Wheel Bearings

[Bob Grunau]

Doug, Original ball bearings are: SKF-6205- inner SKF-6304 - outer You need two of each. You might try a fully sealed, double shielded front wheel bearings to avoid any chance of water entering the bearing from the hub split pin hole. Tapered roller bearings are better but require more time to set up as you MUST use and shim the bearing spacer and tighten the stub axle nut fully. Tapered roller bearing numbers are: 4 off- Timken-07204 outer race 2 off Timken 07079 roller ace. 2 off Timken 07097 roller race. Or use SKF-30205 inner, 2 required, SKF-30304, outer, two required. Timken races and rollers are separate. SKF bearings come as a two piece assembly. Both are same sizes, SKF may be cheaper. Yes the 12 ball rear wheel bearing is better, and more expensive. Probably worth the money extra. But IMHO not required for ordinary road use, but I would buy them anyway. Bob Bob, I seem to recall that you (I believe) recently posted the numbers for front wheel bearings as well, but I can't seem to find them in the special files. Would you please note them again? Further, is the 12 ball bearing primarily for racing type driving or would it be also a good idea for the "average" guy driver like me. Thanks. Doug Pulver TC 5850

[Mark]

Hi, Madhu- Do you recall the SKF bearing number? Thanks- Mark

----- Original Message ----- From: "Paroor" paroor@t-online.de> To: "Doug Pelton" DougPelton@cox.net>; "Jim Shade" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 4:23 AM Subject: AW: [mg-tabc] Wheel bearings Hi Doug Pelton, I buy " SKF " bearings form the agents. All these wheel bearings are about 5 to 12 ?. Even " SKF " produce in different countries. You never had to worry about the quality. Did you notice the brand name of the " Taiwan " bearings ??? I would like to know !!! 40 years back I worked in the as an apprentice and assembled electrical motors. I spoiled a number of new bearings while assembling, learned it the hard way. Never use force in the wrong place on the ball bearing. We only fix it in place by heating or cooling. Smaller ones can be pressed in. Using the hammer in the wrong place, and one hit is enough to damage the bearing. I was not able to reclaim the bearings here. I replaced all wheel bearings of TC 0448. On the front near side it is perfect. The wheel turns few minutes on the jack if you simply rotate it with one finger and one stroke. But on the driver side it was different. We controlled the spacers and all the other parts again, the resistance is different and rotate less time than the other side. This is my experience. Madhu -----Urspr ngliche Nachricht----- Von: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Doug Pelton Gesendet: Sonntag, 4. Februar 2007 14:51 An: Jim Shade Betreff: RE: [mg-tabc] Moss USA On The Subject Of Quality To All, Thanks Clive for being one of our advocates for quality. It is ironic that this subject reappeared today. Yesterday, I was installing new front wheel bearings from Moss and just by chance gave one a spin to see how smooth it rolled. It didn't. The other 3 were perfect and as expected, but the first one I spun was worse than what I am replacing. It's brand new, from Moss, made in Taiwan. More wasted time sending it back and waiting for the replacement. This is not the only item of poor quality but one of many. In the past I have just dealt with it and adjusted, substituted, filed, machined, or replaced to get the job done to "my level" of quality and satisfaction. I have had conversations with my Moss distributor and he understands but very candidly stated Moss does not respond to these problems. Aside from the bearing, the roller bearing on the Tomkins kit would not fit on the adjustment screw, rear axle bolts that should have a hex head but instead are slotted round heads and 2 of 8 bolts had no slot, a package of 8 rubber bushings with on 7 inside, and bolts that are not BSF. Some of this is just aggravation and other is pure safety. I have slowly learned what not to buy from Moss. Now, I would suggest we all hold Moss to the task of quality. When it is not right let them know and demand corrections. I have been passive just to get the job done. After this bearing, I will not let another problem slide. I hope others will follow. Doug Pelton 3754 E Nance Circle Mesa, AZ 85215 602-690-4927 1948 TC 7410 EXU Dec 48 1949 TC 7670 EXU Jan 49 ,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Peter Roberts]

Hi Madhu! Interesting that you have the same experience as I have with mine. One wheel rottes freely, the other is limited. This despite two days reworking spacers , etc. I decided it was a difference in the hubs. Does anyone have advice for us? _Peter

