd love to read a good > explanation from the point of view of the tyre's contact patch and > cornering forces. That said, if handling can be improved, then the > heat necessary for swedging the eyes back down to 3/4 inch ID would be > handy for changing the camber angle at the same time.
Back in the days when most cars had beam front axles, the standard explanation was that positive camber was needed to keep the tire tread flat on the road. This was because in those days most road surfaces were crowned rather than flat to promote drainage into the side ditches. That's no longer valid because roads are no longer crowned (at least not as much). Decambering is of limited value if you're using standard 19 inch tires, because the contact patch is so narrow. It's of more value if you use 16 inch or 15 inch wheels and tires. -- Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E fold@bcpl.net

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