State of the auto industry in the U.K.

[David Lodge]

Hello Peter, Didn't they have an American engine? The badge was a tortoise I remember. Regards, David Lodge ----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- From: "Peter Ross" boltonmg@comcast.net> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com,"MERLIN GARAGES" ddarrell@btconnect.com> Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] State of the auto industry in the Date: 13.4.2005 - 4:41:59

> > To befit his position, Charles, Prince of Wales also > owned, at one time, a > Gilbern, which is the best known complete car ever made > in Wales. Moreover, > I think the Gilbern had an MGA drive train. > > Peter Ross, > TC 8892 > Bolton, Massachusetts > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MERLIN GARAGES" ddarrell@btconnect.com> > To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 7:06 PM > Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] State of the auto industry in > the U.K. > > > > > > > > Prince Charles first car was an MGC GT and the Royal > > family use British > > cars to a great extent. I believe his personal car is > > a Bentley and a > > couple of Aston Martins. > > The Queen has a Bentley as an official car. > > Presumably the Audi was > > bought to try to fool the press. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Richard Fritz [mailto:RBFritz@comcast.net] > > Sent: 11 April 2005 22:50 > > To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [mg-tabc] State of the auto industry in the > > U.K. > > > > > > Last week we learned that MG-Rover had gone into > > bankruptcy, or > > "administration". Today the Associated Press > > reported that Prince > > Charles and his bride drove to church services in > > Scotland where they > > are on their honeymoon. Charles was driving an Audi. > > > > How's that for poor timing. > > > > Richard Fritz, TC6649, Colorado USA > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

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[MERLIN GARAGES]

The Gilbern was made in Wales with a Dragon on the badge. Early cars had a MGA engine box and back axle Later cars had MGB engine box and back axle Last cars had Ford engine and box and I think an MGC back axle The MGC used Girling Ford Granada brake components was this a bitsa? There is a good Gilbern owners website if anyone wants further details I think the Tortoise was the badge of the Gordon Keeble made in Eastleigh near Southampton. While we are on the British auto industry and who cares I would like to point out that the Midlands Car Industry and most of the older relations of the people who are now looking for jobs set up the car industries in most of the world. Even in Australia where there was a BMC plant. Datsun and BMW made Austin 7 cars under licence and most of the British manufacturers sold old designs on to less developed countries the list goes on. Today most of Formula 1 cars and the USA Indy 500 etc cars are still made in the UK and all due to the heritage and skills of the generations of workers at Austin, Morris, Riley, Wolseley, Standard, Triumph, Sunbeam, Hillman, Talbot MG etc etc . Generations of knowledge has and is now being wiped away. The only hope is that the small MG part of the company not the badge engineered Rovers will be sold to some company who values this. I dislike the looks of the MGSV but there is a little hope there. David Darrell TA 0455 -----Original Message----- From: David Lodge [mailto:archie_ponsonby@post.cz] Sent: 14 April 2005 04:50 To: boltonmg@comcast.net; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com; ddarrell@btconnect.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] State of the auto industry in the U.K. Hello Peter, Didn't they have an American engine? The badge was a tortoise I remember. Regards, David Lodge ----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- From: "Peter Ross" boltonmg@comcast.net> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com,"MERLIN GARAGES" ddarrell@btconnect.com> Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] State of the auto industry in the Date: 13.4.2005 - 4:41:59

> > To befit his position, Charles, Prince of Wales also > owned, at one time, a > Gilbern, which is the best known complete car ever made > in Wales. Moreover, > I think the Gilbern had an MGA drive train. >

[Charles Hill]

David, I think Ray knows I was referring to Morgan as he just saw me last month in New Orleans in my Morgan. Charles Hill David Lodge wrote:

>Hello Ray, > >I think Charles means Morgan. Or perhaps Riley! > >Regards, David Lodge > > > > >----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- >From: "1939mgtb" 1939mgtb@comcast.net> >To: "Charles Hill" candahill@worldnet.att.net> >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: State of the auto industry in >Date: 12.4.2005 - 7:19:00 > > > >>But where can one find a Lanchester dealer? >>Best regards, >>Ray >>"There are no easy answers in this case m'lud." >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Charles Hill" candahill@worldnet.att.net> >>Cc: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >>Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:14 AM >>Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: State of the auto industry >>in the U.K. >> >> >> >> >>>There is one British automobile company that was >>>founded long before MG >>>and is still going. >>> >>>Charles Hill >>> >>> >>> > >

[1939mgtb]

Come to think of it, Charles DOES drive his Morgan!! Best regards, Ray "There are no easy answers in this case m'lud."