----- Original Message ----- From: Paroor To: Doug Pelton ; Jim Shade Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 4:23 AM Subject: AW: [mg-tabc] Wheel bearings Hi Doug Pelton, I buy " SKF " bearings form the agents. All these wheel bearings are about 5 to 12 ?. Even " SKF " produce in different countries. You never had to worry about the quality. Did you notice the brand name of the " Taiwan " bearings ??? I would like to know !!! 40 years back I worked in the as an apprentice and assembled electrical motors. I spoiled a number of new bearings while assembling, learned it the hard way. Never use force in the wrong place on the ball bearing. We only fix it in place by heating or cooling. Smaller ones can be pressed in. Using the hammer in the wrong place, and one hit is enough to damage the bearing. I was not able to reclaim the bearings here. I replaced all wheel bearings of TC 0448. On the front near side it is perfect. The wheel turns few minutes on the jack if you simply rotate it with one finger and one stroke. But on the driver side it was different. We controlled the spacers and all the other parts again, the resistance is different and rotate less time than the other side. This is my experience. Madhu -----Urspr ngliche Nachricht----- Von: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Doug Pelton Gesendet: Sonntag, 4. Februar 2007 14:51 An: Jim Shade Betreff: RE: [mg-tabc] Moss USA On The Subject Of Quality To All, Thanks Clive for being one of our advocates for quality. It is ironic that this subject reappeared today. Yesterday, I was installing new front wheel bearings from Moss and just by chance gave one a spin to see how smooth it rolled. It didn't. The other 3 were perfect and as expected, but the first one I spun was worse than what I am replacing. It's brand new, from Moss, made in Taiwan. More wasted time sending it back and waiting for the replacement. This is not the only item of poor quality but one of many. In the past I have just dealt with it and adjusted, substituted, filed, machined, or replaced to get the job done to "my level" of quality and satisfaction. I have had conversations with my Moss distributor and he understands but very candidly stated Moss does not respond to these problems. Aside from the bearing, the roller bearing on the Tomkins kit would not fit on the adjustment screw, rear axle bolts that should have a hex head but instead are slotted round heads and 2 of 8 bolts had no slot, a package of 8 rubber bushings with on 7 inside, and bolts that are not BSF. Some of this is just aggravation and other is pure safety. I have slowly learned what not to buy from Moss. Now, I would suggest we all hold Moss to the task of quality. When it is not right let them know and demand corrections. I have been passive just to get the job done. After this bearing, I will not let another problem slide. I hope others will follow. Doug Pelton 3754 E Nance Circle Mesa, AZ 85215 602-690-4927 1948 TC 7410 EXU Dec 48 1949 TC 7670 EXU Jan 49 ,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Pavone, John (GE, Corporate)]

I've had a similar experience with front wheel bearings purchased through Moss. I put in a second set of new bearings, replaced the hub/spacer and I still have quite a bit more play on the right side than on the left. The stub axle is also new. Can someone provide the bearing numbers and a source of quality bearing in the USA? Thanks. JP TC2797

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Hi Madhu! Interesting that you have the same experience as I have with mine. One wheel rottes freely, the other is limited. This despite two days reworking spacers , etc. I decided it was a difference in the hubs. Does anyone have advice for us? _Peter

----- Original Message ----- From: Paroor To: Doug Pelton ; Jim Shade Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 4:23 AM Subject: AW: [mg-tabc] Wheel bearings Hi Doug Pelton, I buy " SKF " bearings form the agents. All these wheel bearings are about 5 to 12 ?. Even " SKF " produce in different countries. You never had to worry about the quality. Did you notice the brand name of the " Taiwan " bearings ??? I would like to know !!! 40 years back I worked in the as an apprentice and assembled electrical motors. I spoiled a number of new bearings while assembling, learned it the hard way. Never use force in the wrong place on the ball bearing. We only fix it in place by heating or cooling. Smaller ones can be pressed in. Using the hammer in the wrong place, and one hit is enough to damage the bearing. I was not able to reclaim the bearings here. I replaced all wheel bearings of TC 0448. On the front near side it is perfect. The wheel turns few minutes on the jack if you simply rotate it with one finger and one stroke. But on the driver side it was different. We controlled the spacers and all the other parts again, the resistance is different and rotate less time than the other side. This is my experience. Madhu -----Urspr ngliche Nachricht----- Von: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com ]Im Auftrag von Doug Pelton Gesendet: Sonntag, 4. Februar 2007 14:51 An: Jim Shade Betreff: RE: [mg-tabc] Moss USA On The Subject Of Quality To All, Thanks Clive for being one of our advocates for quality. It is ironic that this subject reappeared today. Yesterday, I was installing new front wheel bearings from Moss and just by chance gave one a spin to see how smooth it rolled. It didn't. The other 3 were perfect and as expected, but the first one I spun was worse than what I am replacing. It's brand new, from Moss, made in Taiwan. More wasted time sending it back and waiting for the replacement. This is not the only item of poor quality but one of many. In the past I have just dealt with it and adjusted, substituted, filed, machined, or replaced to get the job done to "my level" of quality and satisfaction. I have had conversations with my Moss distributor and he understands but very candidly stated Moss does not respond to these problems. Aside from the bearing, the roller bearing on the Tomkins kit would not fit on the adjustment screw, rear axle bolts that should have a hex head but instead are slotted round heads and 2 of 8 bolts had no slot, a package of 8 rubber bushings with on 7 inside, and bolts that are not BSF. Some of this is just aggravation and other is pure safety. I have slowly learned what not to buy from Moss. Now, I would suggest we all hold Moss to the task of quality. When it is not right let them know and demand corrections. I have been passive just to get the job done. After this bearing, I will not let another problem slide. I hope others will follow. Doug Pelton 3754 E Nance Circle Mesa, AZ 85215 602-690-4927 1948 TC 7410 EXU Dec 48 1949 TC 7670 EXU Jan 49 ,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Steve S]

