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I rode nearly 300 miles from the NW corner f Oklahoma to Amarillo without a clutch.  Tranny still shifts like a KLR.    YMMV - Ateam   [b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, April 02, 2015 10:11 AM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Clutchless Upshift    

I recently read an article of top ten tips for motorcycle riding. I thought it was on Yahoo, but could be mistaken. One of the tips regarded up-shifting by momentarily backing off the throttle and up-shifting without the clutch which was said to make for smoother shifts. Is this a recommended technique and is it safe for the KLR transmission? Paul

I ve run over 30K miles and I upshift and downshift that way. Back off the throttle on upshifts and blip it on downshifts. GregM From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 11:11 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Clutchless Upshift I recently read an article of top ten tips for motorcycle riding. I thought it was on Yahoo, but could be mistaken. One of the tips regarded up-shifting by momentarily backing off the throttle and up-shifting without the clutch which was said to make for smoother shifts. Is this a recommended technique and is it safe for the KLR transmission? Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

you wrote:One of the tips regarded up-shifting by momentarily backing off the throttle and up-shifting without the clutch which was said to make for smoother shifts. Syntax and punctuation is important here: need to add a couple of words....... momentarily backing off the throttle and up-shifting without the clutch which was said to make for smoother shifts [i]without the clutch[/i]. The long-term answer fits the category, "just because you can does not mean you should do it." Anecdotal data is not always useful...I drove xxx mile on a flat tire; possible but not a good ideaI drove xxx miles with only 1 qt of oil....me? and I drove many miles and stop signs and stop lights NE of Philly after my F150 blew the clutch.In my memory, it remains a miserable experience when you are on a two lane road and no shoulders. When riding trails, I occasionally shift without a clutch, but that is to obviate stalling In the long term, I want mine to last a long time so I minimize clutch less shifts. In the end, it is our machine.Ride it however you like.Please tell the next owner you favored not using the clutch for shifting.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:11 AM, pwhatfourever@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I recently read an article of top ten tips for motorcycle riding. I thought it was on Yahoo, but could be mistaken. One of the tips regarded up-shifting by momentarily backing off the throttle and up-shifting without the clutch which was said to make for smoother shifts. Is this a recommended technique and is it safe for the KLR transmission? Paul

Well my situation was a broken clutch cable.  I had no choice but to get to a town with Saturday FedX delivery.  I hated it as I could not stop.  I now have a second clutch cable attached next to my working cable.  That will not happen to me again.    Again, I spent 5 hours or more without the ability to stop without a rolling start.  With a a fully loaded bike and soft panniers, it was nearly impossible to push start the bike my self/  Nearly impossible to find a hill to roll off in west Texas.  But the KLR did it fine and I was worried that there would be issues afterwards.  That was nearly 15000 miles ago. Ateam   [b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, April 02, 2015 10:35 AM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com ; pwhatfourever@... [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Clutchless Upshift     you wrote: One of the tips regarded up-shifting by momentarily backing off the throttle and up-shifting without the clutch which was said to make for smoother shifts. Syntax and punctuation is important here:  need to add a couple of words... .... momentarily backing off the throttle and up-shifting without the clutch which was said to make for smoother shifts [i]without the clutch[/i].   The long-term answer fits the category, "just because you can does not mean you should do it."   Anecdotal data is not always useful... I drove xxx mile on a flat tire; possible but not a good idea I drove xxx miles with only 1 qt of oil.... me?  and I drove many miles and stop signs and stop lights  NE of Philly after my F150 blew the clutch. In my memory, it remains a miserable experience when you are on a two lane road and no shoulders.   When riding trails, I occasionally shift without a clutch, but that is to obviate stalling In the long term, I want mine to last a long time so I minimize clutch less shifts.   In the end, it is our machine. Ride it however you like. Please tell the next owner you favored not using the clutch for shifting.     On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:11 AM, pwhatfourever@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I recently read an article of top ten tips for motorcycle riding. I thought it was on Yahoo, but could be mistaken. One of the tips regarded up-shifting by momentarily backing off the throttle and up-shifting without the clutch which was said to make for smoother shifts. Is this a recommended technique and is it safe for the KLR transmission? Paul

 

And Mary rode Joseph s ass all the way to Bethlehem.  No wonder she was a virgin............ He probably wouldn t ask for directions.   Good stuff Norm.   [b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, April 02, 2015 10:27 AM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: For Sale/ Gauging Interest     "I hardly expected Yeats on a KLR list! [?] Don Dodge"     There has never been much publicity as to what these people rode. I know that Moses rode a Triumph with a loud muffler which must have annoyed his neighbors, so that should call his other choices into doubt. I think the part about the sports car is false interpretation because he never could have gotten through the hills in a sports car. Triumph cars don't thunder when they have a bad exhaust so has to have been a bike.    [b]Navigate[/b] [b]Automobiles of the Bible[/b]

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I feel your pain.As you correctly have noted, there are viable exceptions, such as yours, and you were able to make adventure out of adversity. Last April, I had the same experience; fortunately only 5 miles to the Tupelo, MS, Kawasaki dealer AND he removed a cable from a brand new bike for me.Shame on me...I had a brand new one on the bench and did not pack it for the long trip. from South Dakota

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Ateam wrote: Well my situation was a broken clutch cable. I had no choice but to get to a town with Saturday FedX delivery. I hated it as I could not stop. I now have a second clutch cable attached next to my working cable. That will not happen to me again. Again, I spent 5 hours or more without the ability to stop without a rolling start. With a a fully loaded bike and soft panniers, it was nearly impossible to push start the bike my self/ Nearly impossible to find a hill to roll off in west Texas. But the KLR did it fine and I was worried that there would be issues afterwards. That was nearly 15000 miles ago. Ateam [b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, April 02, 2015 10:35 AM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com ; pwhatfourever@... [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Clutchless Upshift you wrote: One of the tips regarded up-shifting by momentarily backing off the throttle and up-shifting without the clutch which was said to make for smoother shifts. Syntax and punctuation is important here: need to add a couple of words... .... momentarily backing off the throttle and up-shifting without the clutch which was said to make for smoother shifts [i]without the clutch[/i]. The long-term answer fits the category, "just because you can does not mean you should do it." Anecdotal data is not always useful... I drove xxx mile on a flat tire; possible but not a good idea I drove xxx miles with only 1 qt of oil.... me? and I drove many miles and stop signs and stop lights NE of Philly after my F150 blew the clutch. In my memory, it remains a miserable experience when you are on a two lane road and no shoulders. When riding trails, I occasionally shift without a clutch, but that is to obviate stalling In the long term, I want mine to last a long time so I minimize clutch less shifts. In the end, it is our machine. Ride it however you like. Please tell the next owner you favored not using the clutch for shifting. On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:11 AM, pwhatfourever@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I recently read an article of top ten tips for motorcycle riding. I thought it was on Yahoo, but could be mistaken. One of the tips regarded up-shifting by momentarily backing off the throttle and up-shifting without the clutch which was said to make for smoother shifts. Is this a recommended technique and is it safe for the KLR transmission? Paul

Thanks, guys. It sounded a bit questionable to me. Glad I asked. I had a similar situation in college while driving across New Orleans when the clutch cable on my '67 VW bus pulled loose from the clutch pedal lever. I drove back home sans clutch, took off the lever, brazed it shut, drilled a new hole and re-installed the clutch cable. I wasn't even late for class. Sure wish I still had that old bus. ... last year of the split windshield and first year for 12 volts. I decided I would rather have AC. Paul [b]From:[/b] "Martin Earl mjearl4@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]To:[/b] Ateam [b]Cc:[/b] DSN KLR650 DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>; "pwhatfourever@..." [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:26 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Clutchless Upshift   I feel your pain.As you correctly have noted, there are viable exceptions, such as yours, and you were able to make adventure out of adversity.  Last April, I had the same experience; fortunately only 5 miles to the Tupelo, MS,  Kawasaki dealer AND he removed a cable from a brand new bike for me.Shame on me...I had a brand new one on the bench and did not pack it for the long trip. from South Dakota

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Ateam wrote: Well my situation was a broken clutch cable.  I had no choice but to get to a town with Saturday FedX delivery.  I hated it as I could not stop.  I now have a second clutch cable attached next to my working cable.  That will not happen to me again.    Again, I spent 5 hours or more without the ability to stop without a rolling start.  With a a fully loaded bike and soft panniers, it was nearly impossible to push start the bike my self/  Nearly impossible to find a hill to roll off in west Texas.  But the KLR did it fine and I was worried that there would be issues afterwards.  That was nearly 15000 miles ago. Ateam   [b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, April 02, 2015 10:35 AM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com ; pwhatfourever@... [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Clutchless Upshift     you wrote: One of the tips regarded up-shifting by momentarily backing off the throttle and up-shifting without the clutch which was said to make for smoother shifts. Syntax and punctuation is important here:  need to add a couple of words... .... momentarily backing off the throttle and up-shifting without the clutch which was said to make for smoother shifts [i]without the clutch[/i].   The long-term answer fits the category, "just because you can does not mean you should do it."   Anecdotal data is not always useful... I drove xxx mile on a flat tire; possible but not a good idea I drove xxx miles with only 1 qt of oil.... me?  and I drove many miles and stop signs and stop lights  NE of Philly after my F150 blew the clutch. In my memory, it remains a miserable experience when you are on a two lane road and no shoulders.   When riding trails, I occasionally shift without a clutch, but that is to obviate stalling In the long term, I want mine to last a long time so I minimize clutch less shifts.   In the end, it is our machine. Ride it however you like. Please tell the next owner you favored not using the clutch for shifting.     On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:11 AM, pwhatfourever@... [DSN_KLR650] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I recently read an article of top ten tips for motorcycle riding. I thought it was on Yahoo, but could be mistaken. One of the tips regarded up-shifting by momentarily backing off the throttle and up-shifting without the clutch which was said to make for smoother shifts. Is this a recommended technique and is it safe for the KLR transmission? 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