Early TC engine color & firewall

[joecurto@aol.com]

God Bless You Skip Kelsey. Curto

[Paul Huck]

Does anyone know where I can get some genuine surplus WWII paint ? PTH

----- Original Message ----- From: Skip Kelsey kelsey@shadetreemotors.com> To: avanparys@viperlink.net>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: Early TC engine color & firewall > Terry: > > In 1980, I had Henry Stone and his wife as house guests for about two > weeks. He worked for the factory for forty three years. He told me that > exact story. He said he got a chuckle out of the many restorers who argued > over what was the correct color of enines and firewalls. He said that they > used whatever they could get, and mixed it to an approximate color. He > further said that there is no absolutely "correct" color. And yes they did > use up all the surplus military paint that was left over, after WWII. > > Cheers: > > Skip.............................. > > > At 06:53 AM 4/3/01, avanparys@viperlink.net wrote: > >Bob, > > > > Check past threads on this subject. I tried the Hirsch green on my > >47 TC engine and found it way off from the small spot of original > >paint that I had. My engine was actually a blue-gray color and the > >firewall a light gray. Someone on the list once wrote that they had > >met an individual who claimed that they mixed the paint at the > >factory and that when the paint ran low in the paint pots, they just > >dumped war-surplus paint together until the approximate colour was > >obtained and began painting again - probably the reason there is so > >much controversy on colours and shades whenever this subject comes up. > > > > VR > > Terry Van Parys > > Charleston S.C. > > > >--- In mg-tabc@y..., "Robert Kampas" wrote: > > > O.K. - I guess I'll just have to jump in with both feet. I am new > >to the > > > list (this is actually my first message). I promise that I won't > >upload any > > > long picture files or purposely do anything that gets a lot of > >people upset. > > > But since I am restoring a 1947 TC I can see the value of the list > >and am > > > pleased that such a resource exists at all. Now - this is my first > >(and > > > might be my only) endeavor at restoring a vehicle so I want to do > >it right > > > the first time. Despite the controversy as to whether one should > >be overly > > > concerned about the correct placement of lift the dots or other > >such things > > > like perhaps the color of an engine block or firewall (Mr. Badger's > > > comment), I for one would like to know and have a use for such > >information. > > > > > > Now that I've got that off my chest, I really am trying to pin down > >the > > > color that the engine block of a 47 TC should be. So far I have > >had two > > > respectable sources give me two different answers. Mike Sherrells' > >book TCs > > > Forever quotes a "British Std 638, Dark Sea Grey". A respected > >restorer in > > > my area has directed me to an "MG Green" available from Hirsch > >Automotive. > > > My engine is currently being rebuilt, and it will eventually be > >painted. > > > Since I am anly going to do it once it may as well be painted as > >close to > > > what it had been in 1947. Does anybody have any further > >information on > > > this? I may as well ask about the color of my firewall (skuttle) > >while I'm > > > at it. Hope this wasn't too long. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Bob K- > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[Robert Kampas]

I never imagined that such a simple question would bring such a blight of sarcasm. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Huck [mailto:paulhuck@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 8:29 PM To: avanparys@viperlink.net; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com; Skip Kelsey Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: Early TC engine color & firewall Does anyone know where I can get some genuine surplus WWII paint ? PTH

----- Original Message ----- From: Skip Kelsey kelsey@shadetreemotors.com> To: avanparys@viperlink.net>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: Early TC engine color & firewall > Terry: > > In 1980, I had Henry Stone and his wife as house guests for about two > weeks. He worked for the factory for forty three years. He told me that > exact story. He said he got a chuckle out of the many restorers who argued > over what was the correct color of enines and firewalls. He said that they > used whatever they could get, and mixed it to an approximate color. He > further said that there is no absolutely "correct" color. And yes they did > use up all the surplus military paint that was left over, after WWII. > > Cheers: > > Skip.............................. > > > At 06:53 AM 4/3/01, avanparys@viperlink.net wrote: > >Bob, > > > > Check past threads on this subject. I tried the Hirsch green on my > >47 TC engine and found it way off from the small spot of original > >paint that I had. My engine was actually a blue-gray color and the > >firewall a light gray. Someone on the list once wrote that they had > >met an individual who claimed that they mixed the paint at the > >factory and that when the paint ran low in the paint pots, they just > >dumped war-surplus paint together until the approximate colour was > >obtained and began painting again - probably the reason there is so > >much controversy on colours and shades whenever this subject comes up. > > > > VR > > Terry Van Parys > > Charleston S.C. > > > >--- In mg-tabc@y..., "Robert Kampas" wrote: > > > O.K. - I guess I'll just have to jump in with both feet. I am new > >to the > > > list (this is actually my first message). I promise that I won't > >upload any > > > long picture files or purposely do anything that gets a lot of > >people upset. > > > But since I am restoring a 1947 TC I can see the value of the list > >and am > > > pleased that such a resource exists at all. Now - this is my first > >(and > > > might be my only) endeavor at restoring a vehicle so I want to do > >it right > > > the first time. Despite the controversy as to whether one should > >be overly > > > concerned about the correct placement of lift the dots or other > >such things > > > like perhaps the color of an engine block or firewall (Mr. Badger's > > > comment), I for one would like to know and have a use for such > >information. > > > > > > Now that I've got that off my chest, I really am trying to pin down > >the > > > color that the engine block of a 47 TC should be. So far I have > >had two > > > respectable sources give me two different answers. Mike Sherrells' > >book TCs > > > Forever quotes a "British Std 638, Dark Sea Grey". A respected > >restorer in > > > my area has directed me to an "MG Green" available from Hirsch > >Automotive. > > > My engine is currently being rebuilt, and it will eventually be > >painted. > > > Since I am anly going to do it once it may as well be painted as > >close to > > > what it had been in 1947. Does anybody have any further > >information on > > > this? I may as well ask about the color of my firewall (skuttle) > >while I'm > > > at it. Hope this wasn't too long. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Bob K- > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[LuckyFloridaLin@aol.com]