I had the same issue, one side was loose and the other tight. I was able to correct this by adding shims on one side and carefully sanding the (new) spacer down on the other side. I had to take off a surprising amount of material beore the ned play was correct. Measuring did not seem to help for some reason, so I accomplished the job by trial and error. I chalk this up to a 50-year-old car with an unknown history. Not a big deal. - Steve S, TC8975, LA, CA -

----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Roberts To: Doug Pelton ; Jim Shade ; Paroor Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Wheel bearings Hi Madhu! Interesting that you have the same experience as I have with mine. One wheel rottes freely, the other is limited. This despite two days reworking spacers , etc. I decided it was a difference in the hubs. Does anyone have advice for us? _Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Paroor To: Doug Pelton ; Jim Shade Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 4:23 AM Subject: AW: [mg-tabc] Wheel bearings Hi Doug Pelton, I buy " SKF " bearings form the agents. All these wheel bearings are about 5 to 12 ?. Even " SKF " produce in different countries. You never had to worry about the quality. Did you notice the brand name of the " Taiwan " bearings ??? I would like to know !!! 40 years back I worked in the as an apprentice and assembled electrical motors. I spoiled a number of new bearings while assembling, learned it the hard way. Never use force in the wrong place on the ball bearing. We only fix it in place by heating or cooling. Smaller ones can be pressed in. Using the hammer in the wrong place, and one hit is enough to damage the bearing. I was not able to reclaim the bearings here. I replaced all wheel bearings of TC 0448. On the front near side it is perfect. The wheel turns few minutes on the jack if you simply rotate it with one finger and one stroke. But on the driver side it was different. We controlled the spacers and all the other parts again, the resistance is different and rotate less time than the other side. This is my experience. Madhu -----Urspr ngliche Nachricht----- Von: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Doug Pelton Gesendet: Sonntag, 4. Februar 2007 14:51 An: Jim Shade Betreff: RE: [mg-tabc] Moss USA On The Subject Of Quality To All, Thanks Clive for being one of our advocates for quality. It is ironic that this subject reappeared today. Yesterday, I was installing new front wheel bearings from Moss and just by chance gave one a spin to see how smooth it rolled. It didn't. The other 3 were perfect and as expected, but the first one I spun was worse than what I am replacing. It's brand new, from Moss, made in Taiwan. More wasted time sending it back and waiting for the replacement. This is not the only item of poor quality but one of many. In the past I have just dealt with it and adjusted, substituted, filed, machined, or replaced to get the job done to "my level" of quality and satisfaction. I have had conversations with my Moss distributor and he understands but very candidly stated Moss does not respond to these problems. Aside from the bearing, the roller bearing on the Tomkins kit would not fit on the adjustment screw, rear axle bolts that should have a hex head but instead are slotted round heads and 2 of 8 bolts had no slot, a package of 8 rubber bushings with on 7 inside, and bolts that are not BSF. Some of this is just aggravation and other is pure safety. I have slowly learned what not to buy from Moss. Now, I would suggest we all hold Moss to the task of quality. When it is not right let them know and demand corrections. I have been passive just to get the job done. After this bearing, I will not let another problem slide. I hope others will follow. Doug Pelton 3754 E Nance Circle Mesa, AZ 85215 602-690-4927 1948 TC 7410 EXU Dec 48 1949 TC 7670 EXU Jan 49 ,_._,___ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Pavone, John (GE, Corporate)]

Actually drive to a vendor? Wow, it's been awhile. I was hoping this could be done with a few mouse clicks! JP TC2797

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Guys, Look in the yellow pages under "bearing". Then, clutching your old bearings in your hand, drive to that location. Go inside and say the magic words , " Hey pal, got one of these?" Works every time..... Best, Ray

[joecurto@aol.com]

Gents the number for the TYC front hub bearings are: 6306 Inner 6304 outer 6208 rear hubs These numbers are pretty standard in the world of bearings and any bearing supply house can work with them, Joe Curto [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[squeaky_isabella]

Hi listers, Does anybody have the ID numbers handy of the TC front and rear hub bearings. I assume those can be bought from local bearing shops. Thanks Bjorn

[Chris Howard]

Bjorn Bearing numbers are: Rear hub bearing: 6208 Front hub inner: 6205 Front hub outer: 6304 They are available in a variety of configurations - sealed for life type are probably best. Regards Chris _____ From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of squeaky_isabella Sent: 30 November 2007 23:48 To: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mg-tabc] Wheel bearings Hi listers, Does anybody have the ID numbers handy of the TC front and rear hub bearings. I assume those can be bought from local bearing shops. Thanks Bjorn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]