Cough Sputter Blah

[Donald Wilkinson]

In that case, try platinum plugs-wider heat range- 5 or 6 bucks a pop nowadays. Don TC7993

>From: "Clive Sherriff" clive.sherriff@ntlworld.com> >To: "Gene Gillam" anngene@bellsouth.net>,"Mark Stolzenburg" >stolzy40@peoplepc.com> >CC: "mg-tabc List" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Cough Sputter Blah >Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:36:35 +0100 > >This sound like it could be wrong heat rating plug trouble ? > >It might be worth putting a new set of correct rating plugs in >and trying it - > >Clive >================================= >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Stolzenburg" stolzy40@peoplepc.com> >To: "Gene Gillam" anngene@bellsouth.net> >Cc: "mg-tabc List" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 6:46 PM >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Cough Sputter Blah > > > > Gene, Let me know what you find out with your friends TC. As I mentioned > > about a week ago, when my TC warms up it acts the same. I've check fuel > > lines, gas to the front carb when hot, replaced fuel pump, coil and > > condenser, checked float levels, leaned jets, even hot wired engine to > > eliminate other electrical components. Everything seems to check out OK. > > Mark Stolzenburg > > Stumped in St. Louis and still running rough > > TC 7812 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gene Gillam" anngene@bellsouth.net> > > To: Martinman006@aol.com>; "mg-tabc List" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 12:30 PM > > Subject: [mg-tabc] Cough Sputter Blah > > > > > > > Thinking caps please!! > > > > > > Went out with my friend Bob Bell yesterday - me driving his TC, him > > leading in his TD. About 8 miles down the road the TC started acting >like > > it was running on two cylinders, no misfire, no backfiring, just a loss >of > > power. Bob has a modern fuel pump mounted back at the tank, pushing >petrol > > thru the front Lucas pump, then to the carburetors. Pulled over to the >side > > of the road, checked the in-line filter under the tank, looked clean, >pulled > > out the filter on the Lucas pump, a bit dirty but not too much, cleaned, >and > > restarted the car. Running smooth again with power. > > > > > > Drove down the road a bit further, same symptoms - loss of power. >Coil > > very hot compared to the coil in the TD. Let it sit, started up, good > > power. Drove maybe a mile and putt-putt - power gone again. Hooked up >the > > Lucas pump to work with the push pump at the tank. Ran perfectly again >- > > until I pulled over and we disconnected the push pump to "see if the >push > > pump was the problem". Started out using only the Lucas pump - three >miles > > down the road and it dies again. Hooked up both pumps and made it the >final > > 1/2 mile home. > > > > > > When we got home, I replaced his Lucas pump with a brand new spare - >same > > symptom - loss of power after about 5 miles or so when you start out > > driving - wait a while and it runs strong until ???? happens and it >loses > > power again.. > > > > > > Oh, by the way, this had happened to Bob before so we had started out >the > > day by installing a heatshield behind the carburetors and were testing >it > > out when the above happened. The engine temperature is good at about >160F. > > > > > > Question, Class: If it's not fuel related, where do we look >electrically? > > The coil??? It does seem hot but I remember my coil being hot on my TC. > > Distributor? Car doesn't misfire or backfire and when it's running > > correctly it runs strong. Vacuum leak somewhere? Suggestions please >on > > how to find it. > > > > > > And, goodness but I hate to admit this - Bob's got a Bishop's Cam >steering > > box in his TC and it's *ALMOST* as good as my Datsun - grin. > > > > > > Thanks all, > > > > > > Gene Gillam > > > 1949 MG TC > > > Saucier, MS > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 4/17/2002 > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

_________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.>

[Donald Wilkinson]

Hey, when are all you guyz gonna quit all this miraculous guesswork, and screw an O2 sensor somewhere in yer exhaust manifolds/pipes & stick a fuel mixture gauge on yer panels (even temporalis fer the authenticity cops)? Then all you gotta worry about is sparks, & spark & valve timing. Don TC7993

>From: David & Joyce Edgar djedgar@pacbell.net> >To: T-ABC list mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Cough Sputter Blah >Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 12:09:46 -0700 > > >Hooked up the Lucas pump to work with the push pump at the tank. > >Ran perfectly again > >I would think this would indicate a fuel supply problem. A low >pressure SU pump should pump 7 1/2 gallons per hour or by my >calculations, one cup in 30 seconds. Does either pump do that alone? >I would measure by disconnecting fuel line at front carb to make sure >whole fuel line is clear. > >One other thought is the filter at the bottom of the petrol tank. >Possible clogging material gets washed off filter by petrol sloshing >around when coming to a stop and you are good for a few miles till >the crud builds up again. I had a similar problem several years ago. >Would run fine, suddenly loose power, and would occasionally gain >power back in short bursts. Cleaned crud out of tank, and the >in-tank filter and we were off like a champ again. I also replaced >my in line filter mounted on my hidden push pump. > >David Edgar, TC 5108 >El Cajon, California > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

_________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

[Donald Wilkinson]

If y'all do unvented gas caps a lot, y'all'l soon have nicely flattened T-series slab tanks that'll hold a liter or two of petrol. (How attractive). Don TC7993

>From: "Peter Ross" boltonmg@attbi.com> >Reply-To: "Peter Ross" boltonmg@attbi.com> >To: "T-ABC List" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Cough Sputter Blah >Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:05:02 -0400 > >I had similar trouble on our PA but it did misfire. I eventually found >that >one carb float chamber was not venting properly. > >If all your cylinders are firing, but weakly, try popping the fuel filler >(gas) cap. You can just lean back as the driver and reach it, but it's >much >safer if a passenger does it. Alternatively, stop, run round the back and >pop it. If the vent is blocked, you'll hear a giant sucking sound as the >tank gulps air. When you have stopped and "let it rest" in your trials, >air >has been seeping in and, when it is up to atmos pressure, away you go >again. >To get home, drive with the cap released. > >It's quite common to reassemble the cap so the small vent hole is non >functional. Also, someone may fashion a gasket to stop fuel sloshing out >and inadvertently seal the tank. > >There are several areas in our fuel system where atmospheric pressure is >fundamental. Fuel tank, float chambers, carb dashpots. > >The PA has a "funny" coil on top of the tank to let air in; then you can >seal the cap completely. > >Cheers, >Peter >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gene Gillam" anngene@bellsouth.net> >To: Martinman006@aol.com>; "mg-tabc List" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 1:30 PM >Subject: [mg-tabc] Cough Sputter Blah > > > > Thinking caps please!! > > > > Went out with my friend Bob Bell yesterday - me driving his TC, him >leading in his TD. About 8 miles down the road the TC started acting like >it was running on two cylinders, no misfire, no backfiring, just a loss of >power. Bob has a modern fuel pump mounted back at the tank, pushing petrol >thru the front Lucas pump, then to the carburetors. Pulled over to the >side >of the road, checked the in-line filter under the tank, looked clean, >pulled >out the filter on the Lucas pump, a bit dirty but not too much, cleaned, >and >restarted the car. Running smooth again with power. > > > > Drove down the road a bit further, same symptoms - loss of power. Coil >very hot compared to the coil in the TD. Let it sit, started up, good >power. Drove maybe a mile and putt-putt - power gone again. Hooked up >the >Lucas pump to work with the push pump at the tank. Ran perfectly again - >until I pulled over and we disconnected the push pump to "see if the push >pump was the problem". Started out using only the Lucas pump - three >miles >down the road and it dies again. Hooked up both pumps and made it the >final >1/2 mile home. > > > > When we got home, I replaced his Lucas pump with a brand new spare - >same >symptom - loss of power after about 5 miles or so when you start out >driving - wait a while and it runs strong until ???? happens and it loses >power again.. > > > > Oh, by the way, this had happened to Bob before so we had started out >the >day by installing a heatshield behind the carburetors and were testing it >out when the above happened. The engine temperature is good at about 160F. > > > > Question, Class: If it's not fuel related, where do we look >electrically? >The coil??? It does seem hot but I remember my coil being hot on my TC. >Distributor? Car doesn't misfire or backfire and when it's running >correctly it runs strong. Vacuum leak somewhere? Suggestions please on >how to find it. > > > > And, goodness but I hate to admit this - Bob's got a Bishop's Cam >steering >box in his TC and it's *ALMOST* as good as my Datsun - grin. > > > > Thanks all, > > > > Gene Gillam > > 1949 MG TC > > Saucier, MS > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 4/17/2002 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

_________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.>

[Donald Wilkinson]

Hey Sam: Fiancee? Never spoke to you again after a relatively minor bad night?(all survived, even the car). Whoa! did the fates ever save yer butt, or what? Don TC7993

>From: "Sam Suklis" ssp15@attbi.com> >To: Martinman006@aol.com>, "mg-tabc List" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>, "Gene >Gillam" anngene@bellsouth.net> >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Cough Sputter Blah >Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:20:44 -0700 > >Hello, Gene: > >...Coil, coil coil!. Been there, done that. Years ago, on the Columbia >gorge, in a raging storm, the final 40 miles to Portland took an eternity >of >going slower and slower, pull over, let the coil cool off, and repeat, with >the intervals between getting shorter and shorter as the coil got weaker. >Took half the night to make the trip. It didn't help to have one of the >famous Columbia gorge wind-gusts take the top, bows and all, and whip the >whole works off the car and into the darkness and and rain. And of course, >the lovely Lucas wiper motor chose to quit the game, which is what they do >best. > >The purpose of that trip had been to meet my fiancee's parents in the >Dalles, Or. she had to crank the wipers the whole way, no top, rain going >by horizontally. She never spoke to me again. Some thing just aren't made >to be. > >Best regards, Sam Suklis. >SS > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gene Gillam" anngene@bellsouth.net> >To: Martinman006@aol.com>; "mg-tabc List" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 10:30 AM >Subject: [mg-tabc] Cough Sputter Blah > > > > Thinking caps please!! > > > > Went out with my friend Bob Bell yesterday - me driving his TC, him >leading in his TD. About 8 miles down the road the TC started acting like >it was running on two cylinders, no misfire, no backfiring, just a loss of >power. Bob has a modern fuel pump mounted back at the tank, pushing petrol >thru the front Lucas pump, then to the carburetors. Pulled over to the >side >of the road, checked the in-line filter under the tank, looked clean, >pulled >out the filter on the Lucas pump, a bit dirty but not too much, cleaned, >and >restarted the car. Running smooth again with power. > > > > Drove down the road a bit further, same symptoms - loss of power. Coil >very hot compared to the coil in the TD. Let it sit, started up, good >power. Drove maybe a mile and putt-putt - power gone again. Hooked up >the >Lucas pump to work with the push pump at the tank. Ran perfectly again - >until I pulled over and we disconnected the push pump to "see if the push >pump was the problem". Started out using only the Lucas pump - three >miles >down the road and it dies again. Hooked up both pumps and made it the >final >1/2 mile home. > > > > When we got home, I replaced his Lucas pump with a brand new spare - >same >symptom - loss of power after about 5 miles or so when you start out >driving - wait a while and it runs strong until ???? happens and it loses >power again.. > > > > Oh, by the way, this had happened to Bob before so we had started out >the >day by installing a heatshield behind the carburetors and were testing it >out when the above happened. The engine temperature is good at about 160F. > > > > Question, Class: If it's not fuel related, where do we look >electrically? >The coil??? It does seem hot but I remember my coil being hot on my TC. >Distributor? Car doesn't misfire or backfire and when it's running >correctly it runs strong. Vacuum leak somewhere? Suggestions please on >how to find it. > > > > And, goodness but I hate to admit this - Bob's got a Bishop's Cam >steering >box in his TC and it's *ALMOST* as good as my Datsun - grin. > > > > Thanks all, > > > > Gene Gillam > > 1949 MG TC > > Saucier, MS > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 4/17/2002 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

_________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

[Sam Suklis]

You got that right. Sam

> Hey Sam: > > Fiancee? Never spoke to you again after a relatively minor bad night?(all > survived, even the car). Whoa! did the fates ever save yer butt, or what? > > Don > TC7993 > > > >From: "Sam Suklis" ssp15@attbi.com> > >To: Martinman006@aol.com>, "mg-tabc List" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>,

"Gene

> >Gillam" anngene@bellsouth.net> > >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Cough Sputter Blah > >Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:20:44 -0700 > > > >Hello, Gene: > > > >...Coil, coil coil!. Been there, done that. Years ago, on the Columbia > >gorge, in a raging storm, the final 40 miles to Portland took an eternity > >of > >going slower and slower, pull over, let the coil cool off, and repeat,

with

> >the intervals between getting shorter and shorter as the coil got weaker. > >Took half the night to make the trip. It didn't help to have one of the > >famous Columbia gorge wind-gusts take the top, bows and all, and whip the > >whole works off the car and into the darkness and and rain. And of

course,

> >the lovely Lucas wiper motor chose to quit the game, which is what they

do

> >best. > > > >The purpose of that trip had been to meet my fiancee's parents in the > >Dalles, Or. she had to crank the wipers the whole way, no top, rain

going

> >by horizontally. She never spoke to me again. Some thing just aren't

made

> >to be. > > > >Best regards, Sam Suklis. > >SS > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Gene Gillam" anngene@bellsouth.net> > >To: Martinman006@aol.com>; "mg-tabc List" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > >Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 10:30 AM > >Subject: [mg-tabc] Cough Sputter Blah > > > > > > > Thinking caps please!! > > > > > > Went out with my friend Bob Bell yesterday - me driving his TC, him > >leading in his TD. About 8 miles down the road the TC started acting

like

> >it was running on two cylinders, no misfire, no backfiring, just a loss

of

> >power. Bob has a modern fuel pump mounted back at the tank, pushing

petrol

> >thru the front Lucas pump, then to the carburetors. Pulled over to the > >side > >of the road, checked the in-line filter under the tank, looked clean, > >pulled > >out the filter on the Lucas pump, a bit dirty but not too much, cleaned, > >and > >restarted the car. Running smooth again with power. > > > > > > Drove down the road a bit further, same symptoms - loss of power.

Coil

> >very hot compared to the coil in the TD. Let it sit, started up, good > >power. Drove maybe a mile and putt-putt - power gone again. Hooked up > >the > >Lucas pump to work with the push pump at the tank. Ran perfectly again - > >until I pulled over and we disconnected the push pump to "see if the push > >pump was the problem". Started out using only the Lucas pump - three > >miles > >down the road and it dies again. Hooked up both pumps and made it the > >final > >1/2 mile home. > > > > > > When we got home, I replaced his Lucas pump with a brand new spare - > >same > >symptom - loss of power after about 5 miles or so when you start out > >driving - wait a while and it runs strong until ???? happens and it loses > >power again.. > > > > > > Oh, by the way, this had happened to Bob before so we had started out > >the > >day by installing a heatshield behind the carburetors and were testing it > >out when the above happened. The engine temperature is good at about

160F.

