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Santa riding a KLR?...surely you're mistaken, Sinter Claus is Bavarian, so naturally he rides an Austrian made KTM Adventure Series Best, Jake Reddick Fla. A spoon does not know the taste of soup, nor a learned fool the taste of wisdom http://www.flickr.com/photos/26137108@N04/sets/72157637690098253/

  Unfortunately, the KLR is simply not on. Anyone who has experienced rush hour in Baker Lake, or Old Crow will know that the only choices are quads and lots of old trikes. The old ATC's are liked because the three wheel tracks offer less tundra damage than to the two tracks from (often much heavier) quads.   A KLR would simply bog down in the soft stuff. I don't think that eight tiny reindeer are sufficient to extricate a Cowasaki.

Well,According the Viagra (TV) commercial, two quarter-horses are enough to extract a stuck pickup that is still attached to a huge livestock trailer.So maybe there is hope for a cowasaki in a bog.... In another part of the country that was created for the KLR (central KY)...Recently, while delivering freight to an Amish customer, my father backed one rear wheel of his heavily loaded, dually delivery ton-truck into the ditch while attempting to turnaround. He fretted about how much down time he was going to have, waiting for a tow truck plus the tow bill in the remote location. Before he could even get a tow-truck located, a beautiful Belgium plow horse appeared from the adjacent barn and hooked on to the bumper/frame. "You really think one horse will tow that truck out of the ditch?""If it won't, we will be getting a new horse." Yep. Just one horsepower...and it did. It was not the quantity of 'horsepower' applied, but the traction and torque of one horsepower.A Belgium has a huge footprint, much like the three-wheelers, giving them an advantage one would not expect if they had not seen it done before. So, if one Amish 'pony' can pull out a heavily laden, albeit, a 'fat-truck'why shouldn't a Cowasaki be able to pull a fat man around/through a bog?I have seen it tried several times in this neck of the woods; albeit, the fat men were seldom in red costumes. shrug. Still not convinced?sigh. Me neither. revmaaatin. 62F yesterday, 9F today and who had to defrost 3 vehicles from under a glaze of freezing rain this morning.

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Norm Keller wrote: [u][/u] Unfortunately, the KLR is simply not on. Anyone who has experienced rush hour in Baker Lake, or Old Crow will know that the only choices are quads and lots of old trikes. The old ATC's are liked because the three wheel tracks offer less tundra damage than to the two tracks from (often much heavier) quads. A KLR would simply bog down in the soft stuff. I don't think that eight tiny reindeer are sufficient to extricate a Cowasaki.

Martin posted: " So, if one Amish 'pony' can pull out a heavily laden, albeit, a 'fat-truck' why shouldn't a Cowasaki be able to pull a fat man around/through a bog? "   I'll have you know that I am extremely insulted by your comment....oh, you meant Santa was the fat man? That's different.    Wondered how my Cowasaki & I got into that bog...   Another aspect of that will be that the plow horse was undoubtedly a very skilled operator. People who have not experience with working animals often don't recognize that skills and abilities are required in their work. Those skills and abilities often exceed those of the humans who are also involved.   Hook a horse whom doesn't know what he's about onto that truck and he's likely have no success at all.   A friend was active in sled dog racing which was very interesting to observe but the most interesting was that of his swing dog who was also in the light dog class of one dog pull competition. Midas weighed about 80 pounds (I think) and could start a heavily loaded sled which several dogs couldn't budge. I've tried to move the things by myself and could only manage by copying his techniques. He would lunge upward and to one side, then forward which broke the runners loose and started the sled moving, one runner first. The more often I saw him to this, the more impressive it became as I quickly came to the recognition that I was not appreciating more than a small part of what was involved in his technique.   He used different methods in pulling other loads such as a wheeled load. Impressive fellow and very, very smart about that stuff. One could hitch a 200 pound St Bernard to the sled and the dog would be unable to move. Part of the technique was the recognition as to when something could be moved. Most animals will not try very hard to move something because they believe that they are secured to something which cannot be moved.   Our wolf cross would pull very heavy loads but would pull only 1/2 of the load. If the person involved backed off, he would also. Smart guy who wasn't to be exploited. He would pull heavy loads of wood on his own but only when I was loading the sled and my wife was unloading at the other end. We each had a separate task which was OK with him. He would not pull me on a toboggan but would pull a child plus far more weight that I. Midas made him look silly in starting loads despite that our dog was larger and stronger. Once the load was moving, our dog could pull faster & further but wasn't an artist in starting the loads so would never have been a ranking competitor.   It's always good to watch "someone" who can do something very well.   An old friend who is a retired Marine Corps. pilot tells me that the Air Force have monkeys flying their planes. Now that I want to see.    

