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nklr - wiring question

Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:20 pm
by SniperOne
Hi Norm, I have a riding buddy with a new 2014 R1200 GS he is wanting to put additional LED driving lights on.  He wants them tied into the high beam switch and neither of us can find info about how to do this with the CANbus system. Do you have any ideas about where to look? Thanks,Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: "'Norm Keller' normkel32@... [DSN_KLR650]" Date:01/10/2015 1:27 PM (GMT-07:00) To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Gear shift lever klr650 dropped 4 inches/ causes and fixes to try??   Where are you located, James?   Maybe someone nearby can help.

nklr - wiring question

Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:37 pm
by Mike Huber

nklr - wiring question

Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:32 pm
by SniperOne
Thanks Mike. Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: "Mike Huber minoman59@... [DSN_KLR650]" Date:01/10/2015 5:37 PM (GMT-07:00) To: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - Wiring Question   Randy...He's going to have to take it to the dealer to have it programmed....A friend of mine had to go through the same deal last year.....If he wants to hook it up to the battery and a separate switch it's not a problem. Mike Huber    To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 15:20:32 -0700 Subject: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - Wiring Question   Hi Norm, I have a riding buddy with a new 2014 R1200 GS he is wanting to put additional LED driving lights on.  He wants them tied into the high beam switch and neither of us can find info about how to do this with the CANbus system. Do you have any ideas about where to look? Thanks,Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: "'Norm Keller' normkel32@... [DSN_KLR650]" Date:01/10/2015 1:27 PM (GMT-07:00) To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Gear shift lever klr650 dropped 4 inches/ causes and fixes to try??   Where are you located, James?   Maybe someone nearby can help.

nklr - wiring question

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:30 am
by mark ward
Hey Randy Did you see the Lighting Thread last summer, on how the stock wiring is UNDERSIZED, and restricts Amp flow to the headlight, so that even the stock headlight is not working to it's full potential. My concern here, is that,..... adding the LED's to the stock switch, so inturn ALSO stock wiring, may have even greater impact on reducing the headlight (Like flushing the toilet when showering.)    AND possibly burn out wiring and  or the switch.  Mark (West Mich)  On Saturday, January 10, 2015 10:32 PM, "SniperOne sniperone308@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
  Thanks Mike. Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: "Mike Huber minoman59@... [DSN_KLR650]" Date:01/10/2015 5:37 PM (GMT-07:00) To: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - Wiring Question   Randy...He's going to have to take it to the dealer to have it programmed....A friend of mine had to go through the same deal last year.....If he wants to hook it up to the battery and a separate switch it's not a problem. Mike Huber    To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 15:20:32 -0700 Subject: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - Wiring Question   Hi Norm, I have a riding buddy with a new 2014 R1200 GS he is wanting to put additional LED driving lights on.  He wants them tied into the high beam switch and neither of us can find info about how to do this with the CANbus system. Do you have any ideas about where to look? Thanks,Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: "'Norm Keller' normkel32@... 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nklr - wiring question

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:14 am
by SniperOne
Thanks Mark.  I did see the thread on the KLR.   This question was about a 2014 BMW R1200 GSW and finding the high beam trigger in the CANbus system so it could be used to also trigger a relay for the auxiliary LED lights.  I am aware that Clearwater makes a plug-n-play dongle into the harness for doing this but only sells the device with their light kits. (we are working w/ Denali D2 kit) It's my understanding now that even if the same trigger is found and used the bike will still have to go to the BMW dealer to have them program the change into the computer system.  We may just wire the D2 kit as an independent switch. Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: "mark ward nomad59@... [DSN_KLR650]" Date:01/11/2015 6:30 AM (GMT-07:00) To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com,SniperOne Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - Wiring Question   Hey Randy Did you see the Lighting Thread last summer, on how the stock wiring is UNDERSIZED, and restricts Amp flow to the headlight, so that even the stock headlight is not working to it's full potential. My concern here, is that,..... adding the LED's to the stock switch, so inturn ALSO stock wiring, may have even greater impact on reducing the headlight (Like flushing the toilet when showering.)    AND possibly burn out wiring and  or the switch.  Mark (West Mich)  On Saturday, January 10, 2015 10:32 PM, "SniperOne sniperone308@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
  Thanks Mike. Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: "Mike Huber minoman59@... [DSN_KLR650]" Date:01/10/2015 5:37 PM (GMT-07:00) To: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - Wiring Question   Randy...He's going to have to take it to the dealer to have it programmed....A friend of mine had to go through the same deal last year.....If he wants to hook it up to the battery and a separate switch it's not a problem. Mike Huber    To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 15:20:32 -0700 Subject: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - Wiring Question   Hi Norm, I have a riding buddy with a new 2014 R1200 GS he is wanting to put additional LED driving lights on.  He wants them tied into the high beam switch and neither of us can find info about how to do this with the CANbus system. Do you have any ideas about where to look? Thanks,Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: "'Norm Keller' normkel32@... [DSN_KLR650]" Date:01/10/2015 1:27 PM (GMT-07:00) To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Gear shift lever klr650 dropped 4 inches/ causes and fixes to try??   Where are you located, James?   Maybe someone nearby can help.

