I have been in a B 24 & B 17 and a B 25 which tour the USA by the Collings Foundation , about 400 dollars for 40 minutes , what a thrill. By they way today they announced the Memphis Belle ( 1st Bomber to survive 25 missions over Europe ) has been restored to Static condition and also there is a B 17 which had been mounted over a gas station in the west it is been restored to flying condition or soon to be Joe Curto 718-762-7878 www.joecurto.com -----Original Message----- From: Tweed lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> To: MG-TABC List mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, May 17, 2018 5:55 pm Subject: [mg-tabc] Non MG ... and I've said it before .. I love living here ... it's a beautiful day, I'm messing about with me TC, and so far today there have been a few taking the Tiger Moth Experience, Spitfire, Harvard, DC3 and just now a Catalina fly right over the top of my humble abode! When I've got 1700.00 burning a hole in me pocket, one of the 'treats' at the IWM Duxford is a half hour flight in the Harvard with a Spitfire for company.On May 18, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Joe Curto joecurto@aol.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Non MG ... and I've said it before ..
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I took a flying lesson in a de Haviland Tiger Moth at Duxford a number of years ago. It's pretty much like flying a TC with wings, well worth it. A flight in the Colling's B-17 is a definite on my to do list.
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John, Picture was attached to my email. [b][i]Norman Verona[/i][/b]11 Cherry Close, Royston, South Yorkshire S71 4LZPhone: 0044 (0)1226 728811Mob: 0044 (0)741 9905 741[b][i]Web: www.frenchblat.com[/i][/b] [b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> [b]On Behalf Of [/b]John Kallend kallend@iit.edu [mg-tabc]
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[b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] Non MG ... and I've said it before .. Well, picture doesn't attach but its address is: https://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/AGzIn_DtftBY6x70/hr/V5VajzntfdWJj3kOcc4-/name/PICT0004.jpg Taken at Duxford, 1976, before the IWM took over the airfield.
_____________________________John KallendProfessor EmeritusDepartment of Mechanical, Materials and Aerospace EngineeringDepartment of PhysicsIIT, Chicago On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 12:47 PM, John Kallend kallend@iit.edu [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
TC0845 at Duxford, 1976. (Not sure if picture attaches to group emails) _____________________________John KallendProfessor EmeritusDepartment of Mechanical, Materials and Aerospace EngineeringDepartment of PhysicsIIT, Chicago On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 10:35 AM, mgleckstein mgleckstein@monmouth.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: tweed. Duxford is beyond belief. Was there 10 years ago Any body visiting the UK should not miss it. Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Joe Curto joecurto@aol.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:I have been in a B 24 & B 17 and a B 25 which tour the USA by the Collings Foundation , about 400 dollars for 40 minutes , what a thrill. By they way today they announced the Memphis Belle ( 1st Bomber to survive 25 missions over Europe ) has been restored to Static condition and also there is a B 17 which had been mounted over a gas station in the west it is been restored to flying condition or soon to be Joe Curto718-762-7878www.joecurto.com -----Original Message----- From: Tweed lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> To: MG-TABC List mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, May 17, 2018 5:55 pm Subject: [mg-tabc] Non MG ... and I've said it before .. I love living here ... it's a beautiful day, I'm messing about with me TC, and so far today there have been a few taking the Tiger Moth Experience, Spitfire, Harvard, DC3 and just now a Catalina fly right over the top of my humble abode! When I've got 1700.00 burning a hole in me pocket, one of the 'treats' at the IWM Duxford is a half hour flight in the Harvard with a Spitfire for company.
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Put it on yoru to-do list it is even tax deductible I found the B 25 to noisy and to many fumes , the nose compartment in the B 17 is just like watching 12 O'Clock High or Best Years of Their Life .
Joe Curto 718-762-7878 www.joecurto.com
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I took a flying lesson in a de Haviland Tiger Moth at Duxford a number of years ago. It's pretty much like flying a TC with wings, well worth it. A flight in the Colling's B-17 is a definite on my to do list.
Mark O'Day TA 2335 TC 2218
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On May 18, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Joe Curto joecurto@aol.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I have been in a B 24 & B 17 and a B 25 which tour the USA by the Collings Foundation , about 400 dollars for 40 minutes , what a thrill. By they way today they announced the Memphis Belle ( 1st Bomber to survive 25 missions over Europe ) has been restored to Static condition and also there is a B 17 which had been mounted over a gas station in the west it is been restored to flying condition or soon to be Joe Curto 718-762-7878 www.joecurto.com -----Original Message----- From: Tweed lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> To: MG-TABC List mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, May 17, 2018 5:55 pm Subject: [mg-tabc] Non MG ... and I've said it before .. I love living here ... it's a beautiful day, I'm messing about with me TC, and so far today there have been a few taking the Tiger Moth Experience, Spitfire, Harvard, DC3 and just now a Catalina fly right over the top of my humble abode! When I've got 1700.00 burning a hole in me pocket, one of the 'treats' at the IWM Duxford is a half hour flight in the Harvard with a Spitfire for company.
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Re: Non MG ... and I've said it before ..
P51 Mustang! Excellent kite! Brilliant design like the P38 Lightning!
Almost as good as our very own Spitfire, Hurricane and Mosquito!

On 18 May 2018 at 08:30, mgleckstein mgleckstein@monmouth.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: [u][/u] Joe. Does a flying B29 exist? There is another group that tours the country and has been yearly to New Jersey. They have a flying B25 and a flying P51 Mustang 2 seater trainer. Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Joe Curto joecurto@aol.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I have been in a B 24 & B 17 and a B 25 which tour the USA by the Collings Foundation , about 400 dollars for 40 minutes , what a thrill. By they way today they announced the Memphis Belle ( 1st Bomber to survive 25 missions over Europe ) has been restored to Static condition and also there is a B 17 which had been mounted over a gas station in the west it is been restored to flying condition or soon to be Joe Curto 718-762-7878 www.joecurto.com -----Original Message----- From: Tweed lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> To: MG-TABC List mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, May 17, 2018 5:55 pm Subject: [mg-tabc] Non MG ... and I've said it before .. I love living here ... it's a beautiful day, I'm messing about with me TC, and so far today there have been a few taking the Tiger Moth Experience, Spitfire, Harvard, DC3 and just now a Catalina fly right over the top of my humble abode! When I've got 1700.00 burning a hole in me pocket, one of the 'treats' at the IWM Duxford is a half hour flight in the Harvard with a Spitfire for company.
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May Evening AirshowVisit this awe-inspiring Collection of historic aircraft and vehicles from the 1930s. Be captivated by incredibl...
On 18 May 2018 at 08:30, mgleckstein mgleckstein@monmouth.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Joe. Does a flying B29 exist? There is another group that tours the country and has been yearly to New Jersey. They have a flying B25 and a flying P51 Mustang 2 seater trainer.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 18, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Joe Curto joecurto@aol.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I have been in a B 24 & B 17 and a B 25 which tour the USA by the Collings Foundation , about 400 dollars for 40 minutes , what a thrill. By they way today they announced the Memphis Belle ( 1st Bomber to survive 25 missions over Europe ) has been restored to Static condition and also there is a B 17 which had been mounted over a gas station in the west it is been restored to flying condition or soon to be
Joe Curto 718-762-7878 www.joecurto.com
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I love living here ... it's a beautiful day, I'm messing about with me TC, and so far today there have been a few taking the Tiger Moth Experience, Spitfire, Harvard, DC3 and just now a Catalina fly right over the top of my humble abode! When I've got 1700.00 burning a hole in me pocket, one of the 'treats' at the IWM Duxford is a half hour flight in the Harvard with a Spitfire for company.
P51 Mustang! Excellent kite! Brilliant design like the P38 Lightning! Almost as good as our very own Spitfire, Hurricane and Mosquito!On Saturday, 19 May 2018, 06:38:21 BST, David Lodge emmgeeteesee@gmail.com> wrote:

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I suppose that you remember the old Jimmy Bond flick (Moonraker?) which heavily featured a Vulcan and one shot in which half a dozen or so were shown on a runway? That was back when we had an Air Force worth the name!