----- Original Message ----- [b]From:[/b] mjearl4@... [b]To:[/b] normkel32@... [b]Cc:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:13 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Is Santa nklr ? Well, According the Viagra (TV) commercial, two quarter-horses are enough to extract a stuck pickup that is still attached to a huge livestock trailer. So maybe there is hope for a cowasaki in a bog.... In another part of the country that was created for the KLR (central KY)... Recently, while delivering freight to an Amish customer, my father backed one rear wheel of his heavily loaded, dually delivery ton-truck into the ditch while attempting to turnaround. He fretted about how much down time he was going to have, waiting for a tow truck plus the tow bill in the remote location.   Before he could even get a tow-truck located, a beautiful Belgium plow horse appeared from the adjacent barn and hooked on to the bumper/frame. "You really think one horse will tow that truck out of the ditch?" "If it won't, we will be getting a new horse." Yep.  Just one horsepower...and it did. It was not the quantity of 'horsepower' applied, but the traction and torque of one horsepower. A Belgium has a huge footprint, much like the three-wheelers, giving them an advantage one would not expect if they had not seen it done before. So, if one Amish 'pony' can pull out a heavily laden, albeit, a 'fat-truck' why shouldn't a Cowasaki be able to pull a fat man around/through a bog? I have seen it tried several times in this neck of the woods; albeit, the fat men were seldom in red costumes. shrug. Still not convinced? sigh.  Me neither. revmaaatin. 62F yesterday, 9F today and who had to defrost 3 vehicles from under a glaze of freezing rain this morning. On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Norm Keller wrote: [u][/u]   Unfortunately, the KLR is simply not on. Anyone who has experienced rush hour in Baker Lake, or Old Crow will know that the only choices are quads and lots of old trikes. The old ATC's are liked because the three wheel tracks offer less tundra damage than to the two tracks from (often much heavier) quads.   A KLR would simply bog down in the soft stuff. I don't think that eight tiny reindeer are sufficient to extricate a Cowasaki.

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Such is the nature of the saying "You can't make a wheel horse out of a lead horse."  In multi-horse teams, the lead horse pulled around the corner in the direction of travel.  The wheel horse, on the other hand, would pull to the outside of the corner to allow the wagon to clear the inside radius obstruction.  Each its task and not interchangeable.   Todd   [b]From:[/b] normkel32@... [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, December 19, 2013 12:01 PM [b]To:[/b] mjearl4@... [b]Cc:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Is Santa nklr ?   Martin posted: " So, if one Amish 'pony' can pull out a heavily laden, albeit, a 'fat-truck' why shouldn't a Cowasaki be able to pull a fat man around/through a bog? "   I'll have you know that I am extremely insulted by your comment....oh, you meant Santa was the fat man? That's different.    Wondered how my Cowasaki & I got into that bog...   Another aspect of that will be that the plow horse was undoubtedly a very skilled operator. People who have not experience with working animals often don't recognize that skills and abilities are required in their work. Those skills and abilities often exceed those of the humans who are also involved.   Hook a horse whom doesn't know what he's about onto that truck and he's likely have no success at all.   A friend was active in sled dog racing which was very interesting to observe but the most interesting was that of his swing dog who was also in the light dog class of one dog pull competition. Midas weighed about 80 pounds (I think) and could start a heavily loaded sled which several dogs couldn't budge. I've tried to move the things by myself and could only manage by copying his techniques. He would lunge upward and to one side, then forward which broke the runners loose and started the sled moving, one runner first. The more often I saw him to this, the more impressive it became as I quickly came to the recognition that I was not appreciating more than a small part of what was involved in his technique.   He used different methods in pulling other loads such as a wheeled load. Impressive fellow and very, very smart about that stuff. One could hitch a 200 pound St Bernard to the sled and the dog would be unable to move. Part of the technique was the recognition as to when something could be moved. Most animals will not try very hard to move something because they believe that they are secured to something which cannot be moved.   Our wolf cross would pull very heavy loads but would pull only 1/2 of the load. If the person involved backed off, he would also. Smart guy who wasn't to be exploited. He would pull heavy loads of wood on his own but only when I was loading the sled and my wife was unloading at the other end. We each had a separate task which was OK with him. He would not pull me on a toboggan but would pull a child plus far more weight that I. Midas made him look silly in starting loads despite that our dog was larger and stronger. Once the load was moving, our dog could pull faster & further but wasn't an artist in starting the loads so would never have been a ranking competitor.   It's always good to watch "someone" who can do something very well.   An old friend who is a retired Marine Corps. pilot tells me that the Air Force have monkeys flying their planes. Now that I want to see.    