> > > > > > Question, Class: If it's not fuel related, where do we look > >electrically? > >The coil??? It does seem hot but I remember my coil being hot on my TC. > >Distributor? Car doesn't misfire or backfire and when it's running > >correctly it runs strong. Vacuum leak somewhere? Suggestions please on > >how to find it. > > > > > > And, goodness but I hate to admit this - Bob's got a Bishop's Cam > >steering > >box in his TC and it's *ALMOST* as good as my Datsun - grin. > > > > > > Thanks all, > > > > > > Gene Gillam > > > 1949 MG TC > > > Saucier, MS > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 4/17/2002 > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > >

[i.thomson@talk21.com]

Well Gene, I hate these type of faults. The apparently bigger faults, where the **** thing is totally dead are always easier as you know immediately when you have fixed them i.e. it bursts into life! With these sort of faults you cannot rule out anything, no matter how improbable, and often you can't say it's fixed until it's been running OK for some time. Fault finding here is often a process of elimination and it sounds like you have eliminated the fuel pumps. Just to rule out the fuel system completely though wait until it happens and whip the top off the float chambers to check that they are full. Remember that the fuel level will not be that high without the float on though. As to fuel vaporisation IME it only occurs when hot starting after the engiune has been stopped for a short time, and then it clears eventually. Others may chime in with different experiences though. If all is OK I would turn to the electrics; and here I tend to just replace the plugs and points "on spec". I take this line as 1. If they have just been repaced faulty parts may have introduced the fault. 2. if not then they probably needed replacing anyway. 3. If that doesn't fix the fault then keep the removed parts as spares or for next time. That hot/warm coil would have me suspicious, can you borrow another to try it? Although I have never had any confirmed fixes when replacing the condenser/capacitor, It has to be eliminated (after all they do go wrong sometimes). If you still have the fault you will have to look in more obscure areas (earthing, bonding, water leaks (yes i've seen it), blocked exhaust? The latter is extremely unlikely but as Sherlock Holmes nearly said "when you have eliminated the improbable it must be the impossible" - or something like that. Perhaps our more erudite members know the correct quotation? Good hunting Ian Thomson. -------------------

> Thinking caps please!!

-------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com

[joecurto@aol.com]

Try changing the COIL!!!!!!!!!! Curto [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Donald Wilkinson]

Amen. Don TC7993

>From: joecurto@aol.com >To: djedgar@pacbell.net, mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Cough Sputter Blah >Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:20:09 EDT > >Try changing the COIL!!!!!!!!!! > >Curto > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

_________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

[David Lodge]

>Sam,

Ah! Those Oregon rainstorms! The only thing that hindered my carefree progress on a return trip from Mexico in the big Healey in '76. A real "horizontal"! (Sorry all, way off topic, I know!) All the best, David Lodge Hello, Gene:

> > ...Coil, coil coil!. Been there, done that. Years ago, on the Columbia > gorge, in a raging storm, the final 40 miles to Portland took an eternity of > going slower and slower, pull over, let the coil cool off, and repeat, with > the intervals between getting shorter and shorter as the coil got weaker. > Took half the night to make the trip. It didn't help to have one of the > famous Columbia gorge wind-gusts take the top, bows and all, and whip the > whole works off the car and into the darkness and and rain. And of course, > the lovely Lucas wiper motor chose to quit the game, which is what they do > best. > > The purpose of that trip had been to meet my fiancee's parents in the > Dalles, Or. she had to crank the wipers the whole way, no top, rain going > by horizontally. She never spoke to me again. Some thing just aren't made > to be. > > Best regards, Sam Suklis. > SS > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gene Gillam" anngene@bellsouth.net> > To: Martinman006@aol.com>; "mg-tabc List" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 10:30 AM > Subject: [mg-tabc] Cough Sputter Blah > > >> Thinking caps please!! >> >> Went out with my friend Bob Bell yesterday - me driving his TC, him > leading in his TD. About 8 miles down the road the TC started acting like > it was running on two cylinders, no misfire, no backfiring, just a loss of > power. Bob has a modern fuel pump mounted back at the tank, pushing petrol > thru the front Lucas pump, then to the carburetors. Pulled over to the side > of the road, checked the in-line filter under the tank, looked clean, pulled > out the filter on the Lucas pump, a bit dirty but not too much, cleaned, and > restarted the car. Running smooth again with power. >> >> Drove down the road a bit further, same symptoms - loss of power. Coil > very hot compared to the coil in the TD. Let it sit, started up, good > power. Drove maybe a mile and putt-putt - power gone again. Hooked up the > Lucas pump to work with the push pump at the tank. Ran perfectly again - > until I pulled over and we disconnected the push pump to "see if the push > pump was the problem". Started out using only the Lucas pump - three miles > down the road and it dies again. Hooked up both pumps and made it the final > 1/2 mile home. >> >> When we got home, I replaced his Lucas pump with a brand new spare - same > symptom - loss of power after about 5 miles or so when you start out > driving - wait a while and it runs strong until ???? happens and it loses > power again.. >> >> Oh, by the way, this had happened to Bob before so we had started out the > day by installing a heatshield behind the carburetors and were testing it > out when the above happened. The engine temperature is good at about 160F. >> >> Question, Class: If it's not fuel related, where do we look electrically? > The coil??? It does seem hot but I remember my coil being hot on my TC. > Distributor? Car doesn't misfire or backfire and when it's running > correctly it runs strong. Vacuum leak somewhere? Suggestions please on > how to find it. >> >> And, goodness but I hate to admit this - Bob's got a Bishop's Cam steering > box in his TC and it's *ALMOST* as good as my Datsun - grin. >> >> Thanks all, >> >> Gene Gillam >> 1949 MG TC >> Saucier, MS >> >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 4/17/2002 >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[Chip Hellie]

This is for Gene,.. cough sputter etc. I had an early Morris flathead that got real gut-less when hot. The dist. was like the xpag unit. It turned out to be the condensor. I wouldn't rule out the coil. Of course we do have unleaded fuel now, and if your valve seats have regressed, than when your engine heats up, the valve clearance tightens up also. If the engine sounds nice with no clatter, maybe it wouldn't hurt to check the valve lash hot. Chip Hellie --- i.thomson@talk21.com wrote:

> > Well Gene, I hate these type of faults. The > apparently bigger faults, where the **** thing is > totally dead are always easier as you know > immediately when you have fixed them i.e. it bursts > into life! With these sort of faults you cannot > rule out anything, no matter how improbable, and > often you can't say it's fixed until it's been > running OK for some time. Fault finding here is > often a process of elimination and it sounds like > you have eliminated the fuel pumps. Just to rule > out the fuel system completely though wait until it > happens and whip the top off the float chambers to > check that they are full. Remember that the fuel > level will not be that high without the float on > though. As to fuel vaporisation IME it only occurs > when hot starting after the engiune has been stopped > for a short time, and then it clears eventually. > Others may chime in with different experiences > though. If all is OK I would turn to the electrics; > and here I tend to just replace the plugs and points > "on spec". I take this line as 1. If they have > just been repaced faulty parts may have introduced > the fault. 2. if not then they probably needed > replacing anyway. 3. If that doesn't fix the fault > then keep the removed parts as spares or for next > time. That hot/warm coil would have me suspicious, > can you borrow another to try it? Although I have > never had any confirmed fixes when replacing the > condenser/capacitor, It has to be eliminated (after > all they do go wrong sometimes). If you still have > the fault you will have to look in more obscure > areas (earthing, bonding, water leaks (yes i've seen > it), blocked exhaust? The latter is extremely > unlikely but as Sherlock Holmes nearly said "when > you have eliminated the improbable it must be the > impossible" - or something like that. Perhaps our > more erudite members know the correct quotation? > > Good hunting > Ian Thomson. > > ------------------- > > Thinking caps please!! > > > > -------------------- > talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the > net at http://www.talk21.com > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com