Re: [mg-tabc] Engine rebuild woes

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Chip Old
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Re: [mg-tabc] Engine rebuild woes

Post by Chip Old » Fri Apr 14, 2000 6:19 am

On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Glenda Nelson wrote to 'MG TABC list':
> After relacing nearly every reciprocating part in my well-worn TC xpag
> engine, we discovered, after machining for new sleeves, that the block
> is badly corroded and beyond repair (apparently not uncommon). I have
> owned 4195 for 17 years and have always used an engine coolant
> concentrate, mixing 1/3 to 2/3 water as directed.
Corroded beyond repair? Not uncommon? Unless the machinist who told you
that has extensive experience with the XPAG engine, don't believe
it. Where is this corrosion? How was it discovered? Your message was
short on details, but it sounds like the boring tool may have broken
through the cylinder wall and into the water jacket while boring the block
to accept sleeves. That isn't unknown, but I wouldn't call it common
UNLESS the machinist was planning to use thick-wall sleeves necessitating
an unusually large overbore. How much water jacket was exposed? You may
still be able to sleeve the block safely.

Did you flush the cooling system and install new coolant (at least a 50%
solution) every couple of years? If so, you shouldn't blame yourself or
the coolant. As I'm sure you know, coolant doesn't lose its anti-freeze
capability over time but it does lose it's ability to prevent corrosion.
If you don't change it every couple of years, you're in trouble.

You also don't know how the cooling system was maintained during the first
45 years of the car's life. Back when these cars were new alcohol-based
antifreeze was still popular, although not recommended by car
manufacturers, and it had no anti-corrosion properties. It was also still
common practice to drain the antifreeze in the Spring and run on plain
water from then until Fall. Or maybe the previous owner(s) just never
bothered to flush and refill on a regular basis.

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Skip Kelsey
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Re: [mg-tabc] Engine rebuild woes

Post by Skip Kelsey » Fri Apr 14, 2000 7:45 am

Ian::

I came across a product several years ago that has totally STOPPED
corrosion in all of my engines and cooling systems. It is used by the
trucking and fleet industry. It is called "Nalcool 3000". Napa auto parts
stores carry a similar product called "Napa Cool". You follow the
directions on the bottle and voila, no more corrosion. I use just about
nothing but water and this additive in my cars, as we dont suffer from the
extreme cold out here in sunny California. At least not where I am.
Traditional anti-freeze "coolant" is really not a coolant. It lowers the
freeze temp and offers minimal anti corrosion properties.
I also use Redline Water Wetter in the prescribed ammount to enhance the
transfer of heat from the block to the coolant. This also has some anti
corrosion properties.
I put about 5-6 ounces of the Napa cool in to the radiator every year.
I have seen no signs of corrosion of my core plugs,Aluminum thermostat
housing, or anything else. I have been using this product for about fifteen
years.

Try it, You will like it!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers:

Skip Kelsey......................

At 02:12 PM 4/14/00 +-1000, Glenda Nelson wrote:
>After relacing nearly every reciprocating part in my well-worn TC xpag
engine, we discovered, after machining for new sleeves, that the block is
badly corroded and beyond repair (apparently not uncommon). I have owned
4195 for 17 years and have always used an engine coolant concentrate,
mixing 1/3 to 2/3 water as directed.
>
>The label states that the coolant consists of Ethylene Glycol 96% and
corrosive inhibitors (does not qualify which are used), suitable for cast
iron or aluminium. It always looked a lovely lime green colour in the
radiator, but obviously did not work!
>
>Can someone suggest a more efficient coolant/corrosive inhibitor?
>
>Cheers
>
>Ian Nelson
>
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JTPAKI@aol.com
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Re: [mg-tabc] Engine rebuild woes

Post by JTPAKI@aol.com » Fri Apr 14, 2000 8:31 am

Ian:

I posted a thread a while back about a synthetic coolant that uses NO water
at all. I will be tying this stuff in my TC this summer. All water must be
removed from the system. Time will tell how this stuff treats my engine.
One could assume that since there is no water in there, there will be no
corrosion. This stuff is mostly used in racing applications and has a boil
point of 360 degrees F. (another advantage for non-pressurized systems).

Beyond that, I have installed a zinc plug in my radiator of my MGB with an
aluminum motor. The electrolysis attacks the zinc instead of the aluminum or
cast iron, and when the plug is gone you stick another one in. This is why
ships attach zinc bars to the hulls.

Joe Potter

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