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mikeypep
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battery question

Post by mikeypep » Tue May 06, 2008 10:08 am

Last year I checked my battery for the first time in 3 years and found it almost completely out of water. It started fine so I saw no reason to check it before. I filled it and all was good. This year I decided it might be best to replace it. I removed the 4 year old battery and again, it was almost empty. Its been starting just fine, has not been dumped and has about 2000 miles on it since I last filled it. Is this normal? Might I have damaged the battery? This was a conventional wet type battery.

E.L. Green
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battery question

Post by E.L. Green » Tue May 06, 2008 10:49 am

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "mikeypep" wrote:
> Last year I checked my battery for the first time in 3 years and found > it almost completely out of water. It started fine so I saw no reason > to check it before.
Bad move, Mikey. The KLR is infamous for boiling its battery fluid out. Speculation is that the voltage regulator allows too much voltage to get to the battery, but if you run a KLR at high speeds, it can boil the fluid out within 500 miles.
> it might be best to replace it. I removed the 4 year old battery and > again, it was almost empty. Its been starting just fine, has not been > dumped and has about 2000 miles on it since I last filled it. Is this > normal? Might I have damaged the battery?
If it's still starting it obviously hasn't warped the plates or otherwise shorted out yet, so no, the battery hasn't been damaged. My suggestion, however, would be to get an AGM "dry" battery (check the FAQ at the bottom of this message for some part numbers). That way you don't have to worry about its waterlevel. 4 years is a long lifetime for a battery, especially one that has been consistently neglected, and it's due to decide any moment now that it isn't going to hold a charge.

Jim Douglas
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battery question

Post by Jim Douglas » Tue May 06, 2008 4:55 pm

mikeypep wrote:
> > Last year I checked my battery for the first time in 3 years and found > it almost completely out of water. It started fine so I saw no reason > to check it before. I filled it and all was good. This year I decided > it might be best to replace it. I removed the 4 year old battery and > again, it was almost empty. Its been starting just fine, has not been > dumped and has about 2000 miles on it since I last filled it. Is this > normal? Might I have damaged the battery? This was a conventional wet > type battery. > >
Interesting as my 2008, less than a year old, was dead and found it to be bone dry, I had checked it a few weeks before as it was dead but thought due to NON use it had not simply charged, I took it out and looked at it and believed it had liquid in there but no so when I took it back to the dealer. Here is TX the heat is bad on batteries and it's stored inside the garage, and it's really hot in the summer!

david zawadzki
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battery question

Post by david zawadzki » Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:34 am

Hello friends, I have a used 2007 battery that's been sitting without any acid for a few months. Can I just buy the acid, fill up and recharge or do I need to buy a whole new battery? Will it work ok? Regards, -- David Z mobile: 646-267-1109 poisonpartyband.com

jeffsaline
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Post by jeffsaline » Fri Oct 07, 2016 5:08 pm

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Post by Mark Van Horn » Fri Oct 07, 2016 5:47 pm

But wait, he said the battery has no acid in it. What's the full story? Is it *dry*? Was the original acid dumped? Was the battery rinsed? If the plates aren't shot (still lead and clean-ish), maybe it could be resurrected. If it's a matter of all the water evaporating from the original acid, then the battery is toast. Mark
On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 4:19 PM, salinej1@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: [u][/u] On Fri, 7 Oct 2016 11:33:59 -0400 "david zawadzki fordavidz@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> writes: Hello friends, I have a used 2007 battery that's been sitting without any acid for a few months. Can I just buy the acid, fill up and recharge or do I need to buy a whole new battery? Will it work ok? Regards, -- David Z <><><><><> <><><><><> David, Once a battery has been put into service you only ever add distilled water. So it is time for a new battery. Best, Jeff Saline The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . . . . . . ______________________________ ______________________________ [b]How To Fix Your Fatigue (Do This Every Day)[/b] gundrymd.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno. com/TGL3142/ 57f803c6946733c636b2st04vuc [img]https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F% ... KMC3jw--~E[/img]

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Post by david zawadzki » Sat Oct 08, 2016 6:16 pm

The bike was stolen from me and was sitting for a few months.  When I got it back there was nothing inside the battery.  I filled it up with distilled water, charged it for 3days and the bike fired up. 3 weeks passed.  After riding the bike to the DMV Inspection site for a new title the battery died.  I jumped it from a car and passed the test.   I'm suspecting that the bike has a broken alternator.  Need to find a way to test this along with testing the cooling fan.  It does not turn on.  Other then that, the bike runs and is good.   So yea, I'm just trying to save a few bucks by buying the acid vs new battery especially if I have to buy the other parts as well.   Once I fix those things I will be selling the bike with a rebuild title.  Any help Is much appreciated :) David Zmobile: 646.267.1109poisonpartyband.com
On Oct 7, 2016, at 6:47 PM, Mark Van Horn kl650b2@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
  But wait, he said the battery has no acid in it. What's the full story? Is it *dry*? Was the original acid dumped? Was the battery rinsed? If the plates aren't shot (still lead and clean-ish), maybe it could be resurrected. If it's a matter of all the water evaporating from the original acid, then the battery is toast. Mark On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 4:19 PM, salinej1@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: [u][/u] On Fri, 7 Oct 2016 11:33:59 -0400 "david zawadzki fordavidz@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> writes:   Hello friends,   I have a used 2007 battery that's been sitting without any acid for a few months. Can I just buy the acid, fill up and recharge or do I need to buy a whole new battery? Will it work ok? Regards, -- David Z <><><><><> <><><><><>   David,   Once a battery has been put into service you only ever add distilled water.   So it is time for a new battery.   Best, Jeff Saline The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650   . . . . . . .   ______________________________ ______________________________ [b]How To Fix Your Fatigue (Do This Every Day)[/b] gundrymd.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno. com/TGL3142/ 57f803c6946733c636b2st04vuc [img]https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F% ... EZSxaw--~E[/img]

