Re: electric fuel pumps (on TC's)

[Donald Wilkinson]

Hey Doug: Prudence dictates that one should mount a good pump (digitaldon favors the holley red pump), mounted at the rear, ala TF, and pumping thru the SU on the scuttle. That way, one is assured of always having an adequate fuel supply. Don TC 7993 Grand Island NY USA

[Rick Waters]

You know, I get tired of hearing about things like SU pumps failing so often that you need a second pump hidden away somewhere. My SU has never failed in the 18 years I've driven the car. In addition, the Regulator/cut out has not malfunctioned, and neither has the ignition system. I've not had a generator failure, but I will admit that after rebuilding the XPAG, the old starter gave up the ghost. Are the circa 1940s English auto electrics so bad? My experience has been quite positive. -Rick, TC 7881 Donald Wilkinson digitaldon@hotmail.com> wrote: Hey Doug: Prudence dictates that one should mount a good pump (digitaldon favors the holley red pump), mounted at the rear, ala TF, and pumping thru the SU on the scuttle. That way, one is assured of always having an adequate fuel supply. Don TC 7993 Grand Island NY USA Yahoo! Groups Links -Rick Waters __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[murray arundell]

Rick, So long as your Lucas unit is in good shape you've no need to bother with those rat-a-tat-tat units. My TC runs a Lucas and I have never had an ounce of trouble with it. Its like everything else, keep it well maintained and it will go the distance. Cheers - Murray Arundell -----Original Message----- From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paroor Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 3:18 PM To: Rick Waters; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: AW: [mg-tabc] electric fuel pumps (on TC's) Hi Rick, I'm 60+ and never went to dentist for last 40 years except few times for cleaning and polishing. Got still all my original second set of teeth what God gave me. It is still in good shape with out any damage. May be because I am from the healthy but poor third world. With the Lucas electric is very similar. First of all you had to have luck, then you had to do some maintenance and service to keep them healthy. But certain things like aging/wear you are helpless. But regular maintenance can save a lot of headache and prolong the life. By the way I was not able to overhaul the TC 0448 SU pump yet. Borrowed one from David Tasa for trial start of engine. Have a nice day. Madhu -----Urspr ngliche Nachricht----- Von: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Rick Waters Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. Juni 2005 06:48 You know, I get tired of hearing about things like SU pumps failing so often that you need a second pump hidden away somewhere. My SU has never failed in the 18 years I've driven the car. In addition, the Regulator/cut out has not malfunctioned, and neither has the ignition system. I've not had a generator failure, but I will admit that after rebuilding the XPAG, the old starter gave up the ghost. Are the circa 1940s English auto electrics so bad? My experience has been quite positive. -Rick, TC 7881 Yahoo! Groups Links

[Peter Cole]

Murray, Just for the record the T Series fuel pumps were made by SU, not Lucas. Like just about everything else on our cars if it's set up properly it will operate faultlessly for many years. Incidentally why do our American cousins love to snipe about Lucas? I was in Atlanta once and one of the guys I was with told a joke that had everyone falling about laughing. It went something like: Q. Why do Brits like warm beer? A. Because Lucas make their refrigerators! Very amusing, but wrong on both counts. Peter Cole. Murray Arundell wrote:

>Rick, > >So long as your Lucas unit is in good shape you've no need to bother >with those rat-a-tat-tat units. My TC runs a Lucas and I have never had >an ounce of trouble with it. Its like everything else, keep it well >maintained and it will go the distance. > >Cheers - Murray Arundell > >-----Original Message----- >From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf >Of Paroor >Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 3:18 PM >To: Rick Waters; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com >Subject: AW: [mg-tabc] electric fuel pumps (on TC's) > > >Hi Rick, > I'm 60+ and never went to dentist for last 40 years except few >times for cleaning and polishing. Got still all my original second set >of teeth what God gave me. It is still in good shape with out any >damage. May be because I am from the healthy but poor third world. > > With the Lucas electric is very similar. First of all you had to >have luck, then you had to do some maintenance and service to keep them >healthy. But certain things like aging/wear you are helpless. But >regular maintenance can save a lot of headache and prolong the life. > >By the way I was not able to overhaul the TC 0448 SU pump yet. Borrowed >one from David Tasa for trial start of engine. > >Have a nice day. > >Madhu > > >-----Urspr ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag >von Rick Waters >Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. Juni 2005 06:48 > > >You know, I get tired of hearing about things like SU pumps failing so >often that you need a second pump hidden away somewhere. > >My SU has never failed in the 18 years I've driven the car. In addition, >the Regulator/cut out has not malfunctioned, and neither has the >ignition system. I've not had a generator failure, but I will admit that >after rebuilding the XPAG, the old starter gave up the ghost. > >Are the circa 1940s English auto electrics so bad? My experience has >been quite positive. > >-Rick, TC 7881 > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

[murray arundell]

