TC gear ratios

Steve Tom
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Re: TC gear ratios

Post by Steve Tom » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:21 pm

I m probably just stating the obvious, but it depends on what kind of driving you do. I primarily drive my TC around town and on hilly, curvy rural roads that generally have a posted limit of around 45 or 55 mph. (I can tell myself that I m not speeding on those roads because the tonneau cover hides the speedometer, but if there are other drivers on the road they generally impede my progress.) I was forced to rebuild my rear axle a number of years ago and I put in slightly taller gears (I don t remember the ratio) which were recommended for modern traffic. They dropped my revs slightly when cruising, but I also noticed the car didn t accelerate quite as quickly as it used to. Personally, I preferred the original TC gearing, but I don t do much high speed driving and I will go miles out of my way to avoid driving on Interstate highways.

 

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Stephen D Stierman
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Re: TC gear ratios

Post by Stephen D Stierman » Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:45 pm

My box stock TC will keep up reasonably well in modern traffic on two lane roads around here with speed limits of 55 or 60  and I rarely venture onto an interstate highway. Somehow being surrounded by huge semi's and SUV's in a 70 year old auto with a petrol tank as a rear bumper and tiny little tail lights, made of ash and nailed on sheet metal is probably a lot better in slower traffic conditions.  Luckily living in the middle of Ohio with many corn and bean fields and small towns not all that far away has its advantages.  Most of the county roads still have many curves and hills to enjoy, perhaps a lot like the lanes of England after the war.  The car is a time warp of its own and I enjoy stepping back into history when I drive it.Steve  TC2911
On Friday, February 1, 2019, 2:32:26 PM EST, Roger Furneaux roger.46tc@gmail.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
  Unfortunately Robin, the roads are not what they used to be! It is just possible to find a route where no corners have been straightened, no hill tops have been lopped off, and no dual-carriageways have been introduced, but not easy... To simply keep up with modern traffic our 70-80 year old cars need a little help! For years, owners of TCs fitted the higher TA ratio, bored out the cylinders, fitted bigger valves, even superchargers.. Most engines by now will have had hardened valve seats installed to take advantage of modern fuels, and use high-technology multi-grade oil. I do agree with you on two things however, VW steering boxes and Ford gearboxes are a step too far - now there is a can of worms opened up (no pun intended!) RogerDevonTC & MGBGT-V8 (with 6-speed 'box from new!) On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 2:56 PM alpine842 botha birdforth@googlemail..com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: [u][/u]   Personally I think cars should be left as original when possible to properly have the experienced of driving them when made. Robin Bird, Cheshire UK, owner of MG TA and MG TC

John Boocock
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Re: TC gear ratios

Post by John Boocock » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:01 am

I tend to agree with Steve on this. Changing the back axle ratio sounds like a reasonable thing to do, but there are other considerations. With the increased cruising speeds you have to ask yourself are the brakes now up to the job? Also, what about the steering and should I have seat belts? Before you know it you have a car that bears little resemblance, technology wise, to how it came off the production line.

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Re: TC gear ratios

Post by mgtc0604 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:03 am

This is a very interesting thread that seems to combine two opposing threads.  On the one hand, there is advocacy for originality over practicality. A nostalgic perseverance in the face of modern traffic realities.  The point is well-taken that the original performance of the car is still suitable to rural roads and byways.  This view is offered by those who use the car strictly for recreation.

 

The other thread pursues practicality.  Higher ratios, modified engines, leading to improved performance in a multi-laned world.  This mind bent is focused on utility and offered by those who use the car for transportation.

 

I offer a variant on both. I installed the sierra box when my original tranny spat out pieces through the drain.  Pricing a rebuild vs the sierra box was a near draw, but the rebuild might or might not take a year.  Pragmatism won this one, as did hardened valve seats.  BTW the Diff is original ratio and fifth gear lops about 400RPM at 60MPH.

