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Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:26 pm**

Here is a TAT video; at about 5.00 it goes all wrong. the pig? DR650. revmaaatin.

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:51 am**

Even better with the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BOOxl8jQhc skip ahead to 5.00 for the gut wrencher. It is noteable to watch to the end. It is why most of us should ride with a companion, which I think should be within sighting distance, not riding along 'later'. m.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > Here is a TAT video; at about 5.00 it goes all wrong. > the pig? DR650. > > revmaaatin. >

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:18 am**

He was obviously an experienced rider, having ridden 2400 miles in the dirt up to that point. I watched it twice, and the only thing I can say is that he didn't seem to back off the throttle and turning towards the cliff was not a good move, but the bike apparently had its own ideas. Not going too fast. Not showboating. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 4/18/2013 6:51 AM, revmaaatin wrote: > > Even better with the link. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BOOxl8jQhc > > skip ahead to 5.00 for the gut wrencher. > It is noteable to watch to the end. > It is why most of us should ride with a companion, which I think > should be within sighting distance, not riding along 'later'. > m. > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > Here is a TAT video; at about 5.00 it goes all wrong. > > the pig? DR650. > > > > revmaaatin. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:31 am**

I could see a whole list of novice mistakes he made. Look at the results. Guns kill people, spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat and KLRs crash all on their own. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: RobertWichert Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:18 AM To: revmaaatin ; klr Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: There is more than one 'pig' out there--NKLR He was obviously an experienced rider, having ridden 2400 miles in the dirt up to that point. I watched it twice, and the only thing I can say is that he didn't seem to back off the throttle and turning towards the cliff was not a good move, but the bike apparently had its own ideas. Not going too fast. Not showboating. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 4/18/2013 6:51 AM, revmaaatin wrote: > > Even better with the link. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BOOxl8jQhc > > skip ahead to 5.00 for the gut wrencher. > It is noteable to watch to the end. > It is why most of us should ride with a companion, which I think > should be within sighting distance, not riding along 'later'. > m. > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > , "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > Here is a TAT video; at about 5.00 it goes all wrong. > > the pig? DR650. > > > > revmaaatin. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:18 pm**

That definitely had to hurt. I'm only guessing here, but based on the conversations that took place shortly before the incident, I think he should have been stopped for the day. Sounded like he was definitely tired, possibly dehydrated, and certainly not up to the focus required for the area he was riding at that moment. Amazing that he walked away from that crash. Obvious that he concussed himself. "What the f*&#? I think I was riding my bike. . . Where's the road?" da Vermonster

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > > I could see a whole list of novice mistakes he made. Look at the results. > > Guns kill people, spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat and KLRs crash all on their own. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > From: RobertWichert > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:18 AM > To: revmaaatin ; klr > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: There is more than one 'pig' out there--NKLR > > > He was obviously an experienced rider, having ridden 2400 miles in the > dirt up to that point. I watched it twice, and the only thing I can say > is that he didn't seem to back off the throttle and turning towards the > cliff was not a good move, but the bike apparently had its own ideas. > > Not going too fast. > > Not showboating. > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > =============================================== > > On 4/18/2013 6:51 AM, revmaaatin wrote: > > > > Even better with the link. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BOOxl8jQhc > > > > skip ahead to 5.00 for the gut wrencher. > > It is noteable to watch to the end. > > It is why most of us should ride with a companion, which I think > > should be within sighting distance, not riding along 'later'. > > m. > > > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > > , "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > > > Here is a TAT video; at about 5.00 it goes all wrong. > > > the pig? DR650. > > > > > > revmaaatin. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:25 pm**

