Nuts!

[FrankGraham]

Reddo, In US-speak a bolt on wheel is retained by 'lug' nuts which thread on to the studs projecting from the brake drum. As the lug nut threads onto the stud, the studs are sometimes referred to as 'lug' studs. Does Pete's story now make sense? I don't know the origin of the word 'lug' when used this way. -- Frank < frankgraham@msn.com > ______________________

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Redman" redcigar1@bigpond.com> To: "'Peter Roberts'" mgtc@comcast.net> Cc: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 5:35 AM Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Nuts! > > G'day Pete, > > Unusually dim today... (dawn service)... but please explain in English > what in hell's name is a 'lug stud'???? > (Please type slowly) > > Reddo (confused again

[Donald Wilkinson]

Hey Reddo: Jay Lockrow is a local cat (from the Abnormal T's, a western NY State USA group), and thus raised here in the (formerly) unenlightened colony where steel wheels were fastened to flat head Fords, (& everything else), by means of threaded studs fastened to the brake drums and secured by "lug" nuts, ala MG TD (YUK!). What digitaldon finds rather fascinating is the reference Peter makes to an alleged deliberate design parameter of Donald Healy's, to have the "lug studs" perform a function similar to shear pins in an outboard (marine) motor, hardly a fail-safe scheme for auto wheels. Presumably one would prefer the axle shaft to fail rather than have the wheel go totally adrift. Thus the wheel would be retained in place, at least on three quarter floating axles, such as those on TC's. Don TC 7993 G'day Pete, Unusually dim today... (dawn service)... but please explain in English what in hell's name is a 'lug stud'???? (Please type slowly) Reddo (confused again -----Original Message----- From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Roberts Sent: Sunday, 24 April 2005 12:18 AM To: jaylock@localnet.com; 1939mgtb Cc: MERLIN GARAGES; Graham Knight; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Nuts! Since we are into war stories about wheels falling off. Many years ago, whilst traveling at speed on the Interstate, I noticed that the fellow behind me had lost a wheel which went bounding ahead of me into the ditch. Concerned, I looked in the rearview to see what happened to him. You can imagine my astonishment to discover that there was no one behind me! I was driving an early Austin Healy. I had lost the right rear wheel. My weight was just right to balance the car on three wheels....at 70 mph! Having safely recovered and stopped, the car was towed to the nearest garage where I was informed that all four lug studs had sheared off at the brake drum. Someone up there likes me! Many years later, I had the privilege of meeting Donald Healy. I recounted my story to Donald and noted that the garage could not understand why Austin Healy used soft steel for the lug studs. Donald gave me a long look and replied, "We were having a lot of trouble with fellows using the car in hill trials who broke the half shaft and claimed warranty." _Peter "Bang on your knock-offs"

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Lockrow" JayLock@localnet.com> To: "1939mgtb" 1939mgtb@comcast.net> Cc: "MERLIN GARAGES" ddarrell@btconnect.com>; "Graham Knight" graham.knight5@btinternet.com>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Nuts! > > > In this same area of wheel nuts my dad had a very good friend that ordered > a > 1963 Corvette from Generous Motors with aluminum knock off wheels. ALL > the > threads were right hand threads and he was continuously loosing wheels on > the > right side. After replacing several aluminum wheels at mucho bucks he > finally > went to the original bolt on wheels with hubcaps. No amount of talking > could > seem to convince Generous Motors that they had made a major mistake and > you had > to have a left hand thread on the right side of the car. I have no idea > whatever happened to the wheels taken off but i hope no one put them back > on a > car... > >

[Peter Roberts]

Donald, I do like your reference to Donald Healy's " alleged deliberate design parameter". I neglected to mention the twinkle in his eye. Those who knew Donald well have assured me that he was a man of great wit and an exceedingly dry humor. His response to my query should most definitely be taken as a classic example. Which still leaves me with the nagging question why they would use soft steel for the studs. Some bean counter shortcut? _Peter

