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Explain why this is NOT a good idea?
For winter storage Run engine until dry. (empty gas tank etc. then Run out Carb gas.) As Most do.
BUT then add a 1/2Pint+- of White Gas, also know for being Pure and CLEAN.
3 years now I have Drained then run my Generator until it stops. (runs dry)
THEN , each spring the tiny bit of CORN-gas that is left plugs up the needle valve, ports etc. (SOMETHING LIKE THAT) and I have to have the carb cleaned to get the WHITE FILM OUT.
Many aditives 4oz is about $8.-$12. White gas $14. a gallon. (I use it in my Whisper-lite DS-ing stove (backpacking. LOL)
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At 5:05 PM -0800 11/6/13, mark ward wrote:
White gas $14. a gallon.
Coleman white gas is $9.88 a gallon at my local WalMart.
Mark
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Mark,Not splitting hairs-- but suggesting adding 1/2pt of white gas (if it is even a good idea) needs to be tempered with a ratio = 1/2 pt to #gals of gas.Mixing your metaphors of gas generators and KLR's leaves the gentle reader wondering why/if you picked 1/2 pt for all applications. m.
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:05 PM, mark ward wrote: Explain why this is NOT a good idea? For winter storage Run engine until dry. (empty gas tank etc. then Run out Carb gas.) As Most do. BUT then add a 1/2Pint+- of White Gas, also know for being Pure and CLEAN. 3 years now I have Drained then run my Generator until it stops. (runs dry) THEN , each spring the tiny bit of CORN-gas that is left plugs up the needle valve, ports etc. (SOMETHING LIKE THAT) and I have to have the carb cleaned to get the WHITE FILM OUT. Many aditives 4oz is about $8.-$12. White gas $14. a gallon. (I use it in my Whisper-lite DS-ing stove (backpacking. LOL)
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No metaphor, I do NOT "store My KLR, at most it sits about 3 weeks, even in January in Michigan. I have a about 12 small engines, and my 8000watt Generator seems to have the most sensitive carb. (do to the Governor??)
[b]From:[/b] Martin Earl [b]To:[/b] mark ward [b]Cc:[/b] List KLR DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:38 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Gas storage idea? (NONKLR-kinda) Mark,Not splitting hairs-- but suggesting adding 1/2pt of white gas (if it is even a good idea) needs to be tempered with a ratio = 1/2 pt to #gals of gas.Mixing your metaphors of gas generators and KLR's leaves the gentle reader wondering why/if you picked 1/2 pt for all applications. m.On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:05 PM, mark ward wrote: Explain why this is NOT a good idea? For winter storage Run engine until dry. (empty gas tank etc. then Run out Carb gas.) As Most do. BUT then add a 1/2Pint+- of White Gas, also know for being Pure and CLEAN. 3 years now I have Drained then run my Generator until it stops. (runs dry) THEN , each spring the tiny bit of CORN-gas that is left plugs up the needle valve, ports etc. (SOMETHING LIKE THAT) and I have to have the carb cleaned to get the WHITE FILM OUT. Many aditives 4oz is about $8.-$12. White gas $14. a gallon. (I use it in my Whisper-lite DS-ing stove (backpacking. LOL)
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Star Tron additive has fixed my quirky Concours carb problems. Much better than Sea Foam....just saying.
Criswell
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No metaphor, I do NOT "store My KLR, at most it sits about 3 weeks, even in January in Michigan. I have a about 12 small engines, and my 8000watt Generator seems to have the most sensitive carb. (do to the Governor??) [b]From:[/b] Martin Earl [b]To:[/b] mark ward [b]Cc:[/b] List KLR DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:38 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Gas storage idea? (NONKLR-kinda) Mark,Not splitting hairs-- but suggesting adding 1/2pt of white gas (if it is even a good idea) needs to be tempered with a ratio = 1/2 pt to #gals of gas.Mixing your metaphors of gas generators and KLR's leaves the gentle reader wondering why/if you picked 1/2 pt for all applications. m.On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:05 PM, mark ward wrote: Explain why this is NOT a good idea? For winter storage Run engine until dry. (empty gas tank etc. then Run out Carb gas.) As Most do. BUT then add a 1/2Pint+- of White Gas, also know for being Pure and CLEAN. 3 years now I have Drained then run my Generator until it stops. (runs dry) THEN , each spring the tiny bit of CORN-gas that is left plugs up the needle valve, ports etc. (SOMETHING LIKE THAT) and I have to have the carb cleaned to get the WHITE FILM OUT. Many aditives 4oz is about $8.-$12. White gas $14. a gallon. (I use it in my Whisper-lite DS-ing stove (backpacking. LOL)On Nov 6, 2013, at 7:51 PM, mark ward wrote:
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"White Gas" contains petroleum naphtha and is used as an industrial solvent for rubber.
It's particularly good at dissolving rubber fuel lines and the little o-rings that seal stuff up inside your carb.