Peter, You're of course quite correct. They are SU units which I'd not fogotten, simply confused with Lucas. We've got the same jokes here, indeed I've been guilty of telling more than one of them. Even MGs themselves have a bad rep in some circles for reliability. But if you go out and by an old MGB or such like and expect the 30 year old thing to be trouble free you'll be disappointed. But you've heard I suspect that Count Magenti Mirelli is the illigitimate son of Joseph Lucas? Cheers - Murray Murray, Just for the record the T Series fuel pumps were made by SU, not Lucas. Like just about everything else on our cars if it's set up properly it will operate faultlessly for many years. Incidentally why do our American cousins love to snipe about Lucas? I was in Atlanta once and one of the guys I was with told a joke that had everyone falling about laughing. It went something like: Q. Why do Brits like warm beer? A. Because Lucas make their refrigerators! Very amusing, but wrong on both counts. Peter Cole. Murray Arundell wrote:

>Rick, > >So long as your Lucas unit is in good shape you've no need to bother >with those rat-a-tat-tat units. My TC runs a Lucas and I have never >had an ounce of trouble with it. Its like everything else, keep it >well maintained and it will go the distance. > >Cheers - Murray Arundell > >-----Original Message----- >From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of Paroor >Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 3:18 PM >To: Rick Waters; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com >Subject: AW: [mg-tabc] electric fuel pumps (on TC's) > > >Hi Rick, > I'm 60+ and never went to dentist for last 40 years except few >times for cleaning and polishing. Got still all my original second set >of teeth what God gave me. It is still in good shape with out any >damage. May be because I am from the healthy but poor third world. > > With the Lucas electric is very similar. First of all you had to

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>luck, then you had to do some maintenance and service to keep them >healthy. But certain things like aging/wear you are helpless. But >regular maintenance can save a lot of headache and prolong the life. > >By the way I was not able to overhaul the TC 0448 SU pump yet. Borrowed >one from David Tasa for trial start of engine. > >Have a nice day. > >Madhu > > >-----Urspr ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag >von Rick Waters >Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. Juni 2005 06:48 > > >You know, I get tired of hearing about things like SU pumps failing so >often that you need a second pump hidden away somewhere. > >My SU has never failed in the 18 years I've driven the car. In >addition, the Regulator/cut out has not malfunctioned, and neither has >the ignition system. I've not had a generator failure, but I will admit >that after rebuilding the XPAG, the old starter gave up the ghost. > >Are the circa 1940s English auto electrics so bad? My experience has >been quite positive. > >-Rick, TC 7881 > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >

[David Lodge]

Hear, hear! Regards, David Lodge ----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----- From: "Peter Cole" peter.cole@onetel.net> To: "Murray Arundell" arundell@ghs.com.au> Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] electric fuel pumps (on TC's) Date: 22.6.2005 - 9:01:39

> Murray, > > Just for the record the T Series fuel pumps were made > by SU, not Lucas. > Like just about everything else on our cars if it's set > up properly it > will operate faultlessly for many years. > > Incidentally why do our American cousins love to snipe > about Lucas? I > was in Atlanta once and one of the guys I was with told > a joke that had > everyone falling about laughing. It went something > like: Q. Why do > Brits like warm beer? A. Because Lucas make their > refrigerators! > > Very amusing, but wrong on both counts. > > Peter Cole. > > > Murray Arundell wrote: > > >Rick, > > > >So long as your Lucas unit is in good shape you've no > >need to bother > >with those rat-a-tat-tat units. My TC runs a Lucas > >and I have never had > >an ounce of trouble with it. Its like everything > >else, keep it well > >maintained and it will go the distance. > > > >Cheers - Murray Arundell > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com > >[mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > >Of Paroor > >Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 3:18 PM > >To: Rick Waters; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: AW: [mg-tabc] electric fuel pumps (on TC's) > > > > > >Hi Rick, > > I'm 60+ and never went to dentist for last 40 > > years except few > >times for cleaning and polishing. Got still all my > >original second set > >of teeth what God gave me. It is still in good shape > >with out any > >damage. May be because I am from the healthy but poor > >third world. > > > > With the Lucas electric is very similar. First of all > > you had to > >have luck, then you had to do some maintenance and > >service to keep them > >healthy. But certain things like aging/wear you are > >helpless. But > >regular maintenance can save a lot of headache and > >prolong the life. > > > >By the way I was not able to overhaul the TC 0448 SU > >pump yet. Borrowed > >one from David Tasa for trial start of engine. > > > >Have a nice day. > > > >Madhu > > > > > >-----Urspr ngliche Nachricht----- > >Von: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com > >[mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag > >von Rick Waters > >Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. Juni 2005 06:48 > > > > > >You know, I get tired of hearing about things like SU > >pumps failing so > >often that you need a second pump hidden away > >somewhere. > > > >My SU has never failed in the 18 years I've driven the > >car. In addition, > >the Regulator/cut out has not malfunctioned, and > >neither has the > >ignition system. I've not had a generator failure, but > >I will admit that > >after rebuilding the XPAG, the old starter gave up the > >ghost. > > > >Are the circa 1940s English auto electrics so bad? My > >experience has > >been quite positive. > > > >-Rick, TC 7881 > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

[Jeff Redman]