----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Wilkinson" digitaldon@hotmail.com> To: redcigar1@bigpond.com>; mgtc@comcast.net> Cc: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Nuts! > > Hey Reddo: > > Jay Lockrow is a local cat (from the Abnormal T's, a western NY State USA > group), and thus raised here in the (formerly) unenlightened colony where > steel wheels were fastened to flat head Fords, (& everything else), by > means > of threaded studs fastened to the brake drums and secured by "lug" nuts, > ala > MG TD (YUK!). What digitaldon finds rather fascinating is the reference > Peter makes to an alleged deliberate design parameter of Donald Healy's, > to > have the "lug studs" perform a function similar to shear pins in an > outboard > (marine) motor, hardly a fail-safe scheme for auto wheels. Presumably one > would prefer the axle shaft to fail rather than have the wheel go totally > adrift. Thus the wheel would be retained in place, at least on three > quarter floating axles, such as those on TC's. > > Don > TC 7993 > > G'day Pete, > > Unusually dim today... (dawn service)... but please explain in English > what in hell's name is a 'lug stud'???? > (Please type slowly) > > Reddo (confused again > > -----Original Message----- > From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Peter Roberts > Sent: Sunday, 24 April 2005 12:18 AM > To: jaylock@localnet.com; 1939mgtb > Cc: MERLIN GARAGES; Graham Knight; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Nuts! > > > Since we are into war stories about wheels falling off. > > Many years ago, whilst traveling at speed on the Interstate, I noticed > that > the fellow behind me had lost a wheel which went bounding ahead of me > into > the ditch. Concerned, I looked in the rearview to see what happened to > him. > You can imagine my astonishment to discover that there was no one behind > me! > > I was driving an early Austin Healy. I had lost the right rear wheel. > My > weight was just right to balance the car on three wheels....at 70 mph! > Having safely recovered and stopped, the car was towed to the nearest > garage > where I was informed that all four lug studs had sheared off at the > brake > drum. Someone up there likes me! > > Many years later, I had the privilege of meeting Donald Healy. I > recounted > my story to Donald and noted that the garage could not understand why > Austin > Healy used soft steel for the lug studs. Donald gave me a long look and > > replied, "We were having a lot of trouble with fellows using the car > in > hill > trials who broke the half shaft and claimed warranty." > > _Peter > > "Bang on your knock-offs" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jay Lockrow" JayLock@localnet.com> > To: "1939mgtb" 1939mgtb@comcast.net> > Cc: "MERLIN GARAGES" ddarrell@btconnect.com>; > "Graham > Knight" > graham.knight5@btinternet.com>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 9:50 AM > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Nuts! > > > > > > > > In this same area of wheel nuts my dad had a very good friend that > ordered > > a > > 1963 Corvette from Generous Motors with aluminum knock off wheels. > ALL > > the > > threads were right hand threads and he was continuously loosing > wheels > on > > the > > right side. After replacing several aluminum wheels at mucho bucks he > > finally > > went to the original bolt on wheels with hubcaps. No amount of > talking > > could > > seem to convince Generous Motors that they had made a major mistake > and > > you had > > to have a left hand thread on the right side of the car. I have no > idea > > whatever happened to the wheels taken off but i hope no one put them > back > > on a > > car... > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[Joe Gates]

JR asks ... please explain in English what in hell's name is a 'lug stud'???? Methinks it could be a portable toyboy carried round in a travelling lady's valise. Joe PS - Okay, I am being sexist so apologies to those who are offended!

[1939mgtb]

In a more organic time, a lug was a ear-like projection used to hang something. Such as the lugs on a iron kettle. I suppose a stud projecting from hub could be used to hang a wheel and the lug-nut would fit over it.... Best regards, Ray "There are no easy answers in this case m'lud."

----- Original Message ----- From: "FrankGraham" frankgraham@msn.com> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Nuts! > > Reddo, > In US-speak a bolt on wheel is retained by 'lug' nuts which thread on to > the > studs projecting from the brake drum. As the lug nut threads onto the > stud, > the studs are sometimes referred to as 'lug' studs. Does Pete's story now > make sense? I don't know the origin of the word 'lug' when used this way. > -- > Frank > < frankgraham@msn.com > > ______________________ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Redman" redcigar1@bigpond.com> > To: "'Peter Roberts'" mgtc@comcast.net> > Cc: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 5:35 AM > Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Nuts! > > >> >> G'day Pete, >> >> Unusually dim today... (dawn service)... but please explain in English >> what in hell's name is a 'lug stud'???? >> (Please type slowly) >> >> Reddo (confused again > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >