Master Cylinder Heat Shield

[Norman Verona]

Benny,

 

My original master cylinder was 66 years old and had stood in a damp garage for 48 years. The rust inside was minimal, only slight surface rust. The bore was corroded which is why I replaced it. The water that gets into brake fluid is absorbed into the fluid and will cause rust if allowed to build up. However changing the fluid every two years, which is a manufactures recommendation will stop the problem. Whilst the rubber components will withstand high temperatures, constant heat will cause the rubber to go hard earlier than it would otherwise do. The high temperatures are not constant unless it’s a race car.

 

I’d rather change the fluid every two years than rebuild master cylinders.

 

[b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b]

11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ

Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811

Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741

[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b]

 

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Norman

Consider the tradeoff -  rust in the main brake cylinder  or replacing the rubber parts every five years or more.

On the TC the main brake cylinder is the lowest part of the brake system. water will accumulate especially when the car is not driven  frequently.  

Brake system rubber will withstand 100 deg. C  . The original heat shield will protect the brake oil container from direct heat radiation.

Regards

Benny

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[Norman Verona]

Benny,

 

My original master cylinder was 66 years old and had stood in a damp garage for 48 years. The rust inside was minimal, only slight surface rust. The bore was corroded which is why I replaced it. The water that gets into brake fluid is absorbed into the fluid and will cause rust if allowed to build up. However changing the fluid every two years, which is a manufactures recommendation will stop the problem. Whilst the rubber components will withstand high temperatures, constant heat will cause the rubber to go hard earlier than it would otherwise do. The high temperatures are not constant unless it’s a race car.

 

I’d rather change the fluid every two years than rebuild master cylinders.

 

[b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b]

11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ

Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811

Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741

[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b]

 

[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Benny Grumer jaguarb@inter.net.il [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 10:02 [b]To:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield

 

 

Norman

Consider the tradeoff -  rust in the main brake cylinder  or replacing the rubber parts every five years or more.

On the TC the main brake cylinder is the lowest part of the brake system. water will accumulate especially when the car is not driven  frequently.  

Brake system rubber will withstand 100 deg. C  . The original heat shield will protect the brake oil container from direct heat radiation.

Regards

Benny

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[Andrea VILLA]

-------------------------------------------- Dom 13/8/17, 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> ha scritto: Oggetto: RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield A: "'Benny Grumer'" jaguarb@inter.net.il>, mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Data: Domenica 13 agosto 2017, 11: Benny, My original master cylinder was 66 years old and had stood in a damp garage for 48 years. The rust inside was minimal, only slight surface rust. The bore was corroded which is why I replaced it. The water that gets into brake fluid is absorbed into the fluid and will cause rust if allowed to build up. However changing the fluid every two years, which is a manufactures recommendation will stop the problem...................... The change of the brake oil every two years is a good idea In the same time is possible to turn to 5.1 DROP (that is compatible with 4 and 3 DROP Brake fluids) with more heat resistance (over300 Celsius) increasing the TC performance on the hard and long downhill

[Usaj24@earthlink.net]

Clive,Good advice. For years the US military bought into silicone brake fluid on grounds that it didn't absorb water. At some time wiser heads prevailed when it became apparent costs of R & R rusted systems vastly exceeded cost of changing glycol fluid on 3k schedule or when test strips showed "X" degree of water contamination.  BillTC 4926Odessa, Fl. Sent from my iPad

On Aug 13, 2017, at 5:07 AM, 'Clive P Sherriff' csherriff99@gmail.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  Benny,   Traditional brake fluid is designed to absorb any water entering the master cylinder in normal conditions, and providing correct maintenance of changing the brake fluid every 2 or 3 years is carried out there should be no problem.   Silicone fluid does not absorb water, so this can be, and is,  a problem if you use that fluid in our open to the air systems (Silicone fluid was designed to be used in totally enclosed systems).    On top of the rust, any water in a silicone system will freeze solid if it's cold enough in winter.   If the master cylinder gets hot enough to evaporate anything, the the rubber seals will be damaged and ultimately, if not immediately, fail.   So Keep the Master cylinder shielded form the exhaust.   Clive m mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm     ----- Original Message ----- [b]From:[/b] jaguarb@inter.net.il [mg-tabc] [b]To:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, August 13, 2017 7:03 AM [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield   The rust will accumulate on the inside of the brake reservoir due to water entering the reservoir. Heating the brake oil will evaporate the water .

Putting an heat shield on the reservoir is not a good idea. The original heat shield allowed some heat from the exhaust muffler to reach the oil container ..

