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That is such great news! There is now hope for us old f@rts of continued riding even in to our twilight years. I d like to be the first to have the Spyder ADV around the White Rim. I know several tow companies in town that would help (just in case). Thanks Gino for this great news. I bow to the Master. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: gpokluda Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 6:58 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Can Am to enter the adventure market Reliable sources within Can Am have confirmed that the subsidiary of Bombardier will enter the adventure touring motorcycle market with an all new off-road capable Spyder in mid to late summer. The Spyder Adv will be all new from the ground up and the only thing it will share in common with its road going Spyder brethren is the wheel configuration; two in front and one in back. Even the 998cc Rotax engine has been bumped to 1200cc. The real news however is in the drive train. Can Am simply wasn't content to add stickers and pseudo dirt tires to their machine and call it an adventure tourer. "The other manufacturers are content to warm over their existing lineup and have the nerve to call it `All New'", said Luke Parish of the Can Am design group. "We decided to put something genuinely new out there for the consumer." Can Am decided that if they made an adventure touring machine, it would have to match the legacy of their highly successful ATV and Utility line. So the Can Am Spyder Adv is All Wheel Drive. What's surprising is that Can Am didn't go to the design team of their off road division for a drivetrain, they went to Subaru. "Everyone makes AWD, these days, but Subaru does it right." remarks Parish. Parish couldn't give specifics but said the Can Am/Rotax/Subaru drivetrain is the most advanced drivetrain in motorcycling today. Coupled with the silky smooth semi-automatic transmission which uses paddle shifters and no clutch, the Can Am Spyder Adv should be a remarkably capable ride off road. With integrated braking and traction control delivered through an all driveshaft final drive, the Adv will be worry free and safe as well. "We started out making something new and different in a class of motorcycle that has succumbed to mediocrity," says Parish. "But we quickly found that we have made an adventure touring motorcycle that can extend the market to those riders who could not handle the behemoths that dominated it." What Parish made clear was that the Spyder Adv, with adjustable seat and floor boards, will fit a person that is 6'1" as well as someone that is 5'4". What's more is that Parish claims a novice rider can ride anywhere that a skilled rider on BMW GS can. From what we could see in the pre-production pictures, the Spyder Adv certainly looks the part with an abbreviated nose section shod with a brush guard and off road lighting. Larger wheels with tires that look suspiciously like BF Goodrich All-Terrains and what appears to be a large skid plate that runs stem to stern. Only time will tell if Spyder Adv (scheduled to be an early 2014 release) will receive a warmer welcome that its road going Spyder family. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

April Fools! --Bill _____ From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hink Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 6:09 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com; gpokluda Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Can Am to enter the adventure market That is such great news! There is now hope for us old f@rts of continued riding even in to our twilight years. I'd like to be the first to have the Spyder ADV around the White Rim. I know several tow companies in town that would help (just in case). Thanks Gino for this great news. I bow to the Master. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: gpokluda Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 6:58 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Can Am to enter the adventure market Reliable sources within Can Am have confirmed that the subsidiary of Bombardier will enter the adventure touring motorcycle market with an all new off-road capable Spyder in mid to late summer. The Spyder Adv will be all new from the ground up and the only thing it will share in common with its road going Spyder brethren is the wheel configuration; two in front and one in back. Even the 998cc Rotax engine has been bumped to 1200cc. The real news however is in the drive train. Can Am simply wasn't content to add stickers and pseudo dirt tires to their machine and call it an adventure tourer. "The other manufacturers are content to warm over their existing lineup and have the nerve to call it `All New'", said Luke Parish of the Can Am design group. "We decided to put something genuinely new out there for the consumer." Can Am decided that if they made an adventure touring machine, it would have to match the legacy of their highly successful ATV and Utility line. So the Can Am Spyder Adv is All Wheel Drive. What's surprising is that Can Am didn't go to the design team of their off road division for a drivetrain, they went to Subaru. "Everyone makes AWD, these days, but Subaru does it right." remarks Parish. Parish couldn't give specifics but said the Can Am/Rotax/Subaru drivetrain is the most advanced drivetrain in motorcycling today. Coupled with the silky smooth semi-automatic transmission which uses paddle shifters and no clutch, the Can Am Spyder Adv should be a remarkably capable ride off road. With integrated braking and traction control delivered through an all driveshaft final drive, the Adv will be worry free and safe as well. "We started out making something new and different in a class of motorcycle that has succumbed to mediocrity," says Parish. "But we quickly found that we have made an adventure touring motorcycle that can extend the market to those riders who could not handle the behemoths that dominated it." What Parish made clear was that the Spyder Adv, with adjustable seat and floor boards, will fit a person that is 6'1" as well as someone that is 5'4". What's more is that Parish claims a novice rider can ride anywhere that a skilled rider on BMW GS can. From what we could see in the pre-production pictures, the Spyder Adv certainly looks the part with an abbreviated nose section shod with a brush guard and off road lighting. Larger wheels with tires that look suspiciously like BF Goodrich All-Terrains and what appears to be a large skid plate that runs stem to stern. Only time will tell if Spyder Adv (scheduled to be an early 2014 release) will receive a warmer welcome that its road going Spyder family. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