nklr - wiring question

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:36 am
by mark ward
Hey Randy Ya theres also the the Computer issue, But I wonder how many bikes other than the KLR have the same issue with wireing being light or exact, and adding things would create a big issue. So many Companies sell things (Car Accessories) Like Large Power Inverters designed to be simply plugged into the stock 12-volt outlet, almost every car comes with, 1 or 2+) Yet the wiring. Black & Decker 400 watt power inverter, sold everywhere. 400 w / 12V = 41.66666 A. ALOT OF AMPS. (Most outlets have the Thinnest wire in a truck/car. & a 10 amp fuse.  On Sunday, January 11, 2015 11:14 AM, "SniperOne sniperone308@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
  Thanks Mark.  I did see the thread on the KLR.   This question was about a 2014 BMW R1200 GSW and finding the high beam trigger in the CANbus system so it could be used to also trigger a relay for the auxiliary LED lights.  I am aware that Clearwater makes a plug-n-play dongle into the harness for doing this but only sells the device with their light kits. (we are working w/ Denali D2 kit) It's my understanding now that even if the same trigger is found and used the bike will still have to go to the BMW dealer to have them program the change into the computer system.  We may just wire the D2 kit as an independent switch. Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: "mark ward nomad59@... [DSN_KLR650]" Date:01/11/2015 6:30 AM (GMT-07:00) To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com,SniperOne Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - Wiring Question   Hey Randy Did you see the Lighting Thread last summer, on how the stock wiring is UNDERSIZED, and restricts Amp flow to the headlight, so that even the stock headlight is not working to it's full potential. My concern here, is that,..... adding the LED's to the stock switch, so inturn ALSO stock wiring, may have even greater impact on reducing the headlight (Like flushing the toilet when showering.)    AND possibly burn out wiring and  or the switch.  Mark (West Mich)  On Saturday, January 10, 2015 10:32 PM, "SniperOne sniperone308@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   Thanks Mike. Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: "Mike Huber minoman59@... [DSN_KLR650]" Date:01/10/2015 5:37 PM (GMT-07:00) To: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - Wiring Question   Randy...He's going to have to take it to the dealer to have it programmed....A friend of mine had to go through the same deal last year.....If he wants to hook it up to the battery and a separate switch it's not a problem. Mike Huber    To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 15:20:32 -0700 Subject: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - Wiring Question   Hi Norm, I have a riding buddy with a new 2014 R1200 GS he is wanting to put additional LED driving lights on.  He wants them tied into the high beam switch and neither of us can find info about how to do this with the CANbus system. Do you have any ideas about where to look? Thanks,Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: "'Norm Keller' normkel32@... [DSN_KLR650]" Date:01/10/2015 1:27 PM (GMT-07:00) To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Gear shift lever klr650 dropped 4 inches/ causes and fixes to try??   Where are you located, James?   Maybe someone nearby can help.
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nklr - wiring question

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:28 am
by Mike Huber

nklr - wiring question

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:30 pm
by SniperOne
From what I have learned Mike, both data and power run down the line to the bulb.  Any changes (such as a line tap drawing even small power) anywhere in this circuit, are picked up by the CANbus/computer and create problems.  This seems to be why the dealership must reprogram the computer to different parameters. The way Clearwater gets past this with their CAN-opener is that their plug-n-play device sniffs (for lack of a better word) the data going down the line and uses the data for an independent electronic trigger of their relay.  Apparently this sniffing doesn't change voltage or resistance so CANbus/computer are happy.  It's a nice idea but not worth $700 for their light kit just to get the CAN-opener when we already have a Denali D2 kit. Thanks Mike.   While I have an older GSA, this kind of stuff is also why I have a KLR and DRZ for some things.  My friend with this bike emptied his garage of the Duc/Honda/1100RT to get into this one GSW and wants it to work right.  He will just have to get the dealer involved to accomplish this. Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: "Mike Huber minoman59@... [DSN_KLR650]" Date:01/11/2015 10:28 AM (GMT-07:00) To: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - Wiring Question   Randy...Rather than going through the switched CAN bus, I'm wondering if you could come right off the high beam wire at the light to trigger a relay to turn on the LEDs?   Check it at the hi beam with a testlight to see if it has + 12v when the high beam is switched on , and tie it into the trigger coil on the relay and run the LEDs to the relay switched contacts.  Mike  Huber    To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 20:32:41 -0700 Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - Wiring Question   Thanks Mike. Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: "Mike Huber minoman59@... [DSN_KLR650]" Date:01/10/2015 5:37 PM (GMT-07:00) To: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - Wiring Question   Randy...He's going to have to take it to the dealer to have it programmed....A friend of mine had to go through the same deal last year.....If he wants to hook it up to the battery and a separate switch it's not a problem. Mike Huber    To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 15:20:32 -0700 Subject: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - Wiring Question   Hi Norm, I have a riding buddy with a new 2014 R1200 GS he is wanting to put additional LED driving lights on.  He wants them tied into the high beam switch and neither of us can find info about how to do this with the CANbus system. Do you have any ideas about where to look? Thanks,Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: "'Norm Keller' normkel32@... [DSN_KLR650]" Date:01/10/2015 1:27 PM (GMT-07:00) To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Gear shift lever klr650 dropped 4 inches/ causes and fixes to try??   Where are you located, James?   Maybe someone nearby can help.

klx jet and needle kit.

Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:28 pm
by achesley43@ymail.com
I kept my stock exhaust on but Drilled 2  1/2 in holes to the outside of the outlet in the back. Big improvement in running when I did that about 13 years ago and all was stock. Put a stock can back on it for a bit last year and really felt the difference so went back to the drilled can. That was all before I advance the cam and did the KLX needle/jetting thing. Made me fall in love with my KLR all over again. ;) 

nklr - wiring question

Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:38 am
by Michael Burwell
... Come off the high beam lamp with a relay ... That's what I did with my old FJ60 and its driving lights, and its own heavy eiring from the battery. Worked great and I don't think the relay would have enough amp draw for the computer to notice. Michael Sent from my iPad