 

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Re: TC gear ratios

Post by Steve S » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:23 am

There's another option. The cars can be modified in a period-correct manner. Alfin brake drums, taller rear end gears, performance headers, high compression pistons and other performance items were all available when the cars were new, some right from the factory. As far as modern modifications go, if they can't be detected by sight, sound or feel then I don't have a problem with them. Things like tapered rear axles, which all but eliminate the danger of being stranded on a mountain road when the weak originals snap. Or Bob's oversized front spindles which add safety to a critical steering component. No one including the owner could ever detect the difference without seeing inside, but it improves the reliability and safety of the vehicle. I'm all for experiencing old cars the way they were in their heyday, but in my opinion reducing the likelihood of breakdowns is a worthwhile pursuit. Of course if all you do is polish the car or take it for coffee, then there's really no need. A stock TC is still a wonderful driving car on minor roads. - Steve Simmons, TC8975 On 2/2/2019 8:03 AM, mgtc@comcast.net [mg-tabc] wrote:
This is a very interesting thread that seems to combine two opposing threads. On the one hand, there is advocacy for originality over practicality. A nostalgic perseverance in the face of modern traffic realities. The point is well-taken that the original performance of the car is still suitable to rural roads and byways. This view is offered by those who use the car strictly for recreation.

The other thread pursues practicality. Higher ratios, modified engines, leading to improved performance in a multi-laned world. This mind bent is focused on utility and offered by those who use the car for transportation.

I offer a variant on both. I installed the sierra box when my original tranny spat out pieces through the drain. Pricing a rebuild vs the sierra box was a near draw, but the rebuild might or might not take a year. Pragmatism won this one, as did hardened valve seats. BTW the Diff is original ratio and fifth gear lops about 400RPM at 60MPH.

[b]_Peter[/b]


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Re: TC gear ratios

Post by Joe Curto » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:36 am

My 2 cent worth regarding Bob G tapered rear axles I had a low mileage restored TC which when we restored I installed new splined inserts in the rear hubs and new axles, many years later but probably only  2500 miles we went in and did some brake work and the repaired hubs were loose on the splines with  a fair amount of "wiggle" at the rear. I fitted Bobs rear hub and axle assemblies along with his oil seal nuts and all of that misery went away, we also fitted his alfin drums and the car was transformed Joe -----Original Message----- From: Steve S mail@mgnuts.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> To: mg-tabc mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat, Feb 2, 2019 11:23 am Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: TC gear ratios   There's another option.  The cars can be modified in a period-correct manner.  Alfin brake drums, taller rear end gears, performance headers, high compression pistons and other performance items were all available when the cars were new, some right from the factory.  As far as modern modifications go, if they can't be detected by sight, sound or feel then I don't have a problem with them.  Things like tapered rear axles, which all but eliminate the danger of being stranded on a mountain road when the weak originals snap.  Or Bob's oversized front spindles which add safety to a critical steering component.  No one including the owner could ever detect the difference without seeing inside, but it improves the reliability and safety of the vehicle.  I'm all for experiencing old cars the way they were in their heyday, but in my opinion reducing the likelihood of breakdowns is a worthwhile pursuit.  Of course if all you do is polish the car or take it for coffee, then there's really no need.  A stock TC is still a wonderful driving car on minor roads. - Steve Simmons, TC8975 On 2/2/2019 8:03 AM, mgtc@comcast.net [mg-tabc] wrote:
  This is a very interesting thread that seems to combine two opposing threads.  On the one hand, there is advocacy for originality over practicality. A nostalgic perseverance in the face of modern traffic realities.  The point is well-taken that the original performance of the car is still suitable to rural roads and byways.  This view is offered by those who use the car strictly for recreation.   The other thread pursues practicality.  Higher ratios, modified engines, leading to improved performance in a multi-laned world.  This mind bent is focused on utility and offered by those who use the car for transportation.   I offer a variant on both. I installed the sierra box when my original tranny spat out pieces through the drain.  Pricing a rebuild vs the sierra box was a near draw, but the rebuild might or might not take a year.  Pragmatism won this one, as did hardened valve seats.  BTW the Diff is original ratio and fifth gear lops about 400RPM at 60MPH.   [b]_Peter[/b]  
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Re: TC gear ratios