This has got to be one of the top April 1 posts of all time. I am only sorry it does not have the 400cc Rotax 2-stroke power plant and twin lay-down shocks at the rear wheel.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "gpokluda" wrote: > > Reliable sources within Can Am have confirmed that the subsidiary of Bombardier will enter the adventure touring motorcycle market with an all new off-road capable Spyder in mid to late summer. The Spyder Adv will be all new from the ground up and the only thing it will share in common with its road going Spyder brethren is the wheel configuration; two in front and one in back. Even the 998cc Rotax engine has been bumped to 1200cc. The real news however is in the drive train. Can Am simply wasn't content to add stickers and pseudo dirt tires to their machine and call it an adventure tourer. > > "The other manufacturers are content to warm over their existing lineup and have the nerve to call it `All New'", said Luke Parish of the Can Am design group. "We decided to put something genuinely new out there for the consumer." > > Can Am decided that if they made an adventure touring machine, it would have to match the legacy of their highly successful ATV and Utility line. So the Can Am Spyder Adv is All Wheel Drive. What's surprising is that Can Am didn't go to the design team of their off road division for a drivetrain, they went to Subaru. > > "Everyone makes AWD, these days, but Subaru does it right." remarks Parish. > > Parish couldn't give specifics but said the Can Am/Rotax/Subaru drivetrain is the most advanced drivetrain in motorcycling today. Coupled with the silky smooth semi-automatic transmission which uses paddle shifters and no clutch, the Can Am Spyder Adv should be a remarkably capable ride off road. With integrated braking and traction control delivered through an all driveshaft final drive, the Adv will be worry free and safe as well. > > "We started out making something new and different in a class of motorcycle that has succumbed to mediocrity," says Parish. "But we quickly found that we have made an adventure touring motorcycle that can extend the market to those riders who could not handle the behemoths that dominated it." > > What Parish made clear was that the Spyder Adv, with adjustable seat and floor boards, will fit a person that is 6'1" as well as someone that is 5'4". What's more is that Parish claims a novice rider can ride anywhere that a skilled rider on BMW GS can. > > From what we could see in the pre-production pictures, the Spyder Adv certainly looks the part with an abbreviated nose section shod with a brush guard and off road lighting. Larger wheels with tires that look suspiciously like BF Goodrich All-Terrains and what appears to be a large skid plate that runs stem to stern. > > Only time will tell if Spyder Adv (scheduled to be an early 2014 release) will receive a warmer welcome that its road going Spyder family. >

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "gpokluda" wrote:

> > Reliable sources within Can Am have confirmed that the subsidiary of Bombardier will enter the adventure touring motorcycle market with an all new off-road capable Spyder in mid to late summer.

snip Welcome to my parlor said the SPYDER to the fly. cough. Gino, and others, I appreciate the forum and its ability to generate discussion. grin. This includes things that are not necessarily KLR. Not to rain on anyone's parade, How is this product really any different than a very capable (licensed, at least in South Dakota) side by side or tandem 4-wheeler? Prices for the 2012 model year are provided; which begs the question: where in this price scheme will an ORV 'capable' model be? At a minimum = KLRprice x 3 is my guess. http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2012/can_am/spyder/prices/05/ 2012 Spyder Submodels MSRP Destination Total 2012 Can-Am Spyder Roadster RS $16,499 2012 Can-Am Spyder Roadster RS-S $18,099 2012 Can-Am Spyder Roadster RT $21,699 2012 Can-Am Spyder Roadster RT Audio And Convenience $23,499 2012 Can-Am Spyder Roadster RT-S $25,699 2012 Can-Am Spyder Roadster RT-Limited $28,899 Read more: http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2012/can_am/spyder/prices/05/#ixzz2PVihAK8x I too have been contemplating the aging KLR rider; admiring the URAL hack for some time but find it in echelons above my present pay grade, even for 'used' stuff. So, I am a certified tire kicker of such things and an active seeker of an alternative to my present love, albeit, a pig with lipstick. To borrow from Judd's copious observations on previous occasions-- the ORV SYPDER answers the unasked question. It seems to me this newly proposed product answers a question that has not been asked, and answered by requiring huge piles of Franklin notes. shrug. = price will keep most of the aging KLR campaigners from entering. IMO, All things equal, the minimalist side car application to the KLR is more likely to fit my, as well as many within the aging KLR community with limited financial means. Bridges: If one were flush with plenty of $$ resources, this ORV SPYDER will be helpful for keeping a rider, riding. If not so flush, downsizing to smaller machines is a far less expensive alternative. What I have added to my KLR lifestyle (for this aging KLR rider) is a KLX250 and a DRZ400 and that has reopened a huge area of riding that I was not allowed to enter due to the KLR's weight and my loss of ability. = aging and physical stamina. The 650 remains the canyon carver and long distance multi-surface/gravel road bike but I have largely given up riding the jeep trails with the 650. My lovely pig just beats me to death, even with suspension upgrades. (yes, it is appropriately tuned for the conditions.) I imagine thi$ machine will appeal to a large number of aging BMW G$ rider$, and many of tho$e who$e bike$/rider$ will never even $ee a gravel road. Having said all that, This new model reminds me of Richard Branson's venture of selling seats for a ride into outer space. It is available, but only available to a few. I hope this SPYDER endeavor puts more people out there enjoying the DS experience. Unfortunately, this 'solution' for DS, as well as Richard Branson's offer for a momentary visit to outer space, is one that I for one will only be an observer. revmaaatin.

