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$4100 be my guess, possibly a bit morefirst year of a new body style so minor improvements likely made on '09 or '10 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 2:52 AM, libertyeagle@... [DSN_KLR650]DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Been offered a possible trade for a Blue 2008 KLR650, bike has less than 3000 miles always garaged, bike will be either in California or Southern Oregon (titled and plated current in Oregon). Anyone give me a basic idea of value if I were to get it in a trade? I would probably sell it. Anyone have any thoughts? Michael

earlier this summer, I found an '08 (green) in the seattle area with 1147 miles, for $ 3500. Had to travel 120 miles to pick it up, and couldn't drive fast enough. It should've been more. just my 2 cents.......    joe On Monday, November 30, 2015 2:06 AM, "Larry Hall larrysumner@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   $4100 be my guess, possibly a bit morefirst year of a new body style so minor improvements likely made on '09 or '10 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

  Been offered a possible trade for a Blue 2008 KLR650, bike has less than 3000 miles always garaged, bike will be either in California or Southern Oregon (titled and plated current in Oregon). Anyone give me a basic idea of value if I were to get it in a trade? I would probably sell it. Anyone have any thoughts? Michael

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Ditto Joe...Mine has 7200 and stand, Aria helmet, tie downs, eat.  Cleaned carb, new tires and awayI went. Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2015, at 9:04 AM, 'J.P. Murray' jpmurray5588@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  earlier this summer, I found an '08 (green) in the seattle area with 1147 miles, for $ 3500. Had to travel 120 miles to pick it up, and couldn't drive fast enough. It should've been more. just my 2 cents.......    joe On Monday, November 30, 2015 2:06 AM, "Larry Hall larrysumner@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   $4100 be my guess, possibly a bit morefirst year of a new body style so minor improvements likely made on '09 or '10 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android   Been offered a possible trade for a Blue 2008 KLR650, bike has less than 3000 miles always garaged, bike will be either in California or Southern Oregon (titled and plated current in Oregon). Anyone give me a basic idea of value if I were to get it in a trade? I would probably sell it. Anyone have any thoughts? Michael

This is my KLR guestimater--...guestimator for any bike other than a 2008 (see the ps at the bottom)Take the MSRP for 2008 and deduct ~$400/year, add back into that price for farkle upgrades = 1/2 MSRP for any farkle. i.e. a $100 farkle adds $50 value. Subtract $$ for distance you have to go to get it. (it is a real cost) perhaps,Add $$$ for distance you don't have to drive to go get it. (It is a real savings) Add $$$ for pristine, immaculate condition. (see the ps at the end!) Try to never pay more than NADA values Remember, if you have to sell the bike to an insurance company, they will only allow NADA value and 1/2 value for the farkles...if you are lucky.IMO: NADA/INSURANCE/Legislation are in co-hoots, and the most you will get for an insurance claim is average, NADA values; because the law says that is all that is required (yes Virginia, that is a simplified explanation of the insurance payoff). m1. who has paid more than NADA value, using the above formula. yes, I did it twice. shrug.buyer, beware. ps: the industry is aware that the 2008 KLR has been a disastrous oil burner and the values are very suppressed.An Eagle Mike upgrade kit is ~$600 if you do it yourself...figure that into the price; I know I would.

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 12:52 AM, libertyeagle@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Been offered a possible trade for a Blue 2008 KLR650, bike has less than 3000 miles always garaged, bike will be either in California or Southern Oregon (titled and plated current in Oregon). Anyone give me a basic idea of value if I were to get it in a trade? I would probably sell it. Anyone have any thoughts? Michael

+1 on everything Martin just said.   I have turned down very nice looking 2008 bikes because of what I would have to put in them to get to the bike I wanted to ride. Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Martin Earl mjearl4@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: 11/30/2015 7:49 PM (GMT-07:00) To: DSN KLR650 DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Possible Trade   This is my KLR guestimater--...guestimator for any bike other than a 2008 (see the ps at the bottom)Take the MSRP for 2008 and deduct ~$400/year, add back into that price for farkle upgrades = 1/2 MSRP for any farkle. i.e. a $100 farkle adds $50 value. Subtract $$ for distance you have to go to get it. (it is a real cost) perhaps,Add $$$ for distance you don't have to drive to go get it.  (It is a real savings) Add $$$ for pristine, immaculate condition. (see the ps at the end!) Try to never pay more than NADA values Remember, if you have to sell the bike to an insurance company, they will only allow NADA value and 1/2 value for the farkles...if you are lucky.IMO:  NADA/INSURANCE/Legislation are in co-hoots, and the most you will get for an insurance claim is average, NADA values; because the law says that is all that is required (yes Virginia, that is a simplified explanation of the insurance payoff). m1. who has paid more than NADA value, using the above formula.  yes, I did it twice. shrug.buyer, beware. ps:  the industry is aware that the 2008 KLR has been a disastrous oil burner and the values are very suppressed.An Eagle Mike upgrade kit is ~$600 if you do it yourself...figure that into the price; I know I would.