----- Original Message ----- [b]From:[/b] mjearl4@... [b]To:[/b] normkel32@... [b]Cc:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:13 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Is Santa nklr ? Well, According the Viagra (TV) commercial, two quarter-horses are enough to extract a stuck pickup that is still attached to a huge livestock trailer. So maybe there is hope for a cowasaki in a bog.... In another part of the country that was created for the KLR (central KY)... Recently, while delivering freight to an Amish customer, my father backed one rear wheel of his heavily loaded, dually delivery ton-truck into the ditch while attempting to turnaround. He fretted about how much down time he was going to have, waiting for a tow truck plus the tow bill in the remote location.   Before he could even get a tow-truck located, a beautiful Belgium plow horse appeared from the adjacent barn and hooked on to the bumper/frame. "You really think one horse will tow that truck out of the ditch?" "If it won't, we will be getting a new horse." Yep.  Just one horsepower...and it did. It was not the quantity of 'horsepower' applied, but the traction and torque of one horsepower. A Belgium has a huge footprint, much like the three-wheelers, giving them an advantage one would not expect if they had not seen it done before. So, if one Amish 'pony' can pull out a heavily laden, albeit, a 'fat-truck' why shouldn't a Cowasaki be able to pull a fat man around/through a bog? I have seen it tried several times in this neck of the woods; albeit, the fat men were seldom in red costumes. shrug. Still not convinced? sigh.  Me neither. revmaaatin. 62F yesterday, 9F today and who had to defrost 3 vehicles from under a glaze of freezing rain this morning. On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Norm Keller wrote: [u][/u]   Unfortunately, the KLR is simply not on. Anyone who has experienced rush hour in Baker Lake, or Old Crow will know that the only choices are quads and lots of old trikes. The old ATC's are liked because the three wheel tracks offer less tundra damage than to the two tracks from (often much heavier) quads.   A KLR would simply bog down in the soft stuff. I don't think that eight tiny reindeer are sufficient to extricate a Cowasaki.

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Ho ho ho  I resemble that remark, and given your logic tend to agree. On Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:14 PM, Martin Earl wrote:   Well,According the Viagra (TV) commercial, two quarter-horses are enough to extract a stuck pickup that is still attached to a huge livestock trailer.So maybe there is hope for a cowasaki in a bog.... In another part of the country that was created for the KLR (central KY)...Recently, while delivering freight to an Amish customer, my father backed one rear wheel of his heavily loaded, dually delivery ton-truck into the ditch while attempting to turnaround. He fretted about how much down time he was going to have, waiting for a tow truck plus the tow bill in the remote location.   Before he could even get a tow-truck located, a beautiful Belgium plow horse appeared from the adjacent barn and hooked on to the bumper/frame. "You really think one horse will tow that truck out of the ditch?""If it won't, we will be getting a new horse." Yep.  Just one horsepower...and it did. It was not the quantity of 'horsepower' applied, but the traction and torque of one horsepower.A Belgium has a huge footprint, much like the three-wheelers, giving them an advantage one would not expect if they had not seen it done before. So, if one Amish 'pony' can pull out a heavily laden, albeit, a 'fat-truck'why shouldn't a Cowasaki be able to pull a fat man around/through a bog?I have seen it tried several times in this neck of the woods; albeit, the fat men were seldom in red costumes. shrug. Still not convinced?sigh.  Me neither. revmaaatin. 62F yesterday, 9F today and who had to defrost 3 vehicles from under a glaze of freezing rain this morning.

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Norm Keller wrote: [u][/u]   Unfortunately, the KLR is simply not on. Anyone who has experienced rush hour in Baker Lake, or Old Crow will know that the only choices are quads and lots of old trikes. The old ATC's are liked because the three wheel tracks offer less tundra damage than to the two tracks from (often much heavier) quads.   A KLR would simply bog down in the soft stuff. 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