On 19 May 2018 at 00:47, Tweed lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: This afternoon we're heading off to the home of the Shuttleworth Collection at Old Warden for an evening airshow I went to one a few years ago when the Vulcan did a stint .. amazing bit of kit! May Evening Airshow May Evening AirshowVisit this awe-inspiring Collection of historic aircraft and vehicles from the 1930s. Be captivated by incredibl... On Saturday, 19 May 2018, 06:38:21 BST, David Lodge emmgeeteesee@gmail.com> wrote: P51 Mustang! Excellent kite! Brilliant design like the P38 Lightning! Almost as good as our very own Spitfire, Hurricane and Mosquito!On 18 May 2018 at 08:30, mgleckstein mgleckstein@monmouth.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: [u][/u] Joe. Does a flying B29 exist? There is another group that tours the country and has been yearly to New Jersey. They have a flying B25 and a flying P51 Mustang 2 seater trainer. Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Joe Curto joecurto@aol.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I have been in a B 24 & B 17 and a B 25 which tour the USA by the Collings Foundation , about 400 dollars for 40 minutes , what a thrill. By they way today they announced the Memphis Belle ( 1st Bomber to survive 25 missions over Europe ) has been restored to Static condition and also there is a B 17 which had been mounted over a gas station in the west it is been restored to flying condition or soon to be Joe Curto 718-762-7878 www.joecurto.com -----Original Message----- From: Tweed lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> To: MG-TABC List mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, May 17, 2018 5:55 pm Subject: [mg-tabc] Non MG ... and I've said it before .. I love living here ... it's a beautiful day, I'm messing about with me TC, and so far today there have been a few taking the Tiger Moth Experience, Spitfire, Harvard, DC3 and just now a Catalina fly right over the top of my humble abode! When I've got 1700.00 burning a hole in me pocket, one of the 'treats' at the IWM Duxford is a half hour flight in the Harvard with a Spitfire for company.
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Joe, or anybody know the number of flying B24 s left? I believe they were the most produced bomber of the war. At Willow run, they ran two shifts and produced a new B24 every hour, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Wow! B24s were nor as romantic as the B17 ( the 17 got the better Hollywood Movie treatment) but the B24 was probably the better plane and saw service in ever theater of the war . [b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]mgleckstein mgleckstein@monmouth.com [mg-tabc]
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tweed. Duxford is beyond belief. Was there 10 years ago Any body visiting the UK should not miss it. Sent from my iPhone
On May 18, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Joe Curto joecurto@aol.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I have been in a B 24 & B 17 and a B 25 which tour the USA by the Collings Foundation , about 400 dollars for 40 minutes , what a thrill. By they way today they announced the Memphis Belle ( 1st Bomber to survive 25 missions over Europe ) has been restored to Static condition and also there is a B 17 which had been mounted over a gas station in the west it is been restored to flying condition or soon to be Joe Curto718-762-7878www.joecurto.com -----Original Message----- From: Tweed lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> To: MG-TABC List mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, May 17, 2018 5:55 pm Subject: [mg-tabc] Non MG ... and I've said it before .. I love living here ... it's a beautiful day, I'm messing about with me TC, and so far today there have been a few taking the Tiger Moth Experience, Spitfire, Harvard, DC3 and just now a Catalina fly right over the top of my humble abode! When I've got 1700.00 burning a hole in me pocket, one of the 'treats' at the IWM Duxford is a half hour flight in the Harvard with a Spitfire for company.
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Collings has one and CAF from Texas has another , not sure of others
Joe Curto 718-762-7878 www.joecurto.com
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tweed. Duxford is beyond belief. Was there 10 years ago Any body visiting the UK should not miss it. Sent from my iPhone
I have been in a B 24 & B 17 and a B 25 which tour the USA by the Collings Foundation , about 400 dollars for 40 minutes , what a thrill. By they way today they announced the Memphis Belle ( 1st Bomber to survive 25 missions over Europe ) has been restored to Static condition and also there is a B 17 which had been mounted over a gas station in the west it is been restored to flying condition or soon to be Joe Curto 718-762-7878 www.joecurto.com -----Original Message----- From: Tweed lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> To: MG-TABC List mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, May 17, 2018 5:55 pm Subject: [mg-tabc] Non MG ... and I've said it before .. I love living here ... it's a beautiful day, I'm messing about with me TC, and so far today there have been a few taking the Tiger Moth Experience, Spitfire, Harvard, DC3 and just now a Catalina fly right over the top of my humble abode! When I've got 1700.00 burning a hole in me pocket, one of the 'treats' at the IWM Duxford is a half hour flight in the Harvard with a Spitfire for company.On May 18, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Joe Curto joecurto@aol.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Re: Non MG ... and I've said it before ..