The original shield should be kept.

Regard

Benny

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[Bill Hyatt]

Norman,

 

Test strips are available to determine amount of water contamination, so a decision can be made as to when to flush fluid. Phoenix also offers strips to identify type of fluid in system and strips to test for copper contamination from copper leaching out of  copper infused brake lines. http://www.brakebleeder.com/products/brake-fluid-testing/brake-fluid-corrosion-report-card/, and http://www.brakebleeder.com/product-category/brake-fluid-testing/

 

 

Bill

TC 4926

Odessa, Fl

 

[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:42 AM [b]To:[/b] 'Benny Grumer'; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield

 

 

Benny,

 

My original master cylinder was 66 years old and had stood in a damp garage for 48 years. The rust inside was minimal, only slight surface rust. The bore was corroded which is why I replaced it. The water that gets into brake fluid is absorbed into the fluid and will cause rust if allowed to build up. However changing the fluid every two years, which is a manufactures recommendation will stop the problem. Whilst the rubber components will withstand high temperatures, constant heat will cause the rubber to go hard earlier than it would otherwise do. The high temperatures are not constant unless it’s a race car.

 

I’d rather change the fluid every two years than rebuild master cylinders.

 

[b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b]

11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ

Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811

Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741

[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b]

 

[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Benny Grumer jaguarb@inter.net.il [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 10:02 [b]To:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield

 

 

Norman

Consider the tradeoff -  rust in the main brake cylinder  or replacing the rubber parts every five years or more.

On the TC the main brake cylinder is the lowest part of the brake system. water will accumulate especially when the car is not driven  frequently.  

Brake system rubber will withstand 100 deg. C  . The original heat shield will protect the brake oil container from direct heat radiation.

Regards

Benny

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[dandmgman]

The bottom side of Ol' 5122's floorboards are skinned with a thin sheet of Aluminum. Purpose to prevent the floorboards from soaking up oil and becoming fuel, but in addition to being easy to keep clean, it reflects much of the heat from the exhaust pipe. I haven't found a downside yet, but won't be surprised if someone of this group will show me at least one. Dan Harmer '48 TC # 5122 San Diego, California -----Original Message----- From: Benny Grumer jaguarb@inter.net.il [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> To: mg-tabc mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat, Aug 12, 2017 11:10 pm Subject: [mg-tabc] Re: Master Cylinder Heat Shield   Friend, I strongly recommend adding an isolations board above the muffler attached to the floor board. read the book "floor board on fire" It will deep you cool .and prevent caching fire on old floor boards.. 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[Norman Verona]

Bill,

 

When I used to do seminars for dealers on how to run profitable workshops one of my points was “how many of you sell the changing of brake fluids every two years” It’s a manufacturers recommendation but very few garages do it. They do however complain they can’t get enough work nowadays with cars needing a service once a year,

 

 

[b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b]

11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ

Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811

Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741

[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b]

 

[b]From:[/b] Bill Hyatt [mailto:usaj24@earthlink.net] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 17:17 [b]To:[/b] 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com>; 'TABC-Group' mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield

 

Norman,

 

Test strips are available to determine amount of water contamination, so a decision can be made as to when to flush fluid. Phoenix also offers strips to identify type of fluid in system and strips to test for copper contamination from copper leaching out of  copper infused brake lines. http://www.brakebleeder.com/products/brake-fluid-testing/brake-fluid-corrosion-report-card/, and http://www.brakebleeder.com/product-category/brake-fluid-testing/

 

 

Bill

TC 4926

Odessa, Fl

 

[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:42 AM [b]To:[/b] 'Benny Grumer'; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield

 

 

Benny,

 

My original master cylinder was 66 years old and had stood in a damp garage for 48 years. The rust inside was minimal, only slight surface rust. The bore was corroded which is why I replaced it. The water that gets into brake fluid is absorbed into the fluid and will cause rust if allowed to build up. However changing the fluid every two years, which is a manufactures recommendation will stop the problem. Whilst the rubber components will withstand high temperatures, constant heat will cause the rubber to go hard earlier than it would otherwise do. The high temperatures are not constant unless it’s a race car.

 

I’d rather change the fluid every two years than rebuild master cylinders.

 

[b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b]

11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ

Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811

Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741

[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b]

 

[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Benny Grumer jaguarb@inter.net.il [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 10:02 [b]To:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield

 

 

Norman

Consider the tradeoff -  rust in the main brake cylinder  or replacing the rubber parts every five years or more.

