Sidescreen trim

[Chip Old]

On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, tonygoodall wrote:

> I've never heard of this before. None of the frames that I have ever > had ( TA or TC ) have ha countersunk holes or had captive (welded ?) > nuts. I had a set of screens with my TA 42 years ago which I assumed > were the original ones since they were extremely tatty and they had > the acorn nut system. Also, if the nut is captive, how is the chrome > section held on, since it would be impossible to slide it on. I also > think that sliding on is not the correct procedure since the fourth > one to go on is quite a problem. The acorn headed bolt solves this and > eliminates rotation, although the result is the nut on the inside of > the frame (the bolt ends on those that I have had had have been pretty > much flush). Were there two different methods I wonder?

Not sure I follow you. I'm talking about nuts inside the chrome strips, free to slide within the strips so they can be aligned with the holes in the frame. Slotted counter-sunk screws with half-round heads (sometimes called oval heads) go through the frame, through the canvas, and into the nuts to secure the strips and canvas to the frame. -- Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E fold@bcpl.net

[CFritz7001@aol.com]

Chip, When I bought my TC, she was only 5 years old, so I'm pretty darn sure that she still had the original factory top and sidecurtains/screens. The chrome trim strips on these screens were held in place by bolts with specially-shaped heads which slid within the chrome strips. The bolts then went through holes in the fabric, then through the frames, and were secured on the inside of the frames with ordinary hex-head nuts. My frames definitly do NOT have countersunk holes. Once installed, the inner end of the bolts were almost flush with the faces of the nuts, so I'm a bit puzzled by comments from some listers about having caught their clothing on the bolts. I can only guess that they may have had screens that were made from thinner-than-usual fabric. Regards, Carl Fritz TC # 6756 (Betsy) VA # 2009 S (Abigail) Gainesville, Florida

[Chip Old]

On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 CFritz7001@aol.com wrote:

> When I bought my TC, she was only 5 years old, so I'm pretty darn > sure that she still had the original factory top and > sidecurtains/screens. The chrome trim strips on these screens were > held in place by bolts with specially-shaped heads which slid within > the chrome strips. The bolts then went through holes in the fabric, > then through the frames, and were secured on the inside of the frames > with ordinary hex-head nuts. My frames definitly do NOT have > countersunk holes.

Hmmm. So far we've heard about three different sidescreen trim fixing methods, all found on cars close enough to new that it's unlikely they were altered. Does anyone know who made the tops and sidescreens? If they came from several different suppliers, that could explain the differences. -- Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E fold@bcpl.net

[John G. Bulcken IV]

Carl, Could you please post a photo or at least a link to one of what you have to enlighten the rest of us. This is very interesting information...and almost always lost through indifferent "restoration" or more aptly misguided "renovation" ! Cheers, John TB#0398

----- Original Message ----- From: CFritz7001@aol.com> To: fold@bcpl.net>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Sidescreen trim > Chip, > When I bought my TC, she was only 5 years old, so I'm pretty darn sure > that she still had the original factory top and sidecurtains/screens. The > chrome trim strips on these screens were held in place by bolts with > specially-shaped heads which slid within the chrome strips. The bolts then > went through holes in the fabric, then through the frames, and were secured > on the inside of the frames with ordinary hex-head nuts. My frames definitly > do NOT have countersunk holes. > Once installed, the inner end of the bolts were almost flush with the > faces of the nuts, so I'm a bit puzzled by comments from some listers about > having caught their clothing on the bolts. I can only guess that they may > have had screens that were made from thinner-than-usual fabric. > > Regards, > Carl Fritz > TC # 6756 (Betsy) > VA # 2009 S (Abigail) > Gainesville, Florida > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[John G. Bulcken IV]

Good point Chip...I for one would really like to know what would have been on my TB when it rolled off the line as I plan to finally have her back on the road this summer. will we ever know ? I am sure others would also welcome this info. even if some might find it "pedantic". Cheers, John TB#0398

----- Original Message ----- From: "Chip Old" fold@bcpl.net> To: CFritz7001@aol.com> Cc: "MG-TABC" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Sidescreen trim > On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 CFritz7001@aol.com wrote: > > > When I bought my TC, she was only 5 years old, so I'm pretty darn > > sure that she still had the original factory top and > > sidecurtains/screens. The chrome trim strips on these screens were > > held in place by bolts with specially-shaped heads which slid within > > the chrome strips. The bolts then went through holes in the fabric, > > then through the frames, and were secured on the inside of the frames > > with ordinary hex-head nuts. My frames definitly do NOT have > > countersunk holes. > > Hmmm. So far we've heard about three different sidescreen trim fixing > methods, all found on cars close enough to new that it's unlikely they > were altered. Does anyone know who made the tops and sidescreens? If > they came from several different suppliers, that could explain the > differences. > > -- > Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 > Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E > fold@bcpl.net > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[Robert Grunau]

