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Others will correct me if Im wrong but I believe the number was stamped only on US EXU car engines - can any SA or Australian members confirm a genuine export model to those countries with the stamping? Clive ===================================== Message text written by "Tammy Greaves"

>Jeff, I do not know if it will help..but I found the number of

my motor stamped into the block just below where the the brass tag at rear of left side of motor. I only discovered this number when I had stripped all the paint from the block prior to the rebuild.

-----Original Message----- From: Dean Jensen [mailto:djensen@accessus.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:59 PM To: 'C Sherriff' Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Motor Number -EXU Models Clive My engine number is stamped in the block as shown, TC 5010, it is an export model but not an EXU. Cheers Dean Illinois -----Original Message----- From: C Sherriff [mailto:Clives_page@compuserve.com] On Behalf Of C Sherriff Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:58 AM To: Tammy Greaves Cc: ---------jeff.r.wienrich@intel.com---Gilbert; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mg-tabc] Motor Number -EXU Models Others will correct me if Im wrong but I believe the number was stamped only on US EXU car engines - can any SA or Australian members confirm a genuine export model to those countries with the stamping? Clive ===================================== Message text written by "Tammy Greaves"

>Jeff, I do not know if it will help..but I found the number of

my motor stamped into the block just below where the the brass tag at rear of left side of motor. I only discovered this number when I had stripped all the paint from the block prior to the rebuild. http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Message text written by "Jeff & Merryl Redman"

>>New South Wales (Australia) Dept. Motor Transport required engine numbers

to be stamped onto the block itself. The brass tag was considered 'too temporary' to be used for identification.

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Charles Hill wrote:

> I noticed that Bob's car 7388 - the next one down the line from mine - > has engine 7861 while mine has engine 7432. Something for the trivia > buffs to try and figure out.

The trivia buffs have been worrying over that for years. The generally accepted explanation is that pre-assembled engines arrived in large batches and were not necessarily installed in numerical order. In most cases the engine number is higher than the chassis number, but how much higher varies all over the place. Occasionally you'll find an engine number lower (sometimes considerably lower) than the chassis number. -- Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E fold@bcpl.net

My TC had the number only stamped below the plate The car originally came from Sydney back in 1962 I believe this was a requirement for the licencing authorities in NSW The West Australian TCs don't have any stampings Darryl TCOC -

>Others will correct me if Im wrong but I believe the number was >stamped only on US EXU car engines - can any SA or Australian >members confirm a genuine export model to those countries with >the stamping? > >Clive > >===================================== >Message text written by "Tammy Greaves" >>Jeff, I do not know if it will help..but I found the number of >my motor stamped into the block just below where the the >brass tag at rear of left side of motor. I only discovered this number >when I had stripped all the paint from the block prior to the rebuild. > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Hi out there, My TC has the number stamped on the block as does a Y Type engine I have. Clem Tc7218 in South Africa

----- Original Message ----- From: Want1937hd@aol.com> To: 100070.740@compuserve.com>; t.greaves@hyperlinx.net> Cc: jeff.r.wienrich@intel.com---Gilbert>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Motor Number -EXU Models > Clive, My block is stamped with the same number as the brass plate, TC 4956 > engine # 5579. Bob > > stamped only on US EXU car engines - can any SA or Australian > members confirm a genuine export model to those countries with > the stamping? > > Clive >> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

There is plenty of evidence that the XPAGs in Home Model TCs had the engine number only on the brass engine number plate, not stamped in the block. MG-TABC list members in the UK can easily verify that (or disprove it, as the case may be), but I've seen plenty of examples my self. There is also plenty of evidence that in TCs meant for export to at least some markets (the US market, for example, even pre-EXU) the engine number was also stamped on the block. We have no way of knowing for certain (unless we have access to someone who worked the assembly line in TC days), but it seems logical to assume that the XPAGs came from the engine plant with the brass ID plate already affixed. Since, as you say, engines were installed into chassis somewhat randomly, it's possible that the engine number was stamped in the block when the engine was installed in a chassis being assembled for export. Factory overhauled engines, DO have numbers, although not the number assigned when the engine was originally built. Details changed over the years, but most I've seen had a square (instead of octagonal) number plate on the flywheel housing. The original round "Type XPAG" (or whatever) overlay plate is used. There is also a rectangular plate on the right-hand side of the crankcase giving some of the rebuild specs. The engine numbers usually begin with "A" or "B", and have no relationship to the engine's original number. Engines sold new seem to have had numbers in the normal sequence, with the normal octagonal brass plate.

On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 WinEstes@aol.com wrote: > I currently have a J2, KN, 2 TCs (one an EXU), 2 TDs, 2 TFs. Most of > these I have had for a very long time. Without exception all have the > engine number stamped on the block in a boss. Of course the pre-war > ones do not have the brass plate that the T-series have. These numbers > all are the same as listed in the MGCC records for these cars. > Assuming an assembly process in which batches of chassis, engines, > bodies, etc. were put together rather randomly and finally a firewall > ID plate was affixed, there had to be identification of the chassis > and engine to permit the ID plate stamping apprentice to put the > numbers there. I cannot believe that the engines came along with > something like a baggage tag to identify them. Therefore, I do not > subscribe to the theory that the engine numbers were put on locally in > countries where the cars were sold, etc. As I recall, and please > correct it if you have other information, an MG factory replacement > engine had no number or was somehow different. If true, this could > explain why some people come up with engines with no numbers. > > Windom Estes, Pebble Beach, CA -- Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E fold@bcpl.net