utc time on watchs?? (nklr)

[Ron Haraseth]

Any HAMs (amateur radio) operators might enjoy that function.   Ron N7SKJ Bitterroot Valley Montana   [b]From:[/b] nomad59@... [b]Sent:[/b] Wednesday, April 16, 2014 1:16 PM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] UTC time on watchs?? (NKLR)     Hey all Geeks. I just got a new casio pathfinder PAG240-1 watch and it has UTC time mode. Why would someone NON- pilot, military ETC ETC. use it??? (need it?) Or should I just forget this function? Thanks Travel Safe! Travel Well! Mark (W. Michigan)

[Bogdan Swider]

Speaking of the adjuster bolt I'll test the memory of the list's veterans.  When loosening said bolt, what was the proscribed number of turns that was considered safe ? Remember when Elden fathered this issue, he figured out that if you turn out too much the lever could fall off. I seem to remember 3/4 turn out or was it 1 3/4. Oh yeah with the bike leaned to the right. Since, in my ancient ride, the balancer system appears to have settled in, I haven't done it in a long while. Thinking about it, I probably should.

I do think that La Paz Pete should take a turn pun intended - at loosening and tightening the adjuster bolt as it may be more necessary early in the bike's career than later.

Bogdan

[Fred Hink]

Well I was there when this was discussed and I didn t agree with it then and I don t agree with it now.  There are about 12 threads (ask me how I know) on the adjuster bolt.  The washer and doohickey will take up a few of those, so I would say the bolt won t come away from the engine until at least 8 to 10 turns out.  Anything less than that would be considered safe .  Your doohickey won t come loose from the engine even if you take out the adjust bolt since it is attached (hopefully) to the eccentric shaft.  What will come loose, at least after 90 models, is the flat washer under the head of the adjuster bolt.   Also a bigger potential problem, if you loosen the adjuster bolt and the doohickey is broken, the pieces that were held down with the adjuster bolt may now be free to roam the innards of your engine.  Loose pieces running amok inside your engine to do other damage is not a good idea.   So to answer your question, you should feel comfortable turning out this adjuster bolt a couple of turns and nothing is going to fall off unless the doohickey is already broken.  I d lightly tap on this bolt once it is loosened in case the washer has been forced into the doohickey slot and not letting the spring make the adjustment.    Piece of mind has sold a LOT of KLR parts.   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] bSwider@... [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, April 17, 2014 10:46 AM [b]To:[/b] BSwider@... ; pete93003@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Adjuster Bolt    

Speaking of the adjuster bolt I'll test the memory of the list's veterans.  When loosening said bolt, what was the proscribed number of turns that was considered safe ? Remember when Elden fathered this issue, he figured out that if you turn out too much the lever could fall off. I seem to remember 3/4 turn out or was it 1 3/4. Oh yeah with the bike leaned to the right. Since, in my ancient ride, the balancer system appears to have settled in, I haven't done it in a long while. Thinking about it, I probably should.   I do think that La Paz Pete should take a turn pun intended - at loosening and tightening the adjuster bolt as it may be more necessary early in the bike's career than later.   Bogdan

[Bogdan Swider]

Great, Fred ! One less thing to worry about. That will free my mind to obsess on the planet or, if that's too grand a subject, maybe the desert tortoise. Bogdan From: Fred Hink Date: Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:03 AM To: "pete93003@..." , "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>, Bogdan Swider Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Adjuster Bolt   Well I was there when this was discussed and I didn t agree with it then and I don t agree with it now.  There are about 12 threads (ask me how I know) on the adjuster bolt.  The washer and doohickey will take up a few of those, so I would say the bolt won t come away from the engine until at least 8 to 10 turns out.  Anything less than that would be considered safe .  Your doohickey won t come loose from the engine even if you take out the adjust bolt since it is attached (hopefully) to the eccentric shaft.  What will come loose, at least after 90 models, is the flat washer under the head of the adjuster bolt.   Also a bigger potential problem, if you loosen the adjuster bolt and the doohickey is broken, the pieces that were held down with the adjuster bolt may now be free to roam the innards of your engine.  Loose pieces running amok inside your engine to do other damage is not a good idea.   So to answer your question, you should feel comfortable turning out this adjuster bolt a couple of turns and nothing is going to fall off unless the doohickey is already broken.  I d lightly tap on this bolt once it is loosened in case the washer has been forced into the doohickey slot and not letting the spring make the adjustment.    Piece of mind has sold a LOT of KLR parts.   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] bSwider@... [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, April 17, 2014 10:46 AM [b]To:[/b] BSwider@... ; pete93003@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Adjuster Bolt     Speaking of the adjuster bolt I'll test the memory of the list's veterans.  When loosening said bolt, what was the proscribed number of turns that was considered safe ? Remember when Elden fathered this issue, he figured out that if you turn out too much the lever could fall off. I seem to remember 3/4 turn out or was it 1 3/4. Oh yeah with the bike leaned to the right. Since, in my ancient ride, the balancer system appears to have settled in, I haven't done it in a long while. Thinking about it, I probably should.   I do think that La Paz Pete should take a turn pun intended - at loosening and tightening the adjuster bolt as it may be more necessary early in the bike's career than later.   Bogdan