Dear Robert; Just in good fun and you ain't seen nothing yet!!!! Tally Ho! Thom Collins

[C Sherriff]

Message text written by "Paul Huck"

>Does anyone know where I can get some genuine surplus WWII paint ?

====================================================== Hi Paul, If its provenance is to be as loose as its specification was - I can sell you lots But its not cheap!!!! Clive

[Larry Cogan]

Well now the problem there is that when talking to an old Royal Navy veteran, he told me that after chipping and scraping on the corvette (boat, not car), they just used what was at hand and the "colours" were by no means standard between batches....... Wonder if there are any color chips available from the Royal Navy archives? Larry (stressing over my 47 TC with body color firewall and red engine)

----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Huck paulhuck@bellsouth.net> To: avanparys@viperlink.net>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>; Skip Kelsey kelsey@shadetreemotors.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: Early TC engine color & firewall > Does anyone know where I can get some genuine surplus WWII paint ? > > PTH > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Skip Kelsey kelsey@shadetreemotors.com> > To: avanparys@viperlink.net>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:59 AM > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] Re: Early TC engine color & firewall > > > > Terry: > > > > In 1980, I had Henry Stone and his wife as house guests for about two > > weeks. He worked for the factory for forty three years. He told me that > > exact story. He said he got a chuckle out of the many restorers who argued > > over what was the correct color of enines and firewalls. He said that they > > used whatever they could get, and mixed it to an approximate color. He > > further said that there is no absolutely "correct" color. And yes they did > > use up all the surplus military paint that was left over, after WWII. > > > > Cheers: > > > > Skip.............................. > > > > > > At 06:53 AM 4/3/01, avanparys@viperlink.net wrote: > > >Bob, > > > > > > Check past threads on this subject. I tried the Hirsch green on my > > >47 TC engine and found it way off from the small spot of original > > >paint that I had. My engine was actually a blue-gray color and the > > >firewall a light gray. Someone on the list once wrote that they had > > >met an individual who claimed that they mixed the paint at the > > >factory and that when the paint ran low in the paint pots, they just > > >dumped war-surplus paint together until the approximate colour was > > >obtained and began painting again - probably the reason there is so > > >much controversy on colours and shades whenever this subject comes up. > > > > > > VR > > > Terry Van Parys > > > Charleston S.C. > > > > > >--- In mg-tabc@y..., "Robert Kampas" wrote: > > > > O.K. - I guess I'll just have to jump in with both feet. I am new > > >to the > > > > list (this is actually my first message). I promise that I won't > > >upload any > > > > long picture files or purposely do anything that gets a lot of > > >people upset. > > > > But since I am restoring a 1947 TC I can see the value of the list > > >and am > > > > pleased that such a resource exists at all. Now - this is my first > > >(and > > > > might be my only) endeavor at restoring a vehicle so I want to do > > >it right > > > > the first time. Despite the controversy as to whether one should > > >be overly > > > > concerned about the correct placement of lift the dots or other > > >such things > > > > like perhaps the color of an engine block or firewall (Mr. Badger's > > > > comment), I for one would like to know and have a use for such > > >information. > > > > > > > > Now that I've got that off my chest, I really am trying to pin down > > >the > > > > color that the engine block of a 47 TC should be. So far I have > > >had two > > > > respectable sources give me two different answers. Mike Sherrells' > > >book TCs > > > > Forever quotes a "British Std 638, Dark Sea Grey". A respected > > >restorer in > > > > my area has directed me to an "MG Green" available from Hirsch > > >Automotive. > > > > My engine is currently being rebuilt, and it will eventually be > > >painted. > > > > Since I am anly going to do it once it may as well be painted as > > >close to > > > > what it had been in 1947. Does anybody have any further > > >information on > > > > this? I may as well ask about the color of my firewall (skuttle) > > >while I'm > > > > at it. Hope this wasn't too long. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Bob K- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[mrbadger]

Paul Huck wrote: "Does anyone know where I can get some genuine surplus WWII paint ?" I have it on good authority that the Rustoleum gray at your local Ace hardware store is made from reconstituted pigment which has been carefully hand sanded off of mothballed WWII battleships by legions of trained chimps equipped with palm sanders and ear plugs. Keep it under your hat Paul, if those T-ABC guys find out, the Rustoleum gray will disappear off the shelves faster than bread and milk before a hurricane.