On the TC the main brake cylinder is the lowest part of the brake system. water will accumulate especially when the car is not driven  frequently.  

Brake system rubber will withstand 100 deg. C  . The original heat shield will protect the brake oil container from direct heat radiation.

Regards

Benny

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Bill,

 

When I used to do seminars for dealers on how to run profitable workshops one of my points was “how many of you sell the changing of brake fluids every two years” It’s a manufacturers recommendation but very few garages do it. They do however complain they can’t get enough work nowadays with cars needing a service once a year,

 

 

[b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b]

11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ

Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811

Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741

[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b]

 

[b]From:[/b] Bill Hyatt [mailto:usaj24@earthlink.net] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 17:17 [b]To:[/b] 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com>; 'TABC-Group' mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield

 

Norman,

 

Test strips are available to determine amount of water contamination, so a decision can be made as to when to flush fluid. Phoenix also offers strips to identify type of fluid in system and strips to test for copper contamination from copper leaching out of  copper infused brake lines. http://www.brakebleeder.com/products/brake-fluid-testing/brake-fluid-corrosion-report-card/, and http://www.brakebleeder.com/product-category/brake-fluid-testing/

 

 

Bill

TC 4926

Odessa, Fl

 

[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:42 AM [b]To:[/b] 'Benny Grumer'; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield

 

 

Benny,

 

My original master cylinder was 66 years old and had stood in a damp garage for 48 years. The rust inside was minimal, only slight surface rust. The bore was corroded which is why I replaced it. The water that gets into brake fluid is absorbed into the fluid and will cause rust if allowed to build up. However changing the fluid every two years, which is a manufactures recommendation will stop the problem. Whilst the rubber components will withstand high temperatures, constant heat will cause the rubber to go hard earlier than it would otherwise do. The high temperatures are not constant unless it’s a race car.

 

I’d rather change the fluid every two years than rebuild master cylinders.

 

[b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b]

11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ

Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811

Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741

[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b]

 

[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Benny Grumer jaguarb@inter.net.il [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 10:02 [b]To:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield

 

 

Norman

Consider the tradeoff -  rust in the main brake cylinder  or replacing the rubber parts every five years or more.

On the TC the main brake cylinder is the lowest part of the brake system. water will accumulate especially when the car is not driven  frequently.  

Brake system rubber will withstand 100 deg. C  . The original heat shield will protect the brake oil container from direct heat radiation.

Regards

Benny

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[John Kallend]

I am receiving multiple copies of Norman's posts. Anyone else? _____________________________John KallendProfessor EmeritusDepartment of Mechanical, Materials and Aerospace EngineeringDepartment of PhysicsIIT, Chicago

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 12:03 PM, 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: [u][/u] Bill,[u][/u][u][/u]

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When I used to do seminars for dealers on how to run profitable workshops one of my points was how many of you sell the changing of brake fluids every two years It s a manufacturers recommendation but very few garages do it. They do however complain they can t get enough work nowadays with cars needing a service once a year,[u][/u][u][/u]

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[b][i]Norman Verona[u][/u][u][/u][/i][/b]

11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ[u][/u][u][/u]

Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811[u][/u][u][/u]

Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741[u][/u][u][/u]

[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[u][/u][u][/u][/i][/b]

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[b]From:[/b] Bill Hyatt [mailto:usaj24@earthlink.net] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 17:17 [b]To:[/b] 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com>; 'TABC-Group' mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield[u][/u][u][/u]

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Norman,[u][/u][u][/u]

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Test strips are available to determine amount of water contamination, so a decision can be made as to when to flush fluid. Phoenix also offers strips to identify type of fluid in system and strips to test for copper contamination from copper leaching out of copper infused brake lines. http://www.brakebleeder.com/ products/brake-fluid-testing/ brake-fluid-corrosion-report- card/, and http://www.brakebleeder.com/ product-category/brake-fluid- testing/[u][/u][u][/u]

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Bill [u][/u][u][/u]

TC 4926[u][/u][u][/u]

Odessa, Fl[u][/u][u][/u]

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[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:42 AM [b]To:[/b] 'Benny Grumer'; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield[u][/u][u][/u]

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Benny,[u][/u][u][/u]

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My original master cylinder was 66 years old and had stood in a damp garage for 48 years. The rust inside was minimal, only slight surface rust. The bore was corroded which is why I replaced it. The water that gets into brake fluid is absorbed into the fluid and will cause rust if allowed to build up. However changing the fluid every two years, which is a manufactures recommendation will stop the problem. Whilst the rubber components will withstand high temperatures, constant heat will cause the rubber to go hard earlier than it would otherwise do. The high temperatures are not constant unless it s a race car.[u][/u][u][/u]