OK, so what were the "lessons learned" or "rookie mistakes"? I could see evidence of being a bit lackadaisical (tired, wanting the ride to end, letting the bike go where it wanted to instead of guiding it (is that a rookie mistake?)). Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 4/18/2013 10:18 AM, dat brooklyn bum wrote: > > That definitely had to hurt. I'm only guessing here, but based on the > conversations that took place shortly before the incident, I think he > should have been stopped for the day. Sounded like he was definitely > tired, possibly dehydrated, and certainly not up to the focus required > for the area he was riding at that moment. Amazing that he walked away > from that crash. Obvious that he concussed himself. "What the f*&#? I > think I was riding my bike. . . Where's the road?" > > da Vermonster > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , "Fred Hink" wrote: > > > > I could see a whole list of novice mistakes he made. Look at the > results. > > > > Guns kill people, spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat and KLRs crash all > on their own. > > > > Fred > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > > > > > From: RobertWichert > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:18 AM > > To: revmaaatin ; klr > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: There is more than one 'pig' out > there--NKLR > > > > > > He was obviously an experienced rider, having ridden 2400 miles in the > > dirt up to that point. I watched it twice, and the only thing I can say > > is that he didn't seem to back off the throttle and turning towards the > > cliff was not a good move, but the bike apparently had its own ideas. > > > > Not going too fast. > > > > Not showboating. > > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > > +1 916 966 9060 > > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > =============================================== > > > > On 4/18/2013 6:51 AM, revmaaatin wrote: > > > > > > Even better with the link. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BOOxl8jQhc > > > > > > skip ahead to 5.00 for the gut wrencher. > > > It is noteable to watch to the end. > > > It is why most of us should ride with a companion, which I think > > > should be within sighting distance, not riding along 'later'. > > > m. > > > > > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > > > , "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > > > > > Here is a TAT video; at about 5.00 it goes all wrong. > > > > the pig? DR650. > > > > > > > > revmaaatin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:32 pm**

Number one lesson there is cover the clutch and the front brake (and the rear brake in these situations). Then as soon as the squirrels get under your wheels you can react quickly. He only two seconds from the time the front the wheel went awry to the time it went over the cliff. If you ain't covering your levers (and you can see he wasn't), you're not gonna be able stop that. Aside from that, it's really hard to say without being there in terms of line selection, attack speed, etc. Sometimes things just go bad and you brace for impact. . . Howzabout that for a t-shirt, Rev? da Vermonster

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, RobertWichert wrote: > > OK, so what were the "lessons learned" or "rookie mistakes"? > > I could see evidence of being a bit lackadaisical (tired, wanting the > ride to end, letting the bike go where it wanted to instead of guiding > it (is that a rookie mistake?)). > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > > > =============================================== > > On 4/18/2013 10:18 AM, dat brooklyn bum wrote: > > > > That definitely had to hurt. I'm only guessing here, but based on the > > conversations that took place shortly before the incident, I think he > > should have been stopped for the day. Sounded like he was definitely > > tired, possibly dehydrated, and certainly not up to the focus required > > for the area he was riding at that moment. Amazing that he walked away > > from that crash. Obvious that he concussed himself. "What the f*&#? I > > think I was riding my bike. . . Where's the road?" > > > > da Vermonster > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > , "Fred Hink" wrote: > > > > > > I could see a whole list of novice mistakes he made. Look at the > > results. > > > > > > Guns kill people, spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat and KLRs crash all > > on their own. > > > > > > Fred > > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > > > > > > > > > From: RobertWichert > > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:18 AM > > > To: revmaaatin ; klr > > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: There is more than one 'pig' out > > there--NKLR > > > > > > > > > He was obviously an experienced rider, having ridden 2400 miles in the > > > dirt up to that point. I watched it twice, and the only thing I can say > > > is that he didn't seem to back off the throttle and turning towards the > > > cliff was not a good move, but the bike apparently had its own ideas. > > > > > > Not going too fast. > > > > > > Not showboating. > > > > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > > > +1 916 966 9060 > > > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > =============================================== > > > > > > On 4/18/2013 6:51 AM, revmaaatin wrote: > > > > > > > > Even better with the link. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BOOxl8jQhc > > > > > > > > skip ahead to 5.00 for the gut wrencher. > > > > It is noteable to watch to the end. > > > > It is why most of us should ride with a companion, which I think > > > > should be within sighting distance, not riding along 'later'. > > > > m. > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > > > > , "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Here is a TAT video; at about 5.00 it goes all wrong. > > > > > the pig? DR650. > > > > > > > > > > revmaaatin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Posted: **Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:16 pm**