List of surviving Consolidated B-24 Liberators13 complete aircraft survive, of which 2 are airworthy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_surviving_Consolidated_B-24_Liberators
John SeimIrvine, CA
-----Original Message----- From: Michael Leckstein MGLeckstein@monmouth.com> To: 'mgleckstein' mgleckstein@monmouth.com>; 'Joe Curto' joecurto@aol.com> Cc: lizandtweed lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk>; mg-tabc mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, May 22, 2018 7:26 am Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Non MG ... and I've said it before .. Joe, or anybody know the number of flying B24 s left? I believe they were the most produced bomber of the war. At Willow run, they ran two shifts and produced a new B24 every hour, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Wow! B24s were nor as romantic as the B17 ( the 17 got the better Hollywood Movie treatment) but the B24 was probably the better plane and saw service in ever theater of the war . [b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com?] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]mgleckstein mgleckstein@monmouth.com [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, May 18, 2018 11:36 AM [b]To:[/b] Joe Curto [b]Cc:[/b] lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] Non MG ... and I've said it before .. tweed. Duxford is beyond belief. Was there 10 years ago Any body visiting the UK should not miss it. Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Joe Curto joecurto@aol.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:I have been in a B 24 & B 17 and a B 25 which tour the USA by the Collings Foundation , about 400 dollars for 40 minutes , what a thrill. By they way today they announced the Memphis Belle ( 1st Bomber to survive 25 missions over Europe ) has been restored to Static condition and also there is a B 17 which had been mounted over a gas station in the west it is been restored to flying condition or soon to be Joe Curto718-762-7878www.joecurto..com -----Original Message----- From: Tweed lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> To: MG-TABC List mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, May 17, 2018 5:55 pm Subject: [mg-tabc] Non MG ... and I've said it before .. I love living here ... it's a beautiful day, I'm messing about with me TC, and so far today there have been a few taking the Tiger Moth Experience, Spitfire, Harvard, DC3 and just now a Catalina fly right over the top of my humble abode! When I've got 1700.00 burning a hole in me pocket, one of the 'treats' at the IWM Duxford is a half hour flight in the Harvard with a Spitfire for company.
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Re: Non MG ... and I've said it before ..
Wow. 2 flying out 19000 produced. 8000 from Willow Run alone.
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List of surviving Consolidated B-24 Liberators13 complete aircraft survive, of which 2 are airworthy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_surviving_Consolidated_B-24_Liberators John SeimIrvine, CA -----Original Message----- From: Michael Leckstein MGLeckstein@monmouth.com> To: 'mgleckstein' mgleckstein@monmouth.com>; 'Joe Curto' joecurto@aol.com> Cc: lizandtweed lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk>; mg-tabc mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, May 22, 2018 7:26 am Subject: RE: [mg-tabc] Non MG .... and I've said it before .. Joe, or anybody know the number of flying B24 s left? I believe they were the most produced bomber of the war. At Willow run, they ran two shifts and produced a new B24 every hour, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Wow! B24s were nor as romantic as the B17 ( the 17 got the better Hollywood Movie treatment) but the B24 was probably the better plane and saw service in ever theater of the war . [b]From:[/b] mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com?] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]mgleckstein mgleckstein@monmouth.com [mg-tabc] [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, May 18, 2018 11:36 AM [b]To:[/b] Joe Curto [b]Cc:[/b] lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [mg-tabc] Non MG ... and I've said it before .. tweed. Duxford is beyond belief. Was there 10 years ago Any body visiting the UK should not miss it. Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Joe Curto joecurto@aol.com [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:I have been in a B 24 & B 17 and a B 25 which tour the USA by the Collings Foundation , about 400 dollars for 40 minutes , what a thrill. By they way today they announced the Memphis Belle ( 1st Bomber to survive 25 missions over Europe ) has been restored to Static condition and also there is a B 17 which had been mounted over a gas station in the west it is been restored to flying condition or soon to be Joe Curto718-762-7878www.joecurto..com -----Original Message----- From: Tweed lizandtweed@yahoo.co.uk [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> To: MG-TABC List mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, May 17, 2018 5:55 pm Subject: [mg-tabc] Non MG ... and I've said it before .. I love living here ... it's a beautiful day, I'm messing about with me TC, and so far today there have been a few taking the Tiger Moth Experience, Spitfire, Harvard, DC3 and just now a Catalina fly right over the top of my humble abode! When I've got 1700.00 burning a hole in me pocket, one of the 'treats' at the IWM Duxford is a half hour flight in the Harvard with a Spitfire for company.On May 22, 2018, at 12:06 PM, John Seim kingseim@earthlink.net [mg-tabc] mg-tabc-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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