[RobertWichert]

Yeah, Fred is SO RIGHT! That thing takes forever to unscrew. And as soon as it is loose, well, that's loose enough unless something is stuck. And I always recommend hammering on everything, just for good measure. Not jumping on the band wagon, just echoing Fred's sage advice. Been in there recently, and have done it all! Ha! Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 4/17/2014 10:03 AM, Fred Hink wrote:

Well I was there when this was discussed and I didn t agree with it then and I don t agree with it now. There are about 12 threads (ask me how I know) on the adjuster bolt. The washer and doohickey will take up a few of those, so I would say the bolt won t come away from the engine until at least 8 to 10 turns out. Anything less than that would be considered safe . Your doohickey won t come loose from the engine even if you take out the adjust bolt since it is attached (hopefully) to the eccentric shaft. What will come loose, at least after 90 models, is the flat washer under the head of the adjuster bolt. Also a bigger potential problem, if you loosen the adjuster bolt and the doohickey is broken, the pieces that were held down with the adjuster bolt may now be free to roam the innards of your engine. Loose pieces running amok inside your engine to do other damage is not a good idea. So to answer your question, you should feel comfortable turning out this adjuster bolt a couple of turns and nothing is going to fall off unless the doohickey is already broken. I d lightly tap on this bolt once it is loosened in case the washer has been forced into the doohickey slot and not letting the spring make the adjustment. Piece of mind has sold a LOT of KLR parts. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com [b]From:[/b] bSwider@... [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, April 17, 2014 10:46 AM [b]To:[/b] BSwider@... ; pete93003@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Adjuster Bolt Speaking of the adjuster bolt I'll test the memory of the list's veterans. When loosening said bolt, what was the proscribed number of turns that was considered safe ? Remember when Elden fathered this issue, he figured out that if you turn out too much the lever could fall off. I seem to remember 3/4 turn out or was it 1 3/4. Oh yeah with the bike leaned to the right. Since, in my ancient ride, the balancer system appears to have settled in, I haven't done it in a long while. Thinking about it, I probably should. I do think that La Paz Pete should take a turn pun intended - at loosening and tightening the adjuster bolt as it may be more necessary early in the bike's career than later. Bogdan

[John Biccum]

