Mirrors

[Mark & Sheila Masters]

Hi all, In Horizontal I cannot view the left mirror sitting normally in the drivers seat. It will only work in the vertical position which is not what the original request was. No I am not tall and I should not have to bend the shaft of a new mirror to make it work. I installed it in England and drove to St Petersburg, Mongolia and then to Beijing. Within that six month period there were rust spots appearing and by the time the car was shipped back to NZ the Moss mirror needed re-chroming. The older right hand side minor was OK and does not require re-chroming even now. I do not consider the atmosphere in those regions of the Planet are any more corrosive than anywhere else.MarkNZ

On 26Aug, 2017, at 12:59, 'JOHN PATTERSON' 1948-mgtc@charter.net [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi All,    My mirror came from Little British Car Co. in 2002, (A Moss Motors Dealer in Detroit) and works fine in the horizontal or vertical position and    is fine as far as chrome is concerned.    John Patterson, TC 7025----- Original Message -----From: morgan7709@sbcglobal.net [mg-tabc]To: rmmasters@xtra.co.nzCc: norman@frenchblat.com ; usaj24@earthlink.net ; joecurto@aol.com ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.comSent: Friday, August 25, 2017 7:11 PMSubject: Re: [mg-tabc] Mirrors   Well, as I said I cannot recall where my mirror came from, but since it has been on the car for about a dozen years, is in good shape, and I can see fine in the horizontal position, according to Mark it could not have come from Moss............. Steve TC2911 From: Mark Masters rmmasters@xtra.co.nz> To: Stephen D Stierman morgan7709@sbcglobal.net>  Cc: Norman Verona norman@frenchblat.com>; "usaj24@earthlink.net" usaj24@earthlink.net>; "joecurto@aol.com" joecurto@aol.com>; TABC-Group mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Mirrors Moss are useless for horizontal and the their chrome plating is absolute rubbish. Required rechroming after 12 mthsMarkNZ Sent from my iPhone On 26/08/2017, at 6:30 AM, Stephen D Stierman morgan7709@sbcglobal.net [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:  Norman, I cannot tell you where I got my mirror, but it appears to be the same one that Moss sells with a convex head and a ball and socket attachment with a pinch clamp that slides over the right or left hand arm or now an arm that will work in both positions.  This arrangement allows for vertical or horizontal mounting no matter what arm you use.  It is specifically for the TC, I believe and works well.  I can see along the right side and also to the rear and it is the only mirror I need.  I have no center or left hand mirror.I suspect that Doug may carry this also or any of your MG specific UK suppliers.Steve TC2911 From: "'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc]" mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> To: usaj24@earthlink.net; joecurto@aol.com; 'TABC-Group' mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>  Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 1:51 PM Subject: [mg-tabc] Mirrors  Sorry to start a new subject this way but the Yahoo site seems to have gone on strike. I fitted a pair of mirrors to the windscreen stantion when I renovated the car. I drilled and tapped the stantion to get the second hole on the arm to fit. The first is in one of the stantion fixing screws.  However, I want the mirrors in the horizontal position, not vertical (I d rather see what s behind than the sky and road). I had to bend the arms to get them in this position. So, at last, the question . Does anyone know which supplier has mirrors and arms that will allow horizontal positioning. Thanks, TC10178  Norman Verona11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZPhone: 0044 (0)1226 728811Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741Web: www.frenchblat.com From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Bill Hyatt' usaj24@earthlink.net [mg-tabc] Sent: 25 August 2017 17:13 To: joecurto@aol.com; 'TABC-Group' mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [mg-tabc] CHASING VINTAGE POWER (2).pdf [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Bill Hyatt included below]Joe,Kinda figured that might be the case, urban legends not based on science are hard to kill.Torque is a function of maximizing BMEP which also depends on complete A/F ratio mix burning at stoichio. in order to maximize explosive event potential  (torque) at power stroke. I.e. > explosive event = > BMEP = > torque. HP is a function of torque & RPM. It makes little sense to chase HP in a vintage engine, as this means maximizing RPM to gain HP. Better to chase BMEP & usable torque in usable, pre Red Line RPM range.See above link to my previous discussion on! Chasing Vintage Power as published in The Sacred Octagon earlier this year. BillTC 4926Odessa, Fl  

[Norman Verona]

Many thanks all, a lot of food for thought. I may see if I can get the ones I ve got re-chromed as the chrome is peeling off where I had to bend the arms. If not I ll talk to Mike at NTG and see if his will be OK.

 

Thanks all,

 

 

[b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b]

11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ

Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811

Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741

[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b]

 

[b]From:[/b] Mark & Sheila Masters [mailto:rmmasters@xtra.co.nz] [b]Sent:[/b] 26 August 2017 03:16 [b]To:[/b] JOHN PATTERSON 1948-mgtc@charter.net> [b]Cc:[/b] Stephen D Stierman morgan7709@sbcglobal.net>; Norman Verona norman@frenchblat.com>; usaj24@earthlink.net; joecurto@aol.com; MG T-Series List mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] Mirrors

 

Hi all,

 

In Horizontal I cannot view the left mirror sitting normally in the drivers seat. It will only work in the vertical position which is not what the original request was. No I am not tall and I should not have to bend the shaft of a new mirror to make it work.

 

I installed it in England and drove to St Petersburg, Mongolia and then to Beijing. Within that six month period there were rust spots appearing and by the time the car was shipped back to NZ the Moss mirror needed re-chroming. The older right hand side minor was OK and does not require re-chroming even now. 

I do not consider the atmosphere in those regions of the Planet are any more corrosive than anywhere else.

Mark

NZ

On 26Aug, 2017, at 12:59, 'JOHN PATTERSON' 1948-mgtc@charter.net [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi All,

    My mirror came from Little British Car Co. in 2002, (A Moss Motors Dealer in Detroit) and works fine in the horizontal or vertical position and

    is fine as far as chrome is concerned.

    John Patterson, TC 7025

----- Original Message -----

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[b]To:[/b] rmmasters@xtra.co.nz

[b]Cc:[/b] norman@frenchblat.com ; usaj24@earthlink.net ; joecurto@aol.com ; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com

[b]Sent:[/b] Friday, August 25, 2017 7:11 PM

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Well, as I said I cannot recall where my mirror came from, but since it has been on the car for about a dozen years, is in good shape, and I can see fine in the horizontal position, according to Mark it could not have come from Moss............. Steve TC2911

[b]From:[/b] Mark Masters rmmasters@xtra.co.nz> [b]To:[/b] Stephen D Stierman morgan7709@sbcglobal.net>  [b]Cc:[/b] Norman Verona norman@frenchblat.com>; "usaj24@earthlink.net" usaj24@earthlink.net>; "joecurto@aol.com" joecurto@aol.com>; TABC-Group mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, August 25, 2017 3:29 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] Mirrors

 

Moss are useless for horizontal and the their chrome plating is absolute rubbish. Required rechroming after 12 mths

Mark

NZ

Sent from my iPhone

On 26/08/2017, at 6:30 AM, Stephen D Stierman morgan7709@sbcglobal.net [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Norman, 

I cannot tell you where I got my mirror, but it appears to be the same one that Moss sells with a convex head and a ball and socket attachment with a pinch clamp that slides over the right or left hand arm or now an arm that will work in both positions.  This arrangement allows for vertical or horizontal mounting no matter what arm you use.  It is specifically for the TC, I believe and works well.  I can see along the right side and also to the rear and it is the only mirror I need.  I have no center or left hand mirror.

I suspect that Doug may carry this also or any of your MG specific UK suppliers.

Steve TC2911

 

 

[b]From:[/b] "'Norman Verona' norman@frenchblat.com [mg-tabc]" mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> [b]To:[/b] usaj24@earthlink.net; joecurto@aol.com; 'TABC-Group' mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>  [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, August 25, 2017 1:51 PM [b]Subject:[/b] [mg-tabc] Mirrors

 

 

Sorry to start a new subject this way but the Yahoo site seems to have gone on strike.

 

I fitted a pair of mirrors to the windscreen stantion when I renovated the car. I drilled and tapped the stantion to get the second hole on the arm to fit. The first is in one of the stantion fixing screws. 

 

However, I want the mirrors in the horizontal position, not vertical (I d rather see what s behind than the sky and road). I had to bend the arms to get them in this position.

 

So, at last, the question . Does anyone know which supplier has mirrors and arms that will allow horizontal positioning.

 

Thanks,

 

TC10178

 

 

[b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b]

11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ

Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811

Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741

[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b]

 

[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]'Bill Hyatt' usaj24@earthlink.net [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] 25 August 2017 17:13 [b]To:[/b] joecurto@aol.com; 'TABC-Group' mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]Subject:[/b] [mg-tabc] CHASING VINTAGE POWER (2).pdf [1 Attachment]

 

[b][Attachment(s) from Bill Hyatt included below][/b]

Joe,

Kinda figured that might be the case, urban legends not based on science are hard to kill.

Torque is a function of maximizing BMEP which also depends on complete A/F ratio mix burning at stoichio. in order to maximize explosive event potential  (torque) at power stroke. I.e. > explosive event = > BMEP = > torque. 

HP is a function of torque & RPM. It makes little sense to chase HP in a vintage engine, as this means maximizing RPM to gain HP. Better to chase BMEP & usable torque in usable, pre Red Line RPM range.

See above link to my previous discussion on! [i]Chasing Vintage Power[/i] as published in The Sacred Octagon earlier this year.

 

Bill

TC 4926

Odessa, Fl

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ian thomson]

Norman, I had the same problem.  Rather than buy another mirror I cut off the arm and drilled and tapped the base to fit a longer length of stainless bar bent to fit.  It has worked for 20 years now.

Ian Thomson

UK. presently in Devon

[jerrybirkbeck]

Attachments :

Hi Norman

There have been a few UK suppliers over the years though a few few the plating was poor and certainly not chrome over brass. I have acquired a couple of pairs for the YT and for the TC. Two were kindly given to me the others I bought from Paul Beck  Vintage Supplies. Holden in Worcestershire also sell them (both at 104.00). I have the easy fit side mirror bracket (from Moss) which are okay and probably Holden sell.them too. There is a firm I noticed on the net - MG Parts and Spares who also sell them ( 120.00) though I have no experience of them.

You are absolutely right about the need to be able to position the mirrors horizontally. Jo and I took the YT to Portugal this month and although there wasnt much traffic the l/h side mirror was essential. They can be problematic when the sidescreens are up and you want to get in/out of the car!

On the YT the original Desmo mirror is fitted on the dashboard. Useless. So e

I used the spare 160.. Excellent view!

 

I have attached a pic of the 160s on the YT.

Cheers

Jerry

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[Neil Hewitson]

I thought that two holes were used specific for the mirror not one of the stantion fixings. Maybe it's in the wrong position to turn. Neil Sent from my iPad

[Norman Verona]

Neil,

 

There are brackets who’s holes line up with the stantion holes. However the brackets I bought didn’t so I drilled and tapped another hole.

 

I’ve almost decided, maybe, that I’ll get these arms, where the chrome has peeled off due to the bending, re-chromed. It can wait until winter so it’s been added to the winter jobs,

 

Thanks all.

 

 

[b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b]

11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ

Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811

Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741

[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b]

 

[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Neil Hewitson neilhewitson@btinternet.com [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] 26 August 2017 11:43 [b]To:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [mg-tabc] Re: Mirrors

 

 

I thought that two holes were used specific for the mirror not one of the stantion fixings. Maybe it's in the wrong position to turn. Neil Sent from my iPad

[n.truck]

Not pretty, but effective. I stuck one of those round, concave, adjustable, plastic mirrors from the Walmart onto the top left corner of my windshield. It works so well that I removed the Lucas mirror, which was too hard to see.

[Norman Verona]

We don t have Walmart in the UK. It s called ASDA here but they don t sell round, concave, plastic mirrors.

 

I m going to get my bent arms re-chromed over winter.

 

Thanks all.

 

[b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b]

11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ

Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811

Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741

[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b]

 

[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]n.truck@yahoo.com [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] 26 August 2017 17:55 [b]To:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Re: Mirrors

 

 

Not pretty, but effective. I stuck one of those round, concave, adjustable, plastic mirrors from the Walmart onto the top left corner of my windshield. It works so well that I removed the Lucas mirror, which was too hard to see.

[SANDY SANDERS]

Attachments : Has anybody checked the mirrors that are used on motorcycles. They are all sizes shapes and lengths of shaft. Some of them have a shaft with  just a threaded end. I have used them on MG/TC/TD/TF without any modifications Install them through the slot that the windscreen pivots on. Two nuts and two washers are all that is needed. Two minutes to remove if you wish to lower the windshield. The ones that I have seen are all stainless steel,

Plus they stay far enough forward to clear side curtains

This way there is no drilling needed.

Sandy.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

[b]From: [/b]mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent: [/b]Saturday, August 26, 2017 1:15 PM [b]To: [/b]n.truck@yahoo.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject: [/b]RE: [mg-tabc] Re: Mirrors

 

We don t have Walmart in the UK. It s called ASDA here but they don t sell round, concave, plastic mirrors.

 

I m going to get my bent arms re-chromed over winter.

 

Thanks all.

 

[b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b]

11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZ

Phone: 0044 (0)1226 728811

Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741

[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b]

 

[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]n.truck@yahoo.com [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] 26 August 2017 17:55 [b]To:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [mg-tabc] Re: Mirrors

 

 

Not pretty, but effective. I stuck one of those round, concave, adjustable, plastic mirrors from the Walmart onto the top left corner of my windshield. It works so well that I removed the Lucas mirror, which was too hard to see.

 

[n.truck]

I should have been more explicit and accurate about the stick-on mirrors. They are available in the US at any generic parts store or parts dept. 

They are convex, not concave.

Mine is labeled 3 inch, Wide Angle, proudly made in Taiwan by "K source."

No chrome to complain about.