Rev. Don t hold your breath. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: revmaaatin Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 10:08 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Can Am to enter the adventure market Unfortunately, this 'solution' for DS, as well as Richard Branson's offer for a momentary visit to outer space, is one that I for one will only be an observer. revmaaatin.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud" wrote:

> > This has got to be one of the top April 1 posts of all time.

Oh, say it isn't so. revmaaatin.

OK, it isn t so You asked for it. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: revmaaatin Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 10:48 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Can Am to enter the adventure market

--- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, "Jud" wrote: > > This has got to be one of the top April 1 posts of all time. Oh, say it isn't so. revmaaatin. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well, then, That settles it. I will go ride Suzie this afternoon and wake up them KLR pigs this weekend after their winter hybernation. m.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > > OK, it isn t so You asked for it. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > From: revmaaatin > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 10:48 AM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Can Am to enter the adventure market > > > > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, "Jud" wrote: > > > > This has got to be one of the top April 1 posts of all time. > > Oh, say it isn't so. > revmaaatin. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I have had my flirtation with sidecars (350 Jawa/Velorex rig) and 3-wheelers (Freeway HMV), and I am prepared to state categorically that 3-wheeled vehicles are not the answer for aging riders. They can tip over and hurt you. Besides, the market already offers the ideal vehicle for when we become too old and feeble to ride a motorcycle. It's called the "Harley-Davidson". Low CG, modest performance, no expectations; all the attributes that make the Harley the ideal trainer or woman's bike also qualify it for geezer duty. The only downside is the embarrassment of being seen on one.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "gpokluda" wrote: > > > > Reliable sources within Can Am have confirmed that the subsidiary of Bombardier will enter the adventure touring motorcycle market with an all new off-road capable Spyder in mid to late summer. > > > snip > > Welcome to my parlor said the SPYDER to the fly. cough. > > Gino, and others, I appreciate the forum and its ability to generate discussion. grin. This includes things that are not necessarily KLR. > > Not to rain on anyone's parade, > How is this product really any different than a very capable (licensed, at least in South Dakota) side by side or tandem 4-wheeler? > Prices for the 2012 model year are provided; > which begs the question: > where in this price scheme will an ORV 'capable' model be? > At a minimum = KLRprice x 3 is my guess. > > http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2012/can_am/spyder/prices/05/ > 2012 Spyder Submodels > MSRP Destination Total > 2012 Can-Am Spyder Roadster RS $16,499 > 2012 Can-Am Spyder Roadster RS-S $18,099 > 2012 Can-Am Spyder Roadster RT $21,699 > 2012 Can-Am Spyder Roadster RT Audio And Convenience $23,499 > 2012 Can-Am Spyder Roadster RT-S $25,699 > 2012 Can-Am Spyder Roadster RT-Limited $28,899 > > Read more: http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2012/can_am/spyder/prices/05/#ixzz2PVihAK8x > > I too have been contemplating the aging KLR rider; admiring the URAL hack for some time but find it in echelons above my present pay grade, even for 'used' stuff. > So, I am a certified tire kicker of such things and an active seeker of an alternative to my present love, albeit, a pig with lipstick. > > To borrow from Judd's copious observations on previous occasions-- the ORV SYPDER answers the unasked question. > > It seems to me this newly proposed product answers a question that has not been asked, and answered by requiring huge piles of Franklin notes. shrug. > = price will keep most of the aging KLR campaigners from entering. > > IMO, > All things equal, the minimalist side car application to the KLR is more likely to fit my, as well as many within the aging KLR community with limited financial means. > > Bridges: > If one were flush with plenty of $$ resources, this ORV SPYDER will be helpful for keeping a rider, riding. > If not so flush, downsizing to smaller machines is a far less expensive alternative. > What I have added to my KLR lifestyle (for this aging KLR rider