Something to remember is that the spring is frequently broken. If the bolt is loosened on a bike that has a broken spring the quadrant moves and the cam chain become looser. In these cases there might be any "safe" amount to loosen the hold down bolt. I did my 2002 at 2K miles and the spring was broken. At tech days I've attended we have seen as many broken springs as broken doohickeys. From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RobertWichert Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:38 PM To: Fred Hink; pete93003@...; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com; Bogdan Swider Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Adjuster Bolt Yeah, Fred is SO RIGHT! That thing takes forever to unscrew. And as soon as it is loose, well, that's loose enough unless something is stuck. And I always recommend hammering on everything, just for good measure. Not jumping on the band wagon, just echoing Fred's sage advice. Been in there recently, and have done it all! Ha! Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 4/17/2014 10:03 AM, Fred Hink wrote: Well I was there when this was discussed and I didn't agree with it then and I don't agree with it now. There are about 12 threads (ask me how I know) on the adjuster bolt. The washer and "doohickey" will take up a few of those, so I would say the bolt won't come away from the engine until at least 8 to 10 turns out. Anything less than that would be considered "safe". Your "doohickey" won't come loose from the engine even if you take out the adjust bolt since it is attached (hopefully) to the eccentric shaft. What will come loose, at least after 90 models, is the flat washer under the head of the adjuster bolt. Also a bigger potential problem, if you loosen the adjuster bolt and the "doohickey" is broken, the pieces that were held down with the adjuster bolt may now be free to roam the innards of your engine. Loose pieces running amok inside your engine to do other damage is not a good idea. So to answer your question, you should feel comfortable turning out this adjuster bolt a couple of turns and nothing is going to fall off unless the doohickey is already broken. I'd lightly tap on this bolt once it is loosened in case the washer has been forced into the doohickey slot and not letting the spring make the adjustment. Piece of mind has sold a LOT of KLR parts. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: Bogdan Swider Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 10:46 AM To: Bogdan Swider ; pete93003@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Adjuster Bolt Speaking of the adjuster bolt..I'll test the memory of the list's veterans. When loosening said bolt, what was the proscribed number of turns that was considered safe ? Remember when Elden fathered this issue, he figured out that if you turn out too much the lever could fall off. I seem to remember 3/4 turn out - or was it 1 3/4. Oh yeah.with the bike leaned to the right. Since, in my ancient ride, the balancer system appears to have settled in, I haven't done it in a long while. Thinking about it, I probably should. I do think that La Paz Pete should take a turn - pun intended - at loosening and tightening the adjuster bolt as it may be more necessary early in the bike's career than later. Bogdan ---------- ---------- ---------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[RobertWichert]

My spring was broken too.  25,000 miles.  It vibrated more after I loosened it.  Made me curious. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 4/17/2014 7:05 PM, John Biccum wrote:

Something to remember is that the spring is frequently broken.

 

If the bolt is loosened on a bike that has a broken spring the quadrant moves and the cam chain become looser.  In these cases there might be any “safe” amount to loosen the hold down bolt. 

 

I did my 2002 at 2K miles and the spring was broken.  At tech days I’ve attended we have seen as many broken springs as broken doohickeys.

 

[b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]RobertWichert [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:38 PM [b]To:[/b] Fred Hink; pete93003@yahoo.com; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com; Bogdan Swider [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Adjuster Bolt

 

 

Yeah, Fred is SO RIGHT!      That thing takes forever to unscrew. And as soon as it is loose, well, that's loose enough unless something is stuck.  And I always recommend hammering on everything, just for good measure. Not jumping on the band wagon, just echoing Fred's sage advice.  Been in there recently, and have done it all!  Ha!

Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068               =============================================== On 4/17/2014 10:03 AM, Fred Hink wrote:

 

Well I was there when this was discussed and I didn’t agree with it then and I don’t agree with it now.  There are about 12 threads (ask me how I know) on the adjuster bolt.  The washer and “doohickey” will take up a few of those, so I would say the bolt won’t come away from the engine until at least 8 to 10 turns out.  Anything less than that would be considered “safe”.  Your “doohickey” won’t come loose from the engine even if you take out the adjust bolt since it is attached (hopefully) to the eccentric shaft.  What will come loose, at least after 90 models, is the flat washer under the head of the adjuster bolt.   Also a bigger potential problem, if you loosen the adjuster bolt and the “doohickey” is broken, the pieces that were held down with the adjuster bolt may now be free to roam the innards of your engine.  Loose pieces running amok inside your engine to do other damage is not a good idea.

 

So to answer your question, you should feel comfortable turning out this adjuster bolt a couple of turns and nothing is going to fall off unless the doohickey is already broken.  I’d lightly tap on this bolt once it is loosened in case the washer has been forced into the doohickey slot and not letting the spring make the adjustment. 

 

Piece of mind has sold a LOT of KLR parts.

 

Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com

 

[b]From:[/b] bSwider@coloradocollege.edu

[b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, April 17, 2014 10:46 AM

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[b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Adjuster Bolt

 

 

Speaking of the adjuster bolt……I'll test the memory of the list's veterans.  When loosening said bolt, what was the proscribed number of turns that was considered safe ? Remember when Elden fathered this issue, he figured out that if you turn out too much the lever could fall off. I seem to remember 3/4 turn out – or was it 1 3/4. Oh yeah…with the bike leaned to the right. Since, in my ancient ride, the balancer system appears to have settled in, I haven't done it in a long while. Thinking about it, I probably should.

 

I do think that La Paz Pete should take a turn – pun intended - at loosening and tightening the adjuster bolt as it may be more necessary early in the bike's career than later.

 

Bogdan