-Jeff Khoury
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Criswell" To: "mark ward" Cc: "Martin Earl" , "List KLR" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 7:07:08 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Gas storage idea? (NONKLR-kinda) Star Tron additive has fixed my quirky Concours carb problems. Much better than Sea Foam....just saying. Criswell Sent from my iPad On Nov 6, 2013, at 7:51 PM, mark ward < nomad59@... > wrote: No metaphor, I do NOT "store My KLR, at most it sits about 3 weeks, even in January in Michigan. I have a about 12 small engines, and my 8000watt Generator seems to have the most sensitive carb. (do to the Governor??) From: Martin Earl < mjearl4@... > To: mark ward < nomad59@... > Cc: List KLR < DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Gas storage idea? (NONKLR-kinda) Mark, Not splitting hairs-- but suggesting adding 1/2pt of white gas (if it is even a good idea) needs to be tempered with a ratio = 1/2 pt to #gals of gas. Mixing your metaphors of gas generators and KLR's leaves the gentle reader wondering why/if you picked 1/2 pt for all applications. m. On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:05 PM, mark ward < nomad59@... > wrote: Explain why this is NOT a good idea? For winter storage Run engine until dry. (empty gas tank etc. then Run out Carb gas.) As Most do. BUT then add a 1/2Pint+- of White Gas, also know for being Pure and CLEAN. 3 years now I have Drained then run my Generator until it stops. (runs dry) THEN , each spring the tiny bit of CORN-gas that is left plugs up the needle valve, ports etc. (SOMETHING LIKE THAT) and I have to have the carb cleaned to get the WHITE FILM OUT. Many aditives 4oz is about $8.-$12. White gas $14. a gallon. (I use it in my Whisper-lite DS-ing stove (backpacking. LOL)
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OW THAT'S an issue needed to be known. Thanks J.
[b]From:[/b] Jeff Khoury [b]To:[/b] Ron Criswell [b]Cc:[/b] Martin Earl ; List KLR DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>; mark ward [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:09 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Gas storage idea? (NONKLR-kinda) "White Gas" contains petroleum naphtha and is used as an industrial solvent for rubber. It's particularly good at dissolving rubber fuel lines and the little o-rings that seal stuff up inside your carb. -Jeff Khoury ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Criswell" To: "mark ward" Cc: "Martin Earl" , "List KLR" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 7:07:08 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Gas storage idea? (NONKLR-kinda) Star Tron additive has fixed my quirky Concours carb problems. Much better than Sea Foam....just saying. Criswell Sent from my iPad On Nov 6, 2013, at 7:51 PM, mark ward < nomad59@... > wrote: No metaphor, I do NOT "store My KLR, at most it sits about 3 weeks, even in January in Michigan. I have a about 12 small engines, and my 8000watt Generator seems to have the most sensitive carb. (do to the Governor??) From: Martin Earl < mjearl4@... > To: mark ward < nomad59@... > Cc: List KLR < DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Gas storage idea? (NONKLR-kinda) Mark, Not splitting hairs-- but suggesting adding 1/2pt of white gas (if it is even a good idea) needs to be tempered with a ratio = 1/2 pt to #gals of gas. Mixing your metaphors of gas generators and KLR's leaves the gentle reader wondering why/if you picked 1/2 pt for all applications. m. On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:05 PM, mark ward < nomad59@... > wrote: Explain why this is NOT a good idea? For winter storage Run engine until dry. (empty gas tank etc. then Run out Carb gas.) As Most do. BUT then add a 1/2Pint+- of White Gas, also know for being Pure and CLEAN. 3 years now I have Drained then run my Generator until it stops. (runs dry) THEN , each spring the tiny bit of CORN-gas that is left plugs up the needle valve, ports etc. (SOMETHING LIKE THAT) and I have to have the carb cleaned to get the WHITE FILM OUT. Many aditives 4oz is about $8.-$12. White gas $14. a gallon. (I use it in my Whisper-lite DS-ing stove (backpacking. LOL)
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What you are suggesting is actually a practice used back in the day for lawn mowers in the winter and snow blowers in the summer. You would drain most of the gas out and put in some Coleman fuel. Then run the engine until you are sure that the mixture is in the carburetor and put it away. When time to get it out, you simply add gas and use the equipment. There is no rocket science here, just adding a fuel with almost indefinite storage properties. You would not want to run an engine on straight white gas, but a mix is not going to hurt anything. I am glad you brought this up. I had forgotten it.
Startron works ok for me most of the time if I only let a bike sit for a month. I used it in my DRZ after the Trans America Trail, where the bike sat for a year. The carb had green fuzz growing inside of it when I took it apart.. The fuel ate through the petcock seals, and leaked into the carb. I figure that microbial growth fed off of the ethanol and made the mess. $150 in parts later, I had the bike running.
I think I will put my bikes in storage with Coleman fuel and see what happens.
Thanks,
Doug
---In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Explain why this is NOT a good idea? For winter storage Run engine until dry. (empty gas tank etc. then Run out Carb gas.) As Most do. BUT then add a 1/2Pint+- of White Gas, also know for being Pure and CLEAN. 3 years now I have Drained then run my Generator until it stops. (runs dry) THEN , each spring the tiny bit of CORN-gas that is left plugs up the needle valve, ports etc. (SOMETHING LIKE THAT) and I have to have the carb cleaned to get the WHITE FILM OUT. Many aditives 4oz is about $8.-$12. White gas $14. a gallon. (I use it in my Whisper-lite DS-ing stove (backpacking. LOL)
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What I use to do and would still do if storing an carbed engine , was to drain the gas, then fill the carb up with WD 40. Drain the gas tank, let it dry and spray WD 40 in it. I've had carbs set up in the shop from a bike I had wrecked ( with my body on it sigh! ) for about 6 years. Sold them to a guy to put on his 920 Virago and it started and ran just like new from the get go. The carbs were off of an XV920RH of '82.
Always wonder if the Startron was mo betta than the Sea Foam. But , never heard from anyone that had used both. Thanks Ron, will try some. Heck with 2 bikes, 2 lawn mowers, 1 generator , 1 boat W/ 40 hp Yamaha and my truck = lots of maintenance. LOL!
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doohicky read & i believe......
I agree on the spring. Even after changing the broken doo in the parking lot at Canyonlands Campground, someone remarked the spring didn't seem to have enough tension, a year or two later I had Eagle Mike check it for me at Fred's. He went two sizes of springs before he was happy. Since then, I have had the torsion spring put on. I just wish I knew where that chunk of the doo about 3/8 an inch wide went in the engine some 30,000 miles ago. The doo was still on the shaft and I guess working....but the chunk was missing with no symptoms at all.
Criswellwho wishes the balencer was gear driven.
On Nov 8, 2013, at 9:16 AM, mark ward wrote: I believe (MY theory) The Doohickey breaks because, of not just being THIN, but over tightening. When I read how little pressure (psi)to torque the nut I realy wanted to TIGHTEN IT MORE, thinking it will come loose. What breaks is a small thin strip. where the bolt goes threw and TIGHTENS IT DOWN. and thinking of a spring PULLING on it, and VIBRATION I felt. "It just can NOT be tight enough", BUT followed the book, and ran 18,000 miles without it breaking, BUT!!!!!! BUT? when I opened it found the spring had not been of any use for MANY miles, already DE-sprong. and from the original marks on the DOO, it never realy was, it had barely moved from new, after each ADJUSTMENT??? (NOT) SO Bottom line? CHANGE IT. THE SPRING IS!!!, A BIG ISSUE BY IT'S SELF, AND WHILE IN THERE, INSTALL THE STRONGER DOO, TO AVOID ANY POSIBLE OVER TIGHENING AND DOWN TIME. $$$$$$$$$$$$$ [b]From:[/b] "achesley43@..." [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, November 8, 2013 8:55 AM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Doohicky read Following this trip report on ADVRider headed for South America on his KLR. Interesting observation on what happen to him. [u]Breaking Down The Doohickey[/u]If you just bought a KLR and it has not had the doohickey replaced the first place you need to go is to your mechanic, or your garage, and replace it. Don t say screw it and go to the movies first, don t say I can t afford it , the truth is you can t afford not to.The genius from whom I bought the bike did not do it, and the genius from whom he bought the bike did not do it. This is fine the doohickey may not break for thousands of miles, even hard riding, but then again, it can break as you are leaving the dealer s lot. I am not going to go into what the doohickey is because all of that is available online, but I will tell you what may happen if it breaks.There are many possible scenarios, but of course I found myself face to face with the worst.I was smart enough to buy a replacement from Happy-Trail, I was even smart enough to make an appointment with a mechanic in San Diego (my last stop in the states). But I was not smart enough to have the mechanics installing the gas tank and doing a tune-up in Los Angeles change it for me. I spent a long time looking for shops to sponsor me and managed to get a little from a few shops, but not the doohickey. So I figured I would try again in San Diego and if it came to naught I would have them do it at my expense. My last night in L.A, I picked up my bike from the shop and was going to where I was staying to pack my stuff for the next morning departure to San Diego. I had already spent more than a year traveling in the states and Canada and could not wait to get across the border where life would be a lot cheaper. As I was exiting the freeway, the engine suddenly shut off. Thankfully I was able to coast to the bottom and onto a sidewalk. I tried to start the engine but got only a weird rattle in response.I was furious! I had just left the mechanics, they seemed to give me a good deal on all the work they had done, and now it seems as though, through a mistake or maliciously, they have damaged my bike. But I was wrong. What happened was the doohickey snapped in half and sent the spring around the timing chain and into the cylinder shaft, damaging at least two valves.What normally costs $30 if you do it yourself, or $110 if you go to a shop, ended up costing me $650 and 7 extra days of staying in the country. By the way, $650 was what they charged me, the actual cost was around $1000. I had to replace two valves, the seals, the doohickey and the cam chain just in case there was damage to it.So, as I said, don t go to the movies, go to your garage and get it done.Just so you know what $650 means to me: almost a month and a half on the road. This includes fuel, food, museums, camping, beer
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