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XPAG spring bouncing!
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2001 12:20 pm
by Chris Blood esq.
Has anyone experienced this phenomena? and how do you know if you have it?
At about 3.5k I am sure I can detect bounce. I only have 1 large spring on each tappet although I have seen other engines with smaller springs including.
Whats the concensus?
Chris TC 2686 Notts England
Re: XPAG spring bouncing!
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2001 12:31 pm
by Skip Kelsey
Chris:
If you are experiencing valve bounce at 3500 RPM, then the single spring is
too soft. Not a good thing. If you use a stock spring, be sure that they
are the 120 lb. rated springs. The springs that Moss and Abingdon spares
sell are too high a rating, and this will exacerbate the wear of the
tappets, and cam.
Skip Kelsey.........................
At 12:20 PM 4/16/01, Chris Blood esq. wrote:
>Has anyone experienced this phenomena? and how do you know if you have it?
>
>At about 3.5k I am sure I can detect bounce. I only have 1 large spring on
>each tappet although I have seen other engines with smaller springs including.
>
>Whats the concensus?
>
>Chris TC 2686 Notts England
>
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Re: XPAG spring bouncing!
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2001 12:39 pm
by Chip Old
On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Chris Blood esq. wrote to
mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com:
> Has anyone experienced this phenomena? and how do you know if you have
> it?
>
> At about 3.5k I am sure I can detect bounce. I only have 1 large
> spring on each tappet although I have seen other engines with smaller
> springs including.
The standard XPAG valve spring setup uses two springs per valve. Is the
single spring you're using the large spring from a standard two-spring
set, or is it a spring actually designed to work without the inner
spring??
If it's the large spring from a standard two-spring set, then bounce at
3500 RPM shouldn't come as a surprise. The two-spring setup counts on the
combined spring rate of the two springs to prevent bounce up to 5000+ RPM.
If you remove the smaller inner spring, you reduce the spring rate
considerably so the engine speed at which bounce occurs is correspondingly
lower. Also, in a standard two-spring set the difference in spring rate
between the inner and outer spring helps to dampen out harmonics that can
also contribute to bounce.
It's entirely possible to design a single spring to provide the same
spring rate and dampening characteristics as the standard two-spring set.
If your single spring setup is from a specialist supplier and is actually
intended to be used on the XPAG without an inner spring, then it's
reasonable to expect that it was designed accordingly. You'll need to
discuss the bouncing problem with the supplier.
On the other hand if the single spring is just the outer spring from a
standard two-spring set, you need to install the inner springs.
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Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271
Cub Hill, MD, USA 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E
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