Post by Tweed » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:41 am

Just think how boring it would be if we all did the same .. :)  Tweed.  [b]From:[/b] "Steve S mail@mgnuts.com [mg-tabc]" mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> [b]To:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Saturday, 2 February 2019, 16:23 [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] Re: TC gear ratios   There's another option.  The cars can be modified in a period-correct manner.  Alfin brake drums, taller rear end gears, performance headers, high compression pistons and other performance items were all available when the cars were new, some right from the factory.  As far as modern modifications go, if they can't be detected by sight, sound or feel then I don't have a problem with them.  Things like tapered rear axles, which all but eliminate the danger of being stranded on a mountain road when the weak originals snap.  Or Bob's oversized front spindles which add safety to a critical steering component.  No one including the owner could ever detect the difference without seeing inside, but it improves the reliability and safety of the vehicle.  I'm all for experiencing old cars the way they were in their heyday, but in my opinion reducing the likelihood of breakdowns is a worthwhile pursuit.  Of course if all you do is polish the car or take it for coffee, then there's really no need.  A stock TC is still a wonderful driving car on minor roads. - Steve Simmons, TC8975 On 2/2/2019 8:03 AM, mgtc@comcast.net [mg-tabc] wrote:
  This is a very interesting thread that seems to combine two opposing threads.  On the one hand, there is advocacy for originality over practicality. A nostalgic perseverance in the face of modern traffic realities.  The point is well-taken that the original performance of the car is still suitable to rural roads and byways.  This view is offered by those who use the car strictly for recreation.   The other thread pursues practicality.  Higher ratios, modified engines, leading to improved performance in a multi-laned world.  This mind bent is focused on utility and offered by those who use the car for transportation.   I offer a variant on both. I installed the sierra box when my original tranny spat out pieces through the drain.  Pricing a rebuild vs the sierra box was a near draw, but the rebuild might or might not take a year.  Pragmatism won this one, as did hardened valve seats.  BTW the Diff is original ratio and fifth gear lops about 400RPM at 60MPH.   [b]_Peter[/b]  
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Re: TC gear ratios

Post by Stephen D Stierman » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:03 am

I am not advocating originality over modification, it is your vehicle, please do as you wish. I chose to keep mine pretty much unmolested and make it the best I could with what it had in 1948; BC steering box, stock brakes, that actually work pretty well, standard gearbox(that will slip out of second on the overrun) and standard diff, pretty much unmodified engine, etc. etc. It does have a Wilwood MC and the next time I have the head off, if I do, I plan to have a bit shaved to raise the compression a point or so to make better use of higher octane modern petrol. That said the car works pretty well for what I use if for, not just polishing and driving for coffee by the way! It gets driven a couple thousand miles or so a year and I have no problem going out on a Sunday for a 100 mile drive in the country side on the two lane secondary county roads around here. I share them with the cyclists and we wave to each other. Sometimes I think people modify these cars just because they think some of this newer stuff is better than what came on them, well often it isn't. But like I said, your car do as you please. Perhaps when I am gone the next owner might enjoy having a TC that is still pretty much as it was when it ran around the narrow lanes of England after the war. Steve in chilly, snow covered Ohio --------------------------------------------
On Sat, 2/2/19, mgtc@comcast.net [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: [mg-tabc] Re: TC gear ratios To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 2, 2019, 11:03 AM This is a very interesting thread that seems to combine two opposing threads. On the one hand, there is advocacy for originality over practicality. A nostalgic perseverance in the face of modern traffic realities. The point is well-taken that the original performance of the car is still suitable to rural roads and byways. This view is offered by those who use the car strictly for recreation. The other thread pursues practicality. Higher ratios, modified engines, leading to improved performance in a multi-laned world. This mind bent is focused on utility and offered by those who use the car for transportation. I offer a variant on both. I installed the sierra box when my original tranny spat out pieces through the drain. Pricing a rebuild vs the sierra box was a near draw, but the rebuild might or might not take a year. Pragmatism won this one, as did hardened valve seats. 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Duncan
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Re: TC gear ratios

Post by Duncan » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:07 am

One of the earlier period modifications found useful on a TC was to run 19" Model A tires.  They fit just right on the original wheels, and added about 3 inches outside diameter to the tires.   Approx 30" vs 27".  Road contact patch is near identical.  At 60mph that extra diameter drops the engine speed by 400 RPM.   Duncan- 
On Saturday, February 2, 2019, 8:03:27 AM PST, mgtc@comcast.net [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
  This is a very interesting thread that seems to combine two opposing threads.  On the one hand, there is advocacy for originality over practicality. A nostalgic perseverance in the face of modern traffic realities.  The point is well-taken that the original performance of the car is still suitable to rural roads and byways.  This view is offered by those who use the car strictly for recreation.