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 12:52 AM, libertyeagle@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Been offered a possible trade for a Blue 2008 KLR650, bike has less than 3000 miles always garaged, bike will be either in California or Southern Oregon (titled and plated current in Oregon). Anyone give me a basic idea of value if I were to get it in a trade? I would probably sell it. Anyone have any thoughts? Michael

So all 2008 are oil burners? Then mine must be faulty, same spark bolt "clean" and no dohickey. Is there a certain mileage or lack of maintenance that needs to take place for this to happen? When is the recommended mileage to install a dohickey? I have read anything from as soon as it leaves the show room to oh my gosh you don't have a dohickey at 8k the motor will seize at any moment. I think I going to keep up the oil changes and check the spark bolt  Once a year and see how long I can ride my green pig.  $ 3500 bucks and a new set of tires. I Am not bitching yet. Knock on green plastic and ride on. Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:11 PM, SniperOne308 sniperone308@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  +1 on everything Martin just said.   I have turned down very nice looking 2008 bikes because of what I would have to put in them to get to the bike I wanted to ride. Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Martin Earl mjearl4@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: 11/30/2015 7:49 PM (GMT-07:00) To: DSN KLR650 DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Possible Trade   This is my KLR guestimater--...guestimator for any bike other than a 2008 (see the ps at the bottom)Take the MSRP for 2008 and deduct ~$400/year, add back into that price for farkle upgrades = 1/2 MSRP for any farkle. i.e. a $100 farkle adds $50 value. Subtract $$ for distance you have to go to get it. (it is a real cost) perhaps,Add $$$ for distance you don't have to drive to go get it.  (It is a real savings) Add $$$ for pristine, immaculate condition. (see the ps at the end!) Try to never pay more than NADA values Remember, if you have to sell the bike to an insurance company, they will only allow NADA value and 1/2 value for the farkles...if you are lucky.IMO:  NADA/INSURANCE/Legislation are in co-hoots, and the most you will get for an insurance claim is average, NADA values; because the law says that is all that is required (yes Virginia, that is a simplified explanation of the insurance payoff). m1. who has paid more than NADA value, using the above formula.  yes, I did it twice. shrug.buyer, beware. ps:  the industry is aware that the 2008 KLR has been a disastrous oil burner and the values are very suppressed.An Eagle Mike upgrade kit is ~$600 if you do it yourself...figure that into the price; I know I would. On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 12:52 AM, libertyeagle@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Been offered a possible trade for a Blue 2008 KLR650, bike has less than 3000 miles always garaged, bike will be either in California or Southern Oregon (titled and plated current in Oregon). Anyone give me a basic idea of value if I were to get it in a trade? I would probably sell it. Anyone have any thoughts? Michael

I don't have a problem with mine. It seems to use some if spending time above 80mph. Mine has almost 45k miles. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android [b] From: [/b] Steve Knott knottsteve29@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>; [b] To: [/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>; SniperOne308 ; [b] Subject: [/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Possible Trade [b] Sent: [/b] Tue, Dec 1, 2015 1:59:16 PM So all 2008 are oil burners? Then mine must be faulty, same spark bolt "clean" and no dohickey. Is there a certain mileage or lack of maintenance that needs to take place for this to happen? When is the recommended mileage to install a dohickey? I have read anything from as soon as it leaves the show room to oh my gosh you don't have a dohickey at 8k the motor will seize at any moment. I think I going to keep up the oil changes and check the spark bolt Once a year and see how long I can ride my green pig. $ 3500 bucks and a new set of tires. I Am not bitching yet. Knock on green plastic and ride on. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:11 PM, SniperOne308 sniperone308@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

+1 on everything Martin just said. I have turned down very nice looking 2008 bikes because of what I would have to put in them to get to the bike I wanted to ride. Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Martin Earl mjearl4@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: 11/30/2015 7:49 PM (GMT-07:00) To: DSN KLR650 DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Possible Trade This is my KLR guestimater--...guestimator for any bike other than a 2008 (see the ps at the bottom)Take the MSRP for 2008 and deduct ~$400/year, add back into that price for farkle upgrades = 1/2 MSRP for any farkle. i.e. a $100 farkle adds $50 value. Subtract $$ for distance you have to go to get it. (it is a real cost) perhaps,Add $$$ for distance you don't have to drive to go get it. (It is a real savings) Add $$$ for pristine, immaculate condition. (see the ps at the end!) Try to never pay more than NADA values Remember, if you have to sell the bike to an insurance company, they will only allow NADA value and 1/2 value for the farkles...if you are lucky.IMO: NADA/INSURANCE/Legislation are in co-hoots, and the most you will get for an insurance claim is average, NADA values; because the law says that is all that is required (yes Virginia, that is a simplified explanation of the insurance payoff). m1. who has paid more than NADA value, using the above formula. yes, I did it twice. shrug.buyer, beware. ps: the industry is aware that the 2008 KLR has been a disastrous oil burner and the values are very suppressed.An Eagle Mike upgrade kit is ~$600 if you do it yourself...figure that into the price; I know I would. On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 12:52 AM, libertyeagle@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Been offered a possible trade for a Blue 2008 KLR650, bike has less than 3000 miles always garaged, bike will be either in California or Southern Oregon (titled and plated current in Oregon). Anyone give me a basic idea of value if I were to get it in a trade? I would probably sell it. Anyone have any thoughts? Michael