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Post by jeffsaline » Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:56 pm

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Post by david zawadzki » Sun Oct 09, 2016 2:46 pm

Hey Jeff, Thank you for that. It is a Gen 1 2007 klr. I did fill it up with distilled water before and it did hold a charge for a few weeks. However when I took it on a long ride, shut it off and tried to start later the battery was dead. Regardless I will fill up with distilled, charge it up and perform the test you mentioned. Hope everybody's doing good on this list and getting their bikes ready to ride in the snow! -David
On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:54 PM, wrote: [u][/u] On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 19:16:37 -0400 "David Zawadzki fordavidz@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> writes: The bike was stolen from me and was sitting for a few months. When I got it back there was nothing inside the battery. I filled it up with distilled water, charged it for 3days and the bike fired up. 3 weeks passed. After riding the bike to the DMV Inspection site for a new title the battery died. I jumped it from a car and passed the test. I'm suspecting that the bike has a broken alternator. Need to find a way to test this along with testing the cooling fan. It does not turn on. Other then that, the bike runs and is good. So yea, I'm just trying to save a few bucks by buying the acid vs new battery especially if I have to buy the other parts as well. Once I fix those things I will be selling the bike with a rebuild title. Any help Is much appreciated :) David Z <><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><> David, The first rule for checking charging systems is to start with a known, fully charged and good condition battery. Until you start with that you are wasting time on further investigation. Because of the way the battery works chemically and electrically adding acid to a battery that has gone dry doesn't work. If distilled water and charging doesn't bring it to life the battery should be removed from service and replaced. Just because a battery is new doesn't mean it is good. Once you have a known fully charged battery in good condition check the following and report the results. Make the readings to 0.1 volts, i.e. 12.6 volts or 11.8 volts etc. - Battery voltage at rest at least 3 hours after charging. - Battery voltage after 3 minutes with the key in the on position, headlight on low beam. - Battery voltage 1 minute after turning the key to off. - Battery voltage at idle, one minute after starting the bike. - Battery voltage at 3,000 rpm while holding it there for a timed 20 seconds. Those readings will give you some good data to report and consider. I think you have a Gen I KLR. If that is correct... to test the fan with an energized electrical system... remove the wire from the sensor at the bottom of the radiator. Spin the fan with your finger to prove it spins freely. Touch the wire to the edge of a fin on the head/cylinder. Grounding that wire will complete the circuit and the fan should spin. If it doesn't spin check the 10 amp fan fuse and let us know. Best, Jeff Saline The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . . . . . . . . ______________________________ ______________________________ [b]Watch: Alzheimer s Reversal Cocktail Changing Lives[/b] Nutrition and Healing http://thirdpartyoffers.juno. com/TGL3142/ 57f99589d8717158940cfst03vuc [img]https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F% ... EZSxaw--~E[/img]
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Post by david zawadzki » Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:13 am