You're right. Washing out the front end would have been better than going over the dropoff under power. Which is what he did. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 4/18/2013 2:32 PM, dat brooklyn bum wrote: > > Number one lesson there is cover the clutch and the front brake (and > the rear brake in these situations). Then as soon as the squirrels get > under your wheels you can react quickly. He only two seconds from the > time the front the wheel went awry to the time it went over the cliff. > If you ain't covering your levers (and you can see he wasn't), you're > not gonna be able stop that. > > Aside from that, it's really hard to say without being there in terms > of line selection, attack speed, etc. > > Sometimes things just go bad and you brace for impact. . . Howzabout > that for a t-shirt, Rev? > > da Vermonster > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , RobertWichert wrote: > > > > OK, so what were the "lessons learned" or "rookie mistakes"? > > > > I could see evidence of being a bit lackadaisical (tired, wanting the > > ride to end, letting the bike go where it wanted to instead of guiding > > it (is that a rookie mistake?)). > > > > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > > +1 916 966 9060 > > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =============================================== > > > > On 4/18/2013 10:18 AM, dat brooklyn bum wrote: > > > > > > That definitely had to hurt. I'm only guessing here, but based on the > > > conversations that took place shortly before the incident, I think he > > > should have been stopped for the day. Sounded like he was definitely > > > tired, possibly dehydrated, and certainly not up to the focus > required > > > for the area he was riding at that moment. Amazing that he walked > away > > > from that crash. Obvious that he concussed himself. "What the f*&#? I > > > think I was riding my bike. . . Where's the road?" > > > > > > da Vermonster > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > > , "Fred Hink" wrote: > > > > > > > > I could see a whole list of novice mistakes he made. Look at the > > > results. > > > > > > > > Guns kill people, spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat and KLRs crash > all > > > on their own. > > > > > > > > Fred > > > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: RobertWichert > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:18 AM > > > > To: revmaaatin ; klr > > > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: There is more than one 'pig' out > > > there--NKLR > > > > > > > > > > > > He was obviously an experienced rider, having ridden 2400 miles > in the > > > > dirt up to that point. I watched it twice, and the only thing I > can say > > > > is that he didn't seem to back off the throttle and turning > towards the > > > > cliff was not a good move, but the bike apparently had its own > ideas. > > > > > > > > Not going too fast. > > > > > > > > Not showboating. > > > > > > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > > > > +1 916 966 9060 > > > > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > > > =============================================== > > > > > > > > On 4/18/2013 6:51 AM, revmaaatin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Even better with the link. > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BOOxl8jQhc > > > > > > > > > > skip ahead to 5.00 for the gut wrencher. > > > > > It is noteable to watch to the end. > > > > > It is why most of us should ride with a companion, which I think > > > > > should be within sighting distance, not riding along 'later'. > > > > > m. > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > , "revmaaatin" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a TAT video; at about 5.00 it goes all wrong. > > > > > > the pig? DR650. > > > > > > > > > > > > revmaaatin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:54 am**

