List content - Loud Pub

[Peter Pleitner]

Thanks Bill, Terry and especially Mike, Now listen up you Whitworth Heads, Excessive off-topic commentary is getting to be a drag. Don't you bull shitters have a garage to clean up? Get your fingers greasy more often and keep them off the key board until you can help someone or need advise. As much as we all enjoy pub chatter from time to time, this forum simply does not support the atmosphere nor serves the libation to really pull it off successfully. Its getting to be like a very loud pub. I too am about to retreat after three or four years of diminishing returns. All of us have the drastic option to elect no delivery by Yahoo, while retaining the privilege of reading and sending mail from this group's web site. Possibly Jim or Chip could instruct the membership on this. By doing this we could tap into this community of TABCers when we need them. But the likelihood of extracting useful information in a noisy pub will diminish as this process cascades. And we won't be around to contribute much, just extract. I've run a forum like this since 1999 on eGroups then Yahoo for Alfa Giuliettas and Giulias and I control membership. I do not allow chatter. Every message has to have useful Alfa content or an Alfa related inquiry. Over three hundred members are happy about my policy. For Alfisti who need to chit chat, they can participate on the Alfa-digest. Likewise there are enough general MG sites around to serve our membership without a pub. My observation is that once a forum such as this gets to be bigger than say 50 to 150, a mob mentality takes control unless control is exerted by the owner. Walter provided that leadership in the beginning. But then the number of members and the traffic became too expensive in time and money for him to bother supporting and managing us. Either someone step up to be our sergeant at arms, or in a couple of years this forum will be controlled by the chattiest common denominator. Bottom line, too much chatter will ruin what used to be a good thing. Not so cheerful, Peter -----Original Message----- From: Bill Andersen [mailto:hbgandy@attbi.com] Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:58 PM To: mike.card@mcmg.freeserve.co.uk; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com; Donald Wilkinson Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] List content I disagree with Wilkinson, and heartily agree with Card. I joined MG-TABC to learn as much specific info as I can glean from fellow members, to share in specific tips/advice re maintenance, upkeep, restoration, history, etc. I did NOT join to be assaulted with meaningless garbage from guys that have nothing better to do than clog the internet every day with gossip or needling that has no relevance to the cars. If this continues, I'm outa here. hbgandy@attbi.com>

----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Wilkinson" digitaldon@hotmail.com> To: mike.card@mcmg.freeserve.co.uk>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] List content > gettasensa yuma. > > Don > > > >From: "Michael Card" mike.card@mcmg.freeserve.co.uk> > >To: "mgtabc" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: [mg-tabc] List content > >Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 06:43:59 +0100 > > > >Can someone please explain what all this rubbish email has to do with a > >list devoted to MG TABC? > > > >Mike Card > >Surrey, England > >TC8233, TC9477 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Sam Suklis > > To: BADGER ; mgtabc ; Ray > > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 3:14 AM > > Subject: Re: Re: [mg-tabc] Age test! NO LBC CONTENT > > > > > > Badger: > > > > Is that your Aston in the auction? > > > > Sam > > SS > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ray" Spook01@comcast.net> > > To: "BADGER" mrbadger@cox.net>; "mgtabc" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 6:45 PM > > Subject: Re: Re: [mg-tabc] Age test! NO LBC CONTENT > > > > > > > > > > > > > go out and buy something decent. > > > > I don't know why I didn't think of that 40 years ago > > > > > > Badger > > > > > > Uhhhhhhhh, was that you in the Yugo with Penthouse Playmate photos > >glued > > > all over it??????? And if it wasn't, how come you ducked when we > >waved? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Chip Old]

On Mon, 13 May 2002, Peter Pleitner wrote:

> [snip] > Possibly Jim or Chip could instruct the membership on this. > [snip]

Whoa there, Peter. I have nothing to do with the running of the MG-TABC list. I think you mean "Jim or Walter". -- Chip Old 1948 M.G. TC TC6710 XPAG7430 NEMGTR #2271 Cub Hill, Maryland 1962 Triumph TR4 CT3154LO CT3479E fold@bcpl.net

[kwcp]

Peter & All: I concur wholeheartedly. Enough BS. Let's stick to what we joined for! Ken TC 4147 Peter Pleitner wrote:

> Thanks Bill, Terry and especially Mike, > > Now listen up you Whitworth Heads, > > Excessive off-topic commentary is getting to be a drag. Don't you bull > shitters have a garage to clean up? Get your fingers greasy more often and > keep them off the key board until you can help someone or need advise. As > much as we all enjoy pub chatter from time to time, this forum simply does > not support the atmosphere nor serves the libation to really pull it off > successfully. Its getting to be like a very loud pub. > > I too am about to retreat after three or four years of diminishing returns. > All of us have the drastic option to elect no delivery by Yahoo, while > retaining the privilege of reading and sending mail from this group's web > site. Possibly Jim or Chip could instruct the membership on this. By doing > this we could tap into this community of TABCers when we need them. But the > likelihood of extracting useful information in a noisy pub will diminish as > this process cascades. And we won't be around to contribute much, just > extract. > > I've run a forum like this since 1999 on eGroups then Yahoo for Alfa > Giuliettas and Giulias and I control membership. I do not allow chatter. > Every message has to have useful Alfa content or an Alfa related inquiry. > Over three hundred members are happy about my policy. For Alfisti who need > to chit chat, they can participate on the Alfa-digest. Likewise there are > enough general MG sites around to serve our membership without a pub. > > My observation is that once a forum such as this gets to be bigger than say > 50 to 150, a mob mentality takes control unless control is exerted by the > owner. Walter provided that leadership in the beginning. But then the > number of members and the traffic became too expensive in time and money for > him to bother supporting and managing us. Either someone step up to be our > sergeant at arms, or in a couple of years this forum will be controlled by > the chattiest common denominator. > > Bottom line, too much chatter will ruin what used to be a good thing. > > Not so cheerful, Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Andersen [mailto:hbgandy@attbi.com] > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:58 PM > To: mike.card@mcmg.freeserve.co.uk; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com; Donald > Wilkinson > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] List content > > I disagree with Wilkinson, and heartily agree with Card. I joined MG-TABC to > learn as much specific info as I can glean from fellow members, to share in > specific tips/advice re maintenance, upkeep, restoration, history, etc. I > did NOT join to be assaulted with meaningless garbage from guys that have > nothing better to do than clog the internet every day with gossip or > needling that has no relevance to the cars. If this continues, I'm outa > here. hbgandy@attbi.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donald Wilkinson" digitaldon@hotmail.com> > To: mike.card@mcmg.freeserve.co.uk>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 10:25 AM > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] List content > > > gettasensa yuma. > > > > Don > > > > > > >From: "Michael Card" mike.card@mcmg.freeserve.co.uk> > > >To: "mgtabc" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > > >Subject: [mg-tabc] List content > > >Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 06:43:59 +0100 > > > > > >Can someone please explain what all this rubbish email has to do with a > > >list devoted to MG TABC? > > > > > >Mike Card > > >Surrey, England > > >TC8233, TC9477 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Sam Suklis > > > To: BADGER ; mgtabc ; Ray > > > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 3:14 AM > > > Subject: Re: Re: [mg-tabc] Age test! NO LBC CONTENT > > > > > > > > > Badger: > > > > > > Is that your Aston in the auction? > > > > > > Sam > > > SS > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ray" Spook01@comcast.net> > > > To: "BADGER" mrbadger@cox.net>; "mgtabc" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 6:45 PM > > > Subject: Re: Re: [mg-tabc] Age test! NO LBC CONTENT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go out and buy something decent. > > > > > I don't know why I didn't think of that 40 years ago > > > > > > > > Badger > > > > > > > > Uhhhhhhhh, was that you in the Yugo with Penthouse Playmate photos > > >glued > > > > all over it??????? And if it wasn't, how come you ducked when we > > >waved? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Bill]

On Monday, May 13, 2002, at 01:41 PM, Peter Pleitner wrote:

> Bottom line, too much chatter will ruin what used to be a good thing.

Amen. Bill Tantau

[Bill Andersen]

I heartily nominate YOU, Peter, to be our moderator, as you appear to have the necessary experience and tough-mindedness so strongly needed here. Do I hear a second? Cheers, Bill Andersen