Morning, Thanks to Jeff and the gang. I found the fuse by the coolant container and replaced it. The fan turns on and the bike does not overheat anymore. Now I have to figure out why the speedometer and the rmp gauge does not move. I replaced the washer in the wheel by the bearings. Checked the cable by the speedometer and made sure its plugged in. Ehhh...one day I ll get there... Thanks guys! David
On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:57 AM, wrote: > David, > > That looks like the Gen I fan wire. When it is touched to ground (the > edge of a head fin works well) the fan should activate. > > In stock configuration there is a 10 amp fuse for the fan circuit on 1990 > and on models. It is located in a white wire on the right side of the bike > behind the right fuel tank shroud. It is wire tied to the coolant bottle > support. > > So if the fan doesn't activate and it does spin easily with your finger > the next check should probably be the fuse. It should have power on both > sides when installed. > > There is also a fan relay in the system that can cause issues. It is the > same relay as the starter circuit relay so you have one already on the > bike you can swap in for testing purposes. > > Check the fan to make sure it spins and if it does spin freely check the > fuse. If that doesn't fix the issue check back (on list is better as more > folks can chime in or learn from what is going on) and you can test the fan > relay operation. > > I'll guess the added wire on the fan chassis is to provide a ground for > the fan motor. If that guess is correct it should be connected at both > ends. > > Do you have a test light or multimeter? > > Best, > > Jeff > > On Mon, 24 Oct 2016 10:35:36 -0400 david zawadzki > writes: > > Hi Jeff, > > Is this the fan sensor wire? It connects to the radiator at the bottom. I > disconnected the wire with the key in the on position, touched it to the > head and the fan did not turn on. Is there any other way to test the fan? > > There is a wire on the side of the radiator that connects with a 10mm > bolt. Should I leave that connected? > > Thank you Sir. > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 9:56 PM, wrote: > >> David, >> >> I'll suggest before you mess much with the test you just find out what >> the battery voltage is. If it is really fully charged it will be 12.6 >> volts. My guess is the battery is bad and it is fooling the charger into >> thinking it is fully charged. You can also monitor the charging voltage >> and see if the charger runs the battery to 14.4 volts or so. >> >> When you have the battery off the charger record the voltage. Then turn >> the key on and see if the voltage remains about the same. Example for a >> good battery might be 12.6 volts off the charger and then 12.3 volts or >> more with the key on. If you get a reading below 12.0 volts I'll suggest >> the battery at a minimum isn't fully charged and is probably bad. >> >> If that tests ok then maybe continue with the full battery of tests. >> >> You can also take the battery to a battery shop like Batteries Plus or >> Interstate Batteries and they can test the battery. Usually it is free. >> >> A load test is the real test to see if a battery is in good condition. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Jeff >> >> On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 17:24:44 -0400 david zawadzki >> writes: >> >> Hey Jeff, >> >> I filled up the battery with distilled water 2 days ago, plugged it into >> the battery tender and it was fully charged in 10 minutes. Strange. I >> didn't have time to do the full test as of yet but my guess is that its a >> bad battery and here is the reason: >> >> On the way to the dmv inspection I had to turn off the bike every few >> minutes so that the bike does not over heat. Probably killed the already >> bad battery. It's a few years old..and was sitting on a police lot for >> quite some time completely dry.. >> >> When I left the dmv inspection place I jumped the battery from the car. >> Rode it for 40 minutes and the battery got charged up so that's why it only >> took 10 minutes on the tender. >> >> Makes sense no? Anyways I'll do the test. Thanks for listening lol >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 3:46 PM, david zawadzki >> wrote: >> >>> Hey Jeff, >>> >>> Thank you for that. It is a Gen 1 2007 klr. I did fill it up with >>> distilled water before and it did hold a charge for a few weeks. However >>> when I took it on a long ride, shut it off and tried to start later the >>> battery was dead. Regardless I will fill up with distilled, charge it up >>> and perform the test you mentioned. >>> >>> Hope everybody's doing good on this list and getting their bikes ready >>> to ride in the snow! >>> >>> -David >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:54 PM, wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 19:16:37 -0400 "David Zawadzki fordavidz@... >>>> [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> writes: >>>> >>>> The bike was stolen from me and was sitting for a few months. When I >>>> got it back there was nothing inside the battery. I filled it up with >>>> distilled water, charged it for 3days and the bike fired up. 3 weeks >>>> passed. After riding the bike to the DMV Inspection site for a new title >>>> the battery died. I jumped it from a car and passed the test. >>>> >>>> I'm suspecting that the bike has a broken alternator. Need to find a >>>> way to test this along with testing the cooling fan. It does not turn on. >>>> Other then that, the bike runs and is good. >>>> >>>> So yea, I'm just trying to save a few bucks by buying the acid vs new >>>> battery especially if I have to buy the other parts as well. >>>> >>>> Once I fix those things I will be selling the bike with a rebuild >>>> title. >>>> >>>> Any help Is much appreciated :) >>>> >>>> David Z >>>> <><><><><><><><> >>>> <><><><><><><><> >>>> >>>> David, >>>> >>>> The first rule for checking charging systems is to start with a known, >>>> fully charged and good condition battery. Until you start with that you >>>> are wasting time on further investigation. >>>> >>>> Because of the way the battery works chemically and electrically adding >>>> acid to a battery that has gone dry doesn't work. If distilled water and >>>> charging doesn't bring it to life the battery should be removed from >>>> service and replaced. Just because a battery is new doesn't mean it is >>>> good. >>>> >>>> Once you have a known fully charged battery in good condition check the >>>> following and report the results. Make the readings to 0.1 volts, i.e. >>>> 12.6 volts or 11.8 volts etc. >>>> >>>> - Battery voltage at rest at least 3 hours after charging. >>>> >>>> - Battery voltage after 3 minutes with the key in the on position, >>>> headlight on low beam. >>>> >>>> - Battery voltage 1 minute after turning the key to off. >>>> >>>> - Battery voltage at idle, one minute after starting the bike. >>>> >>>> - Battery voltage at 3,000 rpm while holding it there for a timed 20 >>>> seconds. >>>> >>>> Those readings will give you some good data to report and consider. >>>> >>>> I think you have a Gen I KLR. If that is correct... to test the fan >>>> with an energized electrical system... remove the wire from the sensor at >>>> the bottom of the radiator. Spin the fan with your finger to prove it >>>> spins freely. Touch the wire to the edge of a fin on the head/cylinder. >>>> Grounding that wire will complete the circuit and the fan should spin. 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