From his head and body movements I could tell that this guy was either nervous, excited or agitated. Stop, go, stop, go, jerk here jerk there. He was not smooth at all. You need to learn to relax. Being that far from home and on a trail that he most likely had never been on before, it a prime example of taking extra care to arrive alive. This wasn t the Alcan 5000 but a long distance endurance run where enjoying where you are should be more important and not letting the excitement dictate how you control your machine. He needed to learn to relax. Leaving his buddy in the dust could have proved to be fatal in his situation. Not waiting at an intersection to see that your friend knows where you went is a dumb novice mistake. He was more interested in taking his friends photo than traveling safely down the trail. He was too easily distracted. He used way too much throttle. His bike had too much weight (rearward) on it for the speed he was doing and the conditions of the trail and since he had most likely never been there before should have exercised more caution. Hind sight is always 20/20. The last rookie mistake I could see was as soon as he lost control of his front wheel, he should have been instantly off the throttle. That didn t happen and over the side he went. He is so lucky that getting his bell rang looks to be his only damages. I wonder if his friend ever came back. Climbing that hill at the speed he was going with the bike he had and it s weight combined with his nervousness and not letting off the throttle when it needed is what I believed to have caused this crash. He may also have been setting with his weight too far to the rear. It looks like he may have hit a bump harder than he wanted which moved him rearward which caused his arm to roll on more throttle which unloaded the front end and he lost control. We all learn from our mistakes but only 2400 miles is not very much experience. Control your machine at all costs. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: RobertWichert Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:25 PM To: dat brooklyn bum Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: There is more than one 'pig' out there--NKLR OK, so what were the "lessons learned" or "rookie mistakes"? I could see evidence of being a bit lackadaisical (tired, wanting the ride to end, letting the bike go where it wanted to instead of guiding it (is that a rookie mistake?)). Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 4/18/2013 10:18 AM, dat brooklyn bum wrote: > > That definitely had to hurt. I'm only guessing here, but based on the > conversations that took place shortly before the incident, I think he > should have been stopped for the day. Sounded like he was definitely > tired, possibly dehydrated, and certainly not up to the focus required > for the area he was riding at that moment. Amazing that he walked away > from that crash. Obvious that he concussed himself. "What the f*&#? I > think I was riding my bike. . . Where's the road?" > > da Vermonster > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > , "Fred Hink" wrote: > > > > I could see a whole list of novice mistakes he made. Look at the > results. > > > > Guns kill people, spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat and KLRs crash all > on their own. > > > > Fred > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > > > > > From: RobertWichert > > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:18 AM > > To: revmaaatin ; klr > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: There is more than one 'pig' out > there--NKLR > > > > > > He was obviously an experienced rider, having ridden 2400 miles in the > > dirt up to that point. I watched it twice, and the only thing I can say > > is that he didn't seem to back off the throttle and turning towards the > > cliff was not a good move, but the bike apparently had its own ideas. > > > > Not going too fast. > > > > Not showboating. > > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > > +1 916 966 9060 > > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > =============================================== > > > > On 4/18/2013 6:51 AM, revmaaatin wrote: > > > > > > Even better with the link. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BOOxl8jQhc > > > > > > skip ahead to 5.00 for the gut wrencher. > > > It is noteable to watch to the end. > > > It is why most of us should ride with a companion, which I think > > > should be within sighting distance, not riding along 'later'. > > > m. > > > > > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > > > , "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > > > > > Here is a TAT video; at about 5.00 it goes all wrong. > > > > the pig? DR650. > > > > > > > > revmaaatin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:49 pm**

I agree with everything Fred noted and also believe he may have focused on the "deep" rut or crack in the rock on his left and that helped start his left turn; also sounds like he was in too low a gear and going too fast for the conditions and "riding over his head". Been there, done that on all the above. Think how lucky we are to have survived some of the crashes we've experienced, all for the love of our "sport". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Wilsons Sandbox

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there is more than one 'pig' out there--nklr

there is more than one 'pig' out there--nklr

there is more than one 'pig' out there--nklr

there is more than one 'pig' out there--nklr

there is more than one 'pig' out there--nklr

there is more than one 'pig' out there--nklr

there is more than one 'pig' out there--nklr

there is more than one 'pig' out there--nklr

there is more than one 'pig' out there--nklr

there is more than one 'pig' out there--nklr