Radiator Slats

[David & Joyce Edgar]

Peter, It is not my TC, but Joe Douglas's TC that is in the hands of the original owner. He bought it in December of 1949. There are a couple photos of that TC on the Motoring Guild web site at: http://www.tcmotoringguild.org/ Look on the Calendar page under Lame Duk Kite Fly (January). They are not detailed pictures though. One picture is repeated in the gallery page by his name. Joe lives about 3 hours from me but when I get a chance maybe I will take some detailed pics to preserve for future reference and will surely post them. David Edgar, TC 5108 El Cajon, California At 9:59 AM +0200 10/21/02, Forstner, Peter wrote:

>David, >I would be interested in photos of your car. It's extremely seldom >to see photos of a TC that's still in the hands of the first owner. >Are there any on the web? I couldn't find photos on >http://www.mg-tabc.org/>http://www.mg-tabc.org/. You also can send >them to me through e-mail > >Thanks >Peter Forstner > >-----Original Message----- >From: David & Joyce Edgar >[djedgar@pacbell.net>mailto:djedgar@pacbell.net] >Sent: Saturday, 19 October, 2002 18:01 >To: T-ABC list >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] RADIATOR SLATS > > >Joe Douglas did indeed buy his 1949 TC new and his slats are the blue >body color and not interior biscuit color. He still has the original >paint on it (except where he has polished through to metal) . We >have a Motoring Guild meeting this Tuesday and will ask him about it >then. He has no email. > >David Edgar, TC 5108 >El Cajon, California

[jerrybirkbeck@aol.com]

My tongue in cheek comments about radiator slats certainly got `pen to paper'. Do people really have so much time available to waste/witter on about the `originality' of such matters? Surely, it is at the end of the day up to an individual how he/she wishes to restore their car. Perhaps the most sensible solution is that the car looks right for the period and/or [?] is fitted with the most appropriate features for modern use [assuming that it is the intention to drive them as often as possible]. `Modern use' would I contend include fitting direction flashers [which export TC's were fitted with - to the US market only?] with a suitable conversion to the sidelights and maybe an additional brake light behind the spare wheel. Though it could include a VW/Datsun steering box. I doubt if there any original T Types in existence - with everything as fitted in the factory - tyres, brake shoes etc - though no doubt someone will prove me wrong. There you are I have wittered on long enough, probably upset half the readers of these e-mails and am damned to condemnation! My message is simple use them, drive them and have then as you want - `original' or not! All the best Jerry Birkbeck ps I wonder if this will generate any correspondence eh!?

[Dave Osborn]

Jerry Birkbeck wrote: "I doubt if there any original T Types in existence - with everything as fitted in the factory - tyres, brake shoes etc - though no doubt someone will prove me wrong." Jerry et all; My contention is that even if you found an original T-type, who's to say that the one before or after it on the production line was made to the same conventions? The argument is mute. Besides, the restoration and driving enjoyment are being postponed! Dave Osborn TC 10217 Blue TC w/ blue grill slats just 'cuz I think it looks better than tan! TD 6551 Red TD w/ black grill slats - don't remember why it was so long ago.

[Ray]

My TD with 129 total original miles is equipped with a puce set of slats. The interior is the original bright white suede with sequins that Elvis equipped it with from the factory. Do you think the purple/black silk carpeting is original, too? Or a dealer add-on? Why would anyone remove a perfectly good puce leatherette interior is beyond me. Best, Ray [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[i.thomson@talk21.com]

I agree wholeheartedly Jerry. How can people be so excercised by originality - and this surely includes the criticism of others who are so excercised. As you so rightly say "Surely, it is at the end of the day up to an individual how he/she wishes to restore their car". I am sure therefore that you will agree with me that even those who are insistent on total originality are entitled to their opinions; and to use this list to pursue them. Ian Thomson ------------

> My tongue in cheek comments about radiator slats certainly got `pen to >paper'. >Do people really have so much time available to waste/witter on about the >`originality' of such matters? > >Surely, it is at the end of the day up to an individual how he/she wishes to >restore their car. Perhaps the most sensible solution is that the car looks >right for the period and/or [?] is fitted with the most appropriate features >for modern use [assuming that it is the intention to drive them as often as >possible]. `Modern use' would I contend include fitting direction flashers >[which export TC's were fitted with - to the US market only?] with a suitable >conversion to the sidelights and maybe an additional brake light behind the >spare wheel. Though it could include a VW/Datsun steering box. > >I doubt if there any original T Types in existence - with everything as >fitted in the factory - tyres, brake shoes etc - though no doubt someone will >prove me wrong. > >There you are I have wittered on long enough, probably upset half the readers >of these e-mails and am damned to condemnation! My message is simple use >them, drive them and have then as you want - `original' or not! > >All the best > >Jerry Birkbeck > >ps I wonder if this will generate any correspondence eh!? > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://talk21.btopenworld.com/redirect.html?http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/'>[url=http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>

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[tonygoodall]