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I d rather change the fluid every two years than rebuild master cylinders.[u][/u][u][/u]

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[b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b][u][/u][u][/u]

11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ[u][/u][u][/u]

Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811[u][/u][u][/u]

Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741[u][/u][u][/u]

[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b][u][/u][u][/u]

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[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Benny Grumer jaguarb@inter.net.il [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 10:02 [b]To:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield[u][/u][u][/u]

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Norman[u][/u][u][/u]

Consider the tradeoff - rust in the main brake cylinder or replacing the rubber parts every five years or more. [u][/u][u][/u]

On the TC the main brake cylinder is the lowest part of the brake system. water will accumulate especially when the car is not driven frequently. [u][/u][u][/u]

Brake system rubber will withstand 100 deg. C . The original heat shield will protect the brake oil container from direct heat radiation. [u][/u][u][/u]

Regards[u][/u][u][/u]

Benny[u][/u][u][/u]

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[Tweed]

Yes, sometimes as many as three.  Tweed. [b]From:[/b] "John Kallend kallend@iit.edu [mg-tabc]" mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> [b]To:[/b] Norman Verona norman@frenchblat.com> [b]Cc:[/b] usaj24@earthlink.net; TABC-Group mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, 13 August 2017, 18:35 [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield   I am receiving multiple copies of Norman's posts.  Anyone else? _____________________________John KallendProfessor EmeritusDepartment of Mechanical, Materials and Aerospace EngineeringDepartment of PhysicsIIT, Chicago

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 12:03 PM, 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: [u][/u]   Bill,[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u]When I used to do seminars for dealers on how to run profitable workshops one of my points was how many of you sell the changing of brake fluids every two years It s a manufacturers recommendation but very few garages do it. They do however complain they can t get enough work nowadays with cars needing a service once a year,[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][b][i]Norman Verona[u][/u][u][/u][/i][/b]11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ[u][/u][u][/u]Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811[u][/u][u][/u]Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741[u][/u][u][/u][b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[u][/u][u][/u][/i][/b][u][/u] [u][/u][b]From:[/b] Bill Hyatt [mailto:usaj24@earthlink.net] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 17:17 [b]To:[/b] 'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com>; 'TABC-Group' mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u]Norman,[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u]Test strips are available to determine amount of water contamination, so a decision can be made as to when to flush fluid. Phoenix also offers strips to identify type of fluid in system and strips to test for copper contamination from copper leaching out of  copper infused brake lines. http://www.brakebleeder.com/ products/brake-fluid-testing/ brake-fluid-corrosion-report- card/, and http://www.brakebleeder.com/ product-category/brake-fluid- testing/[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u]Bill [u][/u][u][/u]TC 4926[u][/u][u][/u]Odessa, Fl[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:42 AM [b]To:[/b] 'Benny Grumer'; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u]  [u][/u][u][/u]Benny,[u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u]My original master cylinder was 66 years old and had stood in a damp garage for 48 years. The rust inside was minimal, only slight surface rust. The bore was corroded which is why I replaced it. The water that gets into brake fluid is absorbed into the fluid and will cause rust if allowed to build up. However changing the fluid every two years, which is a manufactures recommendation will stop the problem. Whilst the rubber components will withstand high temperatures, constant heat will cause the rubber to go hard earlier than it would otherwise do. The high temperatures are not constant unless it s a race car.[u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u]I d rather change the fluid every two years than rebuild master cylinders.[u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u][b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b][u][/u][u][/u]11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ[u][/u][u][/u]Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811[u][/u][u][/u]Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741[u][/u][u][/u][b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b][u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u][b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Benny Grumer jaguarb@inter.net.il [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] 13 August 2017 10:02 [b]To:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Master Cylinder Heat Shield[u][/u][u][/u] [u][/u][u][/u]  [u][/u][u][/u]Norman[u][/u][u][/u]Consider the tradeoff -  rust in the main brake cylinder  or replacing the rubber parts every five years or more. [u][/u][u][/u]On the TC the main brake cylinder is the lowest part of the brake system. water will accumulate especially when the car is not driven  frequently.  [u][/u][u][/u]Brake system rubber will withstand 100 deg. C  . The original heat shield will protect the brake oil container from direct heat radiation. [u][/u][u][/u]Regards[u][/u][u][/u]Benny[u][/u][u][/u] __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of detection engine 15906 (20170813) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com[u][/u][u][/u][u][/u][u][/u]

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