Hi Steve,I was thinking about the 2008 some more this morning before I read your post. As for now, ride your bike and keep an eye on the oil at every fuel stop.Why stress over something that has not happened. shrug. Admittedly, I am not an expert on 2008 oil burning problems, nor do I have an extensive data base/experience to call upon.What I do have is 'list' observation =following 3 or 4 different KLR650 list/forums, and can conclude with a great deal of certainty, that those with a 2008 are very likely to have faulty rings; therefore, buyer beware.If I were buying a 2008--I certainly would look at a 2008 with the jaundiced eye of a one-eyed peacock inspecting a june-bug for breakfast. Having said that, if your bike does not burn oil, celebrate that and give thanks. and the KLR choir can now sing: amen. In the dark abyss of my memory, I seem to recall that Bill Watson, aka Wattman and the inventor of the thermobob, attempted, or 'did' establish a vin number, point-in-time, that indicated that KHI had installed improved piston rings. Someone correct me if I don't have that right, or it is in a different data base/source. Perhaps correspondence with him can suggest some information you are looking for.http://www.watt-man.com/ As for now, ride your bike and [b]keep an eye on the oil at every fuel stop.[/b]I can speak from experience, that when the rings start to fail, (as my 98 did at ~55K miles) it moved oil level in the sight glass level every from top to bottom every other gas tank = ~400 miles. Then from 56 to 57K, it was ~10oz of oil added every gas tank, which was cured with EagleMike's cylinder exchange and 685 piston replacement.http://www.eaglemike.com/ As for now, ride your bike and keep an eye on the oil at every fuel stop. Patrick Z suggest that riding the bike above 80mph causes oil consumption.I would fine tune that suggestion that nearly every KLR I have had experience and observed, uses oil if the RPM's are held above 5,500rpm's for extended periods of time. Why. shrug. It just does. Perhaps Norm or other sage flavored guru knows. grin. If you flog the bike = extended periods above 5.5Krpm, keep a very, very close eye on the oil.Forgive me if you already know this; but observe oil levels after sufficient time for the oil to drain down into the crankcase AND makes sure the bike is vertical/level when you check the oil in the sight glass. Additional [i]mandatory[/i] reading is here:http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html m1. who suggests, As for now, ride your bike and keep an eye on the oil at every fuel stop.

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Steve Knott knottsteve29@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: So all 2008 are oil burners? Then mine must be faulty, same spark bolt "clean" and no dohickey. Is there a certain mileage or lack of maintenance that needs to take place for this to happen? When is the recommended mileage to install a dohickey? I have read anything from as soon as it leaves the show room to oh my gosh you don't have a dohickey at 8k the motor will seize at any moment. I think I going to keep up the oil changes and check the spark bolt Once a year and see how long I can ride my green pig. $ 3500 bucks and a new set of tires. I Am not bitching yet. Knock on green plastic and ride on. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:11 PM, SniperOne308 sniperone308@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: +1 on everything Martin just said. I have turned down very nice looking 2008 bikes because of what I would have to put in them to get to the bike I wanted to ride. Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Martin Earl mjearl4@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: 11/30/2015 7:49 PM (GMT-07:00) To: DSN KLR650 DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Possible Trade This is my KLR guestimater--...guestimator for any bike other than a 2008 (see the ps at the bottom)Take the MSRP for 2008 and deduct ~$400/year, add back into that price for farkle upgrades = 1/2 MSRP for any farkle. i.e. a $100 farkle adds $50 value. Subtract $$ for distance you have to go to get it. (it is a real cost) perhaps,Add $$$ for distance you don't have to drive to go get it. (It is a real savings) Add $$$ for pristine, immaculate condition. (see the ps at the end!) Try to never pay more than NADA values Remember, if you have to sell the bike to an insurance company, they will only allow NADA value and 1/2 value for the farkles...if you are lucky.IMO: NADA/INSURANCE/Legislation are in co-hoots, and the most you will get for an insurance claim is average, NADA values; because the law says that is all that is required (yes Virginia, that is a simplified explanation of the insurance payoff). m1. who has paid more than NADA value, using the above formula. yes, I did it twice. shrug.buyer, beware. ps: the industry is aware that the 2008 KLR has been a disastrous oil burner and the values are very suppressed.An Eagle Mike upgrade kit is ~$600 if you do it yourself...figure that into the price; I know I would. On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 12:52 AM, libertyeagle@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Been offered a possible trade for a Blue 2008 KLR650, bike has less than 3000 miles always garaged, bike will be either in California or Southern Oregon (titled and plated current in Oregon). Anyone give me a basic idea of value if I were to get it in a trade? I would probably sell it. Anyone have any thoughts? Michael