> Maybe to jazz it up a bit. > > Tony > TC9825 > >> From: Ray Spook01@comcast.net> >> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:18:14 -0500 >> To: mgtabc mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >> Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] RADIATOR SLATS >> >> My TD with 129 total original miles is equipped with a puce set of slats. >> The interior is the original bright white suede with sequins that Elvis >> equipped it with from the factory. >> Do you think the purple/black silk carpeting is original, too? Or a dealer >> add-on? Why would anyone remove a perfectly good puce leatherette interior >> is >> beyond me. >> Best, >> Ray >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >>

[Bill Hentzen]

-----Original Message----- From: Jorolibb@aol.com [mailto:Jorolibb@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 5:21 PM To: bill@rangelinemews.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Radiator Slats Bill, Going thru some old e-mails I came across this one and remembered why I had saved it. Have you done any paint matching for the red colored radiator slats that would have been on a '47 TC? I plan on having a black car with red interior and red slats. Best regards, John Libbert TC 2138 G'day John! I work for an industrial paint coatings manufacturer, which enables me to match any color with our color computers,even drapes and lipstick, so any color can be color matched in any type paint coating. Our lab has been most gracious to help me on my MG paint problems, as our production is sold in 5s, drums and tote tanks. My suggestion would be to take a piece of the fabric to the auto paint supplier and using his color books, find a color that meets your approval. Then you can select the paint type, air dry, 2 part urethane etc. The only red I have matched is the red standard for a TC engine, that I got from Mike Sherrell. He had also sent me the color chip for the Clipper Blue that we used on TC 6391. Be glad to send you a chip of that red if you would give me your address. Have followed the thread on the color of the slats on the the site-my two almond green t types-tan interior, the Tickford -grey metallic with red interior, and the Clipper blue TC- tan interior, have slats done in body color. I like it. In addition to liquid coatings, we also formulate and manufacture powder coatings. As I have a choice, I always use liquid 2 part urethane finish coats over a 2 part epoxy primer. There is no powder coating that has the color and gloss retention, chemical resistance and flexibility to match a quality urethane system. The klutz that often works on my cars drops wrenches and toughness is rather important. There is no way you can get the electrostatic applied powder into the box sections of a blasted frame. With liquid, an extension nozzle will allow you to reach the recesses. Sorry to run off, but let me know if I can be of any help! Cheers! Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Odd Knudsen]

Hello Listers: Some days ago I decided to remove the black paint from the radiator slats of TC 1087. I wanted to paint them the in the same color as the interior, as they should be. When the paint was removed, I found that the slats were originally chrome. The rivets and washers were not chromed, the frame and slats were probably chromed individually and then assembled. Could this be a part from another MG? Did TDs have chrome radiator slats? The radiator shell is not TD... None of the living POs can answer this question. Cheers, Odd in Trondheim, Norway TC EXR/K 1087 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Ian Linton]

Hello Odd, My TA slats must be original as they are so corroded, and no longer of any use. There was no sign of chroming. If you buy new from Moss they are chromed. I would suggest yours have been replaced in the past. The TA originals have a nice aerofoil curve along the flatter section, but the Moss replacements that I bought are just flat. Best regards, Ian Linton TA3120 East Sussex, UK

----- Original Message ----- From: Odd Knudsen To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Cc: Odd Knudsen Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:38 AM Subject: [mg-tabc] Radiator slats Hello Listers: Some days ago I decided to remove the black paint from the radiator slats of TC 1087. I wanted to paint them the in the same color as the interior, as they should be. When the paint was removed, I found that the slats were originally chrome. The rivets and washers were not chromed, the frame and slats were probably chromed individually and then assembled. Could this be a part from another MG? Did TDs have chrome radiator slats? The radiator shell is not TD... None of the living POs can answer this question. Cheers, Odd in Trondheim, Norway TC EXR/K 1087 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Odd Knudsen]

Hello Listers: Forgot to say that the radiator slats are curved and different from the new replacements. And the PO can say for sure they have been on the car since 1960. I have a photo taken in 1962 that shows the car with the chrome radiator slats. Cheers, Odd in Trondheim, Norway TC EXR/K 1087 From: Ian Linton [mailto:tabc@talktalk.net] Sent: 5. august 2009 12:23 To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com; Odd Knudsen Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Radiator slats Hello Odd, My TA slats must be original as they are so corroded, and no longer of any use. There was no sign of chroming. If you buy new from Moss they are chromed. I would suggest yours have been replaced in the past. The TA originals have a nice aerofoil curve along the flatter section, but the Moss replacements that I bought are just flat. Best regards, Ian Linton TA3120 East Sussex, UK

----- Original Message ----- From: Odd Knudsenoddk@iot.ntnu.no> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.commg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Odd Knudsenoddk@iot.ntnu.no> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:38 AM Subject: [mg-tabc] Radiator slats Hello Listers: Some days ago I decided to remove the black paint from the radiator slats of TC 1087. I wanted to paint them the in the same color as the interior, as they should be. When the paint was removed, I found that the slats were originally chrome. The rivets and washers were not chromed, the frame and slats were probably chromed individually and then assembled. Could this be a part from another MG? Did TDs have chrome radiator slats? The radiator shell is not TD... None of the living POs can answer this question. Cheers, Odd in Trondheim, Norway TC EXR/K 1087 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]