----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Hill" candahill@worldnet.att.net> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: State of the auto industry in the U.K. > > David, > > I think Ray knows I was referring to Morgan as he just saw me last month > in New Orleans in my Morgan. > > Charles Hill > > David Lodge wrote: > >>Hello Ray, >> >>I think Charles means Morgan. Or perhaps Riley! >> >>Regards, David Lodge >> >> >> >> >>----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- >>From: "1939mgtb" 1939mgtb@comcast.net> >>To: "Charles Hill" candahill@worldnet.att.net> >>Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: State of the auto industry in >>Date: 12.4.2005 - 7:19:00 >> >> >> >>>But where can one find a Lanchester dealer? >>>Best regards, >>>Ray >>>"There are no easy answers in this case m'lud." >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Charles Hill" candahill@worldnet.att.net> >>>Cc: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >>>Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:14 AM >>>Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: State of the auto industry >>>in the U.K. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>There is one British automobile company that was >>>>founded long before MG >>>>and is still going. >>>> >>>>Charles Hill >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[1939mgtb]

Chevy engine, I think Best regards, Ray "There are no easy answers in this case m'lud."

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lodge" archie_ponsonby@post.cz> To: boltonmg@comcast.net>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>; ddarrell@btconnect.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] State of the auto industry in the U.K. Hello Peter, Didn't they have an American engine? The badge was a tortoise I remember. Regards, David Lodge ----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- From: "Peter Ross" boltonmg@comcast.net> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com,"MERLIN GARAGES" ddarrell@btconnect.com> Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] State of the auto industry in the Date: 13.4.2005 - 4:41:59 > > To befit his position, Charles, Prince of Wales also > owned, at one time, a > Gilbern, which is the best known complete car ever made > in Wales. Moreover, > I think the Gilbern had an MGA drive train. > > Peter Ross, > TC 8892 > Bolton, Massachusetts > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MERLIN GARAGES" ddarrell@btconnect.com> > To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 7:06 PM > Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] State of the auto industry in > the U.K. > > > > > > > > Prince Charles first car was an MGC GT and the Royal > > family use British > > cars to a great extent. I believe his personal car is > > a Bentley and a > > couple of Aston Martins. > > The Queen has a Bentley as an official car. > > Presumably the Audi was > > bought to try to fool the press. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Richard Fritz [mailto:RBFritz@comcast.net] > > Sent: 11 April 2005 22:50 > > To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [mg-tabc] State of the auto industry in the > > U.K. > > > > > > Last week we learned that MG-Rover had gone into > > bankruptcy, or > > "administration". Today the Associated Press > > reported that Prince > > Charles and his bride drove to church services in > > Scotland where they > > are on their honeymoon. Charles was driving an Audi. > > > > How's that for poor timing. > > > > Richard Fritz, TC6649, Colorado USA > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > -- Ochrana proti p esm rov n na drah linky. Ji dn vysok ty! VOLN internet alarm - je t bezpe n j surfov n ! Sta en i pou v n je ZDARMA na http://alarm.volny.cz Yahoo! Groups Links

[1939mgtb]

Just ribbing!! And he has a nice car! Best regards, Ray "There are no easy answers in this case m'lud."

----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Hill" candahill@worldnet.att.net> To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: State of the auto industry in the U.K. > > David, > > I think Ray knows I was referring to Morgan as he just saw me last month > in New Orleans in my Morgan. > > Charles Hill > > David Lodge wrote: > >>Hello Ray, >> >>I think Charles means Morgan. Or perhaps Riley! >> >>Regards, David Lodge >> >> >> >> >>----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- >>From: "1939mgtb" 1939mgtb@comcast.net> >>To: "Charles Hill" candahill@worldnet.att.net> >>Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: State of the auto industry in >>Date: 12.4.2005 - 7:19:00 >> >> >> >>>But where can one find a Lanchester dealer? >>>Best regards, >>>Ray >>>"There are no easy answers in this case m'lud." >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Charles Hill" candahill@worldnet.att.net> >>>Cc: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >>>Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:14 AM >>>Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: State of the auto industry >>>in the U.K. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>There is one British automobile company that was >>>>founded long before MG >>>>and is still going. >>>> >>>>Charles Hill >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[Charles Hill]

And I DROVE it there! Charles Hill 1939mgtb wrote:

> Just ribbing!! And he has a nice car! > Best regards, > Ray > "There are no easy answers in this case m'lud." > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Hill" > candahill@worldnet.att.net> > To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:02 AM > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: State of the auto industry in the U.K. > > >> >> David, >> >> I think Ray knows I was referring to Morgan as he just saw me last >> month in New Orleans in my Morgan. >> Charles Hill >> >> David Lodge wrote: >> >>> Hello Ray, >>> >>> I think Charles means Morgan. Or perhaps Riley! >>> >>> Regards, David Lodge >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- >>> From: "1939mgtb" 1939mgtb@comcast.net> >>> To: "Charles Hill" candahill@worldnet.att.net> >>> Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: State of the auto industry in >>> Date: 12.4.2005 - 7:19:00 >>> >>> >>> >>>> But where can one find a Lanchester dealer? >>>> Best regards, >>>> Ray >>>> "There are no easy answers in this case m'lud." >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Hill" >>>> candahill@worldnet.att.net> >>>> Cc: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:14 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: State of the auto industry >>>> in the U.K. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> There is one British automobile company that was >>>>> founded long before MG and is still going. >>>>> Charles Hill >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

[David Lodge]

Or am I thinking of a Gordon-Keeble? Come on! It was forty years ago, after all! And they do both start with a "G"! Best, David lodge ----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- From: "1939mgtb" 1939mgtb@comcast.net> To: boltonmg@comcast.net,mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com,ddarrell@btconnect.com,"David Lodge" archie_ponsonby@post.cz> Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] State of the auto industry in the Date: 16.4.2005 - 23:35:09

> > Chevy engine, I think > Best regards, > Ray > "There are no easy answers in this case m'lud." > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Lodge" archie_ponsonby@post.cz> > To: boltonmg@comcast.net>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>; > ddarrell@btconnect.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:50 PM > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] State of the auto industry in > the U.K. > > > > Hello Peter, > > Didn't they have an American engine? The badge was a > tortoise I > remember. > > Regards, David Lodge > > > ----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- > From: "Peter Ross" boltonmg@comcast.net> > To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com,"MERLIN GARAGES" > ddarrell@btconnect.com> Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] State > of the auto > industry in the > Date: 13.4.2005 - 4:41:59 > > > > > To befit his position, Charles, Prince of Wales also > > owned, at one time, a > > Gilbern, which is the best known complete car ever > > made > > in Wales. Moreover, > > I think the Gilbern had an MGA drive train. > > > > Peter Ross, > > TC 8892 > > Bolton, Massachusetts > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "MERLIN GARAGES" ddarrell@btconnect.com> > > To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 7:06 PM > > Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] State of the auto industry in > > the U.K. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prince Charles first car was an MGC GT and the > > > Royal > > > family use British > > > cars to a great extent. I believe his personal car > > > is > > > a Bentley and a > > > couple of Aston Martins. > > > The Queen has a Bentley as an official car. > > > Presumably the Audi was > > > bought to try to fool the press. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Richard Fritz [mailto:RBFritz@comcast.net] > > > Sent: 11 April 2005 22:50 > > > To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [mg-tabc] State of the auto industry in > > > the > > > U.K. > > > > > > > > > Last week we learned that MG-Rover had gone into > > > bankruptcy, or > > > "administration". Today the Associated Press > > > reported that Prince > > > Charles and his bride drove to church services in > > > Scotland where they > > > are on their honeymoon. Charles was driving an > > > Audi. > > > > > > How's that for poor timing. > > > > > > Richard Fritz, TC6649, Colorado USA > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ochrana proti pr esme rov n na drah linky. Jiz z dn > vysok c ty! > VOLNY internet alarm - jes te bezpec ne js surfov n ! > Staz en i pouz v n je ZDARMA na http://alarm.volny.cz > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

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[Roger Furneaux]

Aubrey is right, virtually all the problems with British industry have been caused by management: all those striking workers in the past had not created the conditions they were forced to work under, they were only reacting to them... Contrast Abingdon, which had the best industrial relations in the whole of Britain (never ONE strike!) and despite the archaic production lines, actually had the BEST productivity!!! There is a classic photo in one of the books ("Insomnia Crew"?) showing a board chalked up with a league table of all the BMC factories, with Abingdon top. And it was all because of great labour relations, from the top down. Let us all hope, against hope, that a rescue package can be put together for M.G. - after all the ZR is (or rather was...) the best selling car in the whole MG-Rover range, due to the buying power of all those 20 & 30-somethings who want a hot-hatch. And they are, hopefully, the ones who will take over the guardianship of OUR cars one day! Happy Motoring TCRoger, Devon, Olde England (where, true to form, it is damp & drizzly - what happened to Spring?) "scooter19392003" rockdctr@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Too bad that UK engineering excellence has always >been overshadowed by abysmally poor management and even worse labour >relations and performance. Where are the modern day Bill Morris's or >Cecil Kimbers??

[Ian Linton]

Don't hold your breath for a rescue of MG. The hardtop on my Triumph Stag still sports a sticker saying "Save MG" which I put on the last time! Regards to all. Ian Linton TA 3120 ...oh, and the Stag