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Pleitner" pleitner@dundee.net> To: "Bill Andersen" hbgandy@attbi.com>; mike.card@mcmg.freeserve.co.uk>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com>; "Donald Wilkinson" digitaldon@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:41 PM Subject: [mg-tabc] List content - Loud Pub > Thanks Bill, Terry and especially Mike, > > Now listen up you Whitworth Heads, > > Excessive off-topic commentary is getting to be a drag. Don't you bull > shitters have a garage to clean up? Get your fingers greasy more often and > keep them off the key board until you can help someone or need advise. As > much as we all enjoy pub chatter from time to time, this forum simply does > not support the atmosphere nor serves the libation to really pull it off > successfully. Its getting to be like a very loud pub. > > I too am about to retreat after three or four years of diminishing returns. > All of us have the drastic option to elect no delivery by Yahoo, while > retaining the privilege of reading and sending mail from this group's web > site. Possibly Jim or Chip could instruct the membership on this. By doing > this we could tap into this community of TABCers when we need them. But the > likelihood of extracting useful information in a noisy pub will diminish as > this process cascades. And we won't be around to contribute much, just > extract. > > I've run a forum like this since 1999 on eGroups then Yahoo for Alfa > Giuliettas and Giulias and I control membership. I do not allow chatter. > Every message has to have useful Alfa content or an Alfa related inquiry. > Over three hundred members are happy about my policy. For Alfisti who need > to chit chat, they can participate on the Alfa-digest. Likewise there are > enough general MG sites around to serve our membership without a pub. > > My observation is that once a forum such as this gets to be bigger than say > 50 to 150, a mob mentality takes control unless control is exerted by the > owner. Walter provided that leadership in the beginning. But then the > number of members and the traffic became too expensive in time and money for > him to bother supporting and managing us. Either someone step up to be our > sergeant at arms, or in a couple of years this forum will be controlled by > the chattiest common denominator. > > Bottom line, too much chatter will ruin what used to be a good thing. > > Not so cheerful, Peter > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Andersen [mailto:hbgandy@attbi.com] > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:58 PM > To: mike.card@mcmg.freeserve.co.uk; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com; Donald > Wilkinson > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] List content > > > I disagree with Wilkinson, and heartily agree with Card. I joined MG-TABC to > learn as much specific info as I can glean from fellow members, to share in > specific tips/advice re maintenance, upkeep, restoration, history, etc. I > did NOT join to be assaulted with meaningless garbage from guys that have > nothing better to do than clog the internet every day with gossip or > needling that has no relevance to the cars. If this continues, I'm outa > here. hbgandy@attbi.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donald Wilkinson" digitaldon@hotmail.com> > To: mike.card@mcmg.freeserve.co.uk>; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 10:25 AM > Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] List content > > > > gettasensa yuma. > > > > Don > > > > > > >From: "Michael Card" mike.card@mcmg.freeserve.co.uk> > > >To: "mgtabc" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > > >Subject: [mg-tabc] List content > > >Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 06:43:59 +0100 > > > > > >Can someone please explain what all this rubbish email has to do with a > > >list devoted to MG TABC? > > > > > >Mike Card > > >Surrey, England > > >TC8233, TC9477 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Sam Suklis > > > To: BADGER ; mgtabc ; Ray > > > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 3:14 AM > > > Subject: Re: Re: [mg-tabc] Age test! NO LBC CONTENT > > > > > > > > > Badger: > > > > > > Is that your Aston in the auction? > > > > > > Sam > > > SS > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ray" Spook01@comcast.net> > > > To: "BADGER" mrbadger@cox.net>; "mgtabc" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 6:45 PM > > > Subject: Re: Re: [mg-tabc] Age test! NO LBC CONTENT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go out and buy something decent. > > > > > I don't know why I didn't think of that 40 years ago > > > > > > > > Badger > > > > > > > > Uhhhhhhhh, was that you in the Yugo with Penthouse Playmate photos > > >glued > > > > all over it??????? And if it wasn't, how come you ducked when we > > >waved? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[Peter Pleitner]

Hi Bill, Thank you for your vote of confidence! However my time and allegiance are already spread thin, and I have a day job to boot. Surely there are others who are like minded who can serve this LIST. Jim Shade and Walter are moderators who might be arm wrestled into doing this until they appoint someone with a Germanic personality. I should remind you that truncating the previous message (if longish) is also a point of good form for participation. Cheers, Peter -----Original Message----- From: Bill Andersen [mailto:hbgandy@attbi.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 8:56 AM To: mike.card@mcmg.freeserve.co.uk; mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com; Donald Wilkinson; Peter Pleitner Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] List content - Loud Pub I heartily nominate YOU, Peter, to be our moderator, as you appear to have the necessary experience and tough-mindedness so strongly needed here. Do I hear a second? Cheers, Bill Andersen