The original sidescreens I have for TC-5302 have the canvas attached exactly as Carl describes.These screens have never been apart. The plastic is yellow and cracked but the rest of the screens are in good shape. Does anybody have a colour code to match the paint? Bob Grunau

On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 CFritz7001@aol.com wrote: > When I bought my TC, she was only 5 years old, so I'm pretty darn > sure that she still had the original factory top and > sidecurtains/screens. The chrome trim strips on these screens were > held in place by bolts with specially-shaped heads which slid within > the chrome strips. The bolts then went through holes in the fabric, > then through the frames, and were secured on the inside of the frames > with ordinary hex-head nuts. My frames definitly do NOT have > countersunk holes. Hmmm. So far we've heard about three different sidescreen trim fixing methods, all found on cars close enough to new that it's unlikely they were altered. Does anyone know who made the tops and sidescreens? If they came from several different suppliers, that could explain the differences. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.319 / Virus Database: 178 - Release Date: 1/28/02

[tonygoodall]

Chip My experience is the same as Carl's, its just that my message was rather garbled; so we probably only have two methods unless anyone can come up with another. Tony TC9825

> From: Chip Old fold@bcpl.net> > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:33:07 -0500 (EST) > To: CFritz7001@aol.com> > Cc: MG-TABC mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Sidescreen trim > > On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 CFritz7001@aol.com wrote: > >> When I bought my TC, she was only 5 years old, so I'm pretty darn >> sure that she still had the original factory top and >> sidecurtains/screens. The chrome trim strips on these screens were >> held in place by bolts with specially-shaped heads which slid within >> the chrome strips. The bolts then went through holes in the fabric, >> then through the frames, and were secured on the inside of the frames >> with ordinary hex-head nuts. My frames definitly do NOT have >> countersunk holes. > > Hmmm. So far we've heard about three different sidescreen trim fixing > methods, all found on cars close enough to new that it's unlikely they > were altered. Does anyone know who made the tops and sidescreens? If > they came from several different suppliers, that could explain the > differences. > > -- > Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 > Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E > fold@bcpl.net > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[Graham Knight]

Dear All, When I first got my car (1972ish) it came with sidescreens constructed by sewing the frame between the two layers of duck. Yet another method, though, since the car was already over 30 years old at the time, quite likely not an original method. Actually I think it is a superior method; no naff strips, no scratchy frames and bolt heads and the whole bundle stacked more compactly. Its a bit difficult to achieve starting from where I am now, however! Graham At 06:18 06/02/02 -0400, Robert Grunau wrote:

>The original sidescreens I have for TC-5302 have the canvas attached >exactly as Carl describes.These screens have never been apart. The plastic >is yellow and cracked but the rest of the screens are in good shape. Does >anybody have a colour code to match the paint? >Bob Grunau > >On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 CFritz7001@aol.com wrote: > > > When I bought my TC, she was only 5 years old, so I'm pretty darn > > sure that she still had the original factory top and > > sidecurtains/screens. The chrome trim strips on these screens were > > held in place by bolts with specially-shaped heads which slid within > > the chrome strips. The bolts then went through holes in the fabric, > > then through the frames, and were secured on the inside of the frames > > with ordinary hex-head nuts. My frames definitly do NOT have > > countersunk holes. > >Hmmm. So far we've heard about three different sidescreen trim fixing >methods, all found on cars close enough to new that it's unlikely they >were altered. Does anyone know who made the tops and sidescreens? If >they came from several different suppliers, that could explain the >differences. > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.319 / Virus Database: 178 - Release Date: 1/28/02 > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Moss Bradford]

DID ANYBODY KNOW THAT WHEN THE CARS WERE BUILT AT ABINGDON THE STRIPS ON THE SIDESCREENS ON THE "MITRED" CORNERS ALSO HAD

AN INTERNAL PIECE THAT JOINED THE CORNERS TOGETHER. CARL ORD (TF OWNER)

[Chip Old]

On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Moss Bradford wrote:

> DID ANYBODY KNOW THAT WHEN THE CARS WERE BUILT AT ABINGDON THE STRIPS > ON THE SIDESCREENS ON THE "MITRED" CORNERS ALSO HAD AN INTERNAL PIECE > THAT JOINED THE CORNERS TOGETHER. CARL ORD (TF OWNER)

That's the way mine are. -- Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E fold@bcpl.net