G'day Rick.. I couldn't agree more! Resorting to second fuel pump is a cop out. Fix the SU properly in the first instance... and it will give years of faithful service. Lucas, and to a lesser extent SU, have been the target for too many cheap shots. For over 40 years mucking about with old MG's, Lucas and S, have proved almost foolproof... and on that score I rate highly... resistant to many of my 'now-let's-see'just-what-happens-if-I-just-bridge-across-this-little-thi ngo' type of curious pokes with the screwdriver. However... The 1970's is a different matter. I've given examples here before of the junky switchgear and the likes experienced on my little lady's MGBGTV8. Past ownership of FIATS and Lancias also exposed me to the dreaded Magneti Morelli. Now there's another story... a manufacturer that makes Joe Lucas positively shine! JR -----Original Message----- From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Waters Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 2:48 PM To: Donald Wilkinson; DougPulver@aol.com; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] electric fuel pumps (on TC's) You know, I get tired of hearing about things like SU pumps failing so often that you need a second pump hidden away somewhere. My SU has never failed in the 18 years I've driven the car. In addition, the Regulator/cut out has not malfunctioned, and neither has the ignition system. I've not had a generator failure, but I will admit that after rebuilding the XPAG, the old starter gave up the ghost. Are the circa 1940s English auto electrics so bad? My experience has been quite positive. -Rick, TC 7881 Donald Wilkinson digitaldon@hotmail.com> wrote: Hey Doug: Prudence dictates that one should mount a good pump (digitaldon favors the holley red pump), mounted at the rear, ala TF, and pumping thru the SU on the scuttle. That way, one is assured of always having an adequate fuel supply. Don TC 7993 Grand Island NY USA Yahoo! Groups Links -Rick Waters __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links

[1939mgtb]

Not all of us do. I have found Lucas equipment to be VERY dependable if only the required maintenance is done. Best, Ray "Much can be achieved with a smile. However, much more can be achieved with a smile and a gun."

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Cole" peter.cole@onetel.net> To: "Murray Arundell" arundell@ghs.com.au> Cc: "'Paroor'" paroor@t-online.de>; "'Rick Waters'" rwmgtc@yahoo.ca>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 2:01 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] electric fuel pumps (on TC's) > Murray, > > Just for the record the T Series fuel pumps were made by SU, not Lucas. > Like just about everything else on our cars if it's set up properly it > will operate faultlessly for many years. > > Incidentally why do our American cousins love to snipe about Lucas? I > was in Atlanta once and one of the guys I was with told a joke that had > everyone falling about laughing. It went something like: Q. Why do > Brits like warm beer? A. Because Lucas make their refrigerators! > > Very amusing, but wrong on both counts. > > Peter Cole. > > > Murray Arundell wrote: > >>Rick, >> >>So long as your Lucas unit is in good shape you've no need to bother >>with those rat-a-tat-tat units. My TC runs a Lucas and I have never had >>an ounce of trouble with it. Its like everything else, keep it well >>maintained and it will go the distance. >> >>Cheers - Murray Arundell >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf >>Of Paroor >>Sent: Wednesday, 22 June 2005 3:18 PM >>To: Rick Waters; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com >>Subject: AW: [mg-tabc] electric fuel pumps (on TC's) >> >> >>Hi Rick, >> I'm 60+ and never went to dentist for last 40 years except few >>times for cleaning and polishing. Got still all my original second set >>of teeth what God gave me. It is still in good shape with out any >>damage. May be because I am from the healthy but poor third world. >> >> With the Lucas electric is very similar. First of all you had to >>have luck, then you had to do some maintenance and service to keep them >>healthy. But certain things like aging/wear you are helpless. But >>regular maintenance can save a lot of headache and prolong the life. >> >>By the way I was not able to overhaul the TC 0448 SU pump yet. Borrowed >>one from David Tasa for trial start of engine. >> >>Have a nice day. >> >>Madhu >> >> >>-----Urspr ngliche Nachricht----- >>Von: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag >>von Rick Waters >>Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. Juni 2005 06:48 >> >> >>You know, I get tired of hearing about things like SU pumps failing so >>often that you need a second pump hidden away somewhere. >> >>My SU has never failed in the 18 years I've driven the car. In addition, >>the Regulator/cut out has not malfunctioned, and neither has the >>ignition system. I've not had a generator failure, but I will admit that >>after rebuilding the XPAG, the old starter gave up the ghost. >> >>Are the circa 1940s English auto electrics so bad? My experience has >>been quite positive. >> >>-Rick, TC 7881 >> >> >> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[rmeismer1@aol.com]

Is there anything that will cut of the pumps off if you get in an accident? The later cars have an inertia switch that stops the fuel pump. Do think that we should add these to our cars? Rolland Meismer Burlington,Iowa 1947 TC #3409--1951 TD #5522 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[sculptart@aol.com]

In a message dated 6/29/2005 4:34:33 PM Mountain Standard Time, rmeismer1@aol.com writes: Is there anything that will cut of the pumps off if you get in an accident? The later cars have an inertia switch that stops the fuel pump. Do think that we should add these to our cars? Rolland, Yeah, it's the ignition switch. After an accident and just before your heart stops beating, reach up with your left hand and turn the key. Happy accident free motoring! Ben TC 4260 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]