Wilsons Sandbox

Posted: **Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:28 am**

Estimated timing for swapping engines?

While I have changed out Shocks etc etc etc. on my 07 I sometimes wonder about high miles.

And while there are plenty of other 07's with LOW miles, (2,400-7,000) I figure it would be cheaper to, buy a bike Swap the engines, (& od) then to pay all the state fee$

And "easier"????? (biggest question here) & cheaper then swapping or RE-buying new F&R shocks, bolts, brakes, REwiring, etc etc etc etc.

It "LOOK'S" like a 1 day job. (or do you have to tear the swing arm etc off to take the engine out? (PS. 1 person do the work)

Mark (West Mi.)

Posted: **Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:04 am**

While I don't know the total time for engine replacement. I can say the time to remove the swingarm, regrease the bearings and replace solo was about 90 minutes working out in my driveway. Can you do an engine swap in a day? I'd say yes, with a friend's help. Stuff like drain and remove the radiator, remove the swing arm, exhaust system, etc... is tedious but not horrible. Do them for both bikes at the same time, side by side. Make a list (game plan) and combine tasks when possible. And take pictures!!! =) -eddie

----- Original Message ----- [b]From:[/b] nomad59@... [DSN_KLR650] [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, September 02, 2014 9:27 AM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Engine swap? Estimated timing for swapping engines? While I have changed out Shocks etc etc etc. on my 07 I sometimes wonder about high miles. And while there are plenty of other 07's with LOW miles, (2,400-7,000) I figure it would be cheaper to, buy a bike Swap the engines, (& od) then to pay all the state fee$ And "easier"????? (biggest question here) & cheaper then swapping or RE-buying new F&R shocks, bolts, brakes, REwiring, etc etc etc etc. It "LOOK'S" like a 1 day job. (or do you have to tear the swing arm etc off to take the engine out? (PS. 1 person do the work) Mark (West Mi.)

Posted: **Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:48 pm**

Do get a manual! Will save you so much in the long run. One day? Depends on how long you want to spend that day. I'm old and slow and not in a hurry = 2 days. Maybe 3.

that's solo with no help in my shop.

Posted: **Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:56 pm**

Manuals VERY 1st thing I get for any car, truck, motorcycle, boat-motor etc. I buy. when I can find them. LOL I should be picking up a 1960 "Tote Gote" tonight. (proper spelling) Scooter, designed for hunters to climb MOUNTAIN trails in Utah.SLOW but powerful, heard stories of pulling a Jeep 2 miles. On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 3:48 PM, "achesley43@... [DSN_KLR650]" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Do get a manual! Will save you so much in the long run. One day? Depends on how long you want to spend that day. I'm old and slow and not in a hurry = 2 days. 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Posted: **Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:07 pm**

#ygrps-yiv-27807590 blockquote.ygrps-yiv-27807590cite {margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px;padding-left:10px;padding-right:0px;border-left:1px solid #cccccc;} #ygrps-yiv-27807590 blockquote.ygrps-yiv-27807590cite2 {margin-left:5px;margin-right:0px;padding-left:10px;padding-right:0px;border-left:1px solid #cccccc;margin-top:3px;padding-top:0px;} #ygrps-yiv-27807590 .ygrps-yiv-27807590plain pre, #ygrps-yiv-27807590 .ygrps-yiv-27807590plain tt {font-family:monospace;font-size:100%;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;} #ygrps-yiv-27807590 {font-family:Tahoma;font-size:12pt;} #ygrps-yiv-27807590 .ygrps-yiv-27807590plain pre, #ygrps-yiv-27807590 .ygrps-yiv-27807590plain tt {font-family:Tahoma;font-size:12pt;} This might help: https://www.dropbox.com/s/q41j2drembycgr2/Flat%20Rate%20Times.pdf?dl=0 Times assume no seized bolts and such. This will likely throw things off schedule unless both bikes have been well serviced but the job is not difficult, just lots of turning. +1 regarding the manuals, taking pictures. I recommend that you use a series of parts containers so that the fasteners for each bike are not mixed and that you have a small container for each area of each bike. Working out which bolt or screw went where expands time to a huge degree. Some pieces of cardboard with sketched locations (smaller outline) through which to poke fasteners according to their proper location can really speed things and avoid using a too long or too short fastener. Develop some system to keep the order of disassembly in sequence so that the sequence can be reversed during assembly. Nothing wastes time quite as much as pulling things apart to include a step which was by-passed. Cleaning/chasing threads is another consideration: have thread chasers and or taps & dies, torque values and specifications required for reinstall. Looking things up during the work is a real "time eater", especially as hands can be dirty and brain not the most open to looking or deducing that the torque for something must obviously be the same as for something else. Bring it here if you want a hand. (Chilliwack might be a bit far) HIH Norm

Posted: **Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:34 pm**

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As you indicated, we cannot know but most people will not remain open in the face of a negative signal, IME. No idea how to fix this and do try to check out what people really do intend before acting. Being lazy and having other things to do, I find that I need more reason/potential reward to encourage me to move past negative signals as I get older and crankier.

35+ years of marriage have shown that I'm so often wrong.... Norm " Are we reading too much into this? In some areas the one finger salute is a sign of respect and friendship. Yes, look up the ADVRider salute...... there are many photos on the ADVRider site with inmates saluting their friends..... ... big smiles...... everyone happy. Just a thought.

Posted: **Wed Sep 03, 2014 2:50 pm**

How to calculate the time required to do something for the first time... 1) Estimate how long it will take. 2) Multiply by two 3) Raise the answer to the next higher unit of measurement. For this job, apparently => 1 Day times two equals two days raised to the next higher unit = two weeks. Sounds about right to me. Could be a bit short. Maybe a month. Think about it.... Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C HERS I/II CEPE CEA BPI CERTIFIED SF/MF GREEN POINT RATER +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 9/2/2014 7:04 AM, 'eddie' edgyver40@... [DSN_KLR650] wrote:

While I don't know the total time for engine replacement. I can say the time to remove the swingarm, regrease the bearings and replace solo was about 90 minutes working out in my driveway. Can you do an engine swap in a day? I'd say yes, with a friend's help. Stuff like drain and remove the radiator, remove the swing arm, exhaust system, etc... is tedious but not horrible. Do them for both bikes at the same time, side by side. Make a list (game plan) and combine tasks when possible. And take pictures!!! =) -eddie ----- Original Message ----- [b]From:[/b] nomad59@...%20[DSN_KLR650] [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, September 02, 2014 9:27 AM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Engine swap? Estimated timing for swapping engines? While I have changed out Shocks etc etc etc. on my 07 I sometimes wonder about high miles. And while there are plenty of other 07's with LOW miles, (2,400-7,000) I figure it would be cheaper to, buy a bike Swap the engines, (& od) then to pay all the state fee$ And "easier"????? (biggest question here) & cheaper then swapping or RE-buying new F&R shocks, bolts, brakes, REwiring, etc etc etc etc. It "LOOK'S" like a 1 day job. (or do you have to tear the swing arm etc off to take the engine out? (PS. 1 person do the work) Mark (West Mi.)

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re[2]: [dsn_klr650] old age?? (nklr)

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