 

The other thread pursues practicality.  Higher ratios, modified engines, leading to improved performance in a multi-laned world.  This mind bent is focused on utility and offered by those who use the car for transportation.

 

I offer a variant on both. I installed the sierra box when my original tranny spat out pieces through the drain.  Pricing a rebuild vs the sierra box was a near draw, but the rebuild might or might not take a year.  Pragmatism won this one, as did hardened valve seats.  BTW the Diff is original ratio and fifth gear lops about 400RPM at 60MPH.

 

[b]_Peter[/b]

 


Bob Grunau
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Re: TC gear ratios

Post by Bob Grunau » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:22 am

Hi Joe,

THANKs, all those parts are still available from me off the shelf

 

Modifications, my TC has 4.55 MGA type differential gears for highway cruising. Necessary when driving on thruways in order to get to a distant destination in a short time. I ve driven the TC from Toronto to Key West Florida, about as far south as you can get in the USA. Also driven as much as 14,000 miles in a calendar year. We have done 650 TC miles in a day!! Yes back roads on a Sunday afternoon are great, but, when you have to be somewhere in a few days, thruways are necessary. TC8654 still has matching numbers engine, pretty stock except for the differential gearing.

 

Hope to see the end of this cold snap, -20 C a few days ago so no MG driving. Bob

 

Bob Grunau

150 Pinewood Trail,

Mississauga, Ontario

Canada, L5G-2L1

905-274-4136

 

[b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Joe Curto joecurto@aol.com [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] Saturday, February 02, 2019 11:36 AM [b]To:[/b] mail@mgnuts.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] Re: TC gear ratios

 

 

My 2 cent worth regarding Bob G tapered rear axles I had a low mileage restored TC which when we restored I installed new splined inserts in the rear hubs and new axles, many years later but probably only  2500 miles we went in and did some brake work and the repaired hubs were loose on the splines with  a fair amount of "wiggle" at the rear. I fitted Bobs rear hub and axle assemblies along with his oil seal nuts and all of that misery went away, we also fitted his alfin drums and the car was transformed

 

Joe

 

 

-----Original Message----- From: Steve S mail@mgnuts.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> To: mg-tabc mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat, Feb 2, 2019 11:23 am Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: TC gear ratios

 

There's another option.  The cars can be modified in a period-correct manner.  Alfin brake drums, taller rear end gears, performance headers, high compression pistons and other performance items were all available when the cars were new, some right from the factory.  As far as modern modifications go, if they can't be detected by sight, sound or feel then I don't have a problem with them.  Things like tapered rear axles, which all but eliminate the danger of being stranded on a mountain road when the weak originals snap.  Or Bob's oversized front spindles which add safety to a critical steering component.  No one including the owner could ever detect the difference without seeing inside, but it improves the reliability and safety of the vehicle.  I'm all for experiencing old cars the way they were in their heyday, but in my opinion reducing the likelihood of breakdowns is a worthwhile pursuit.  Of course if all you do is polish the car or take it for coffee, then there's really no need.  A stock TC is still a wonderful driving car on minor roads.

- Steve Simmons, TC8975

On 2/2/2019 8:03 AM, mgtc@comcast.net [mg-tabc] wrote:

 

This is a very interesting thread that seems to combine two opposing threads.  On the one hand, there is advocacy for originality over practicality. A nostalgic perseverance in the face of modern traffic realities.  The point is well-taken that the original performance of the car is still suitable to rural roads and byways.  This view is offered by those who use the car strictly for recreation.

 

The other thread pursues practicality.  Higher ratios, modified engines, leading to improved performance in a multi-laned world.  This mind bent is focused on utility and offered by those who use the car for transportation.

 

I offer a variant on both. I installed the sierra box when my original tranny spat out pieces through the drain.  Pricing a rebuild vs the sierra box was a near draw, but the rebuild might or might not take a year.  Pragmatism won this one, as did hardened valve seats.  BTW the Diff is original ratio and fifth gear lops about 400RPM at 60MPH.

 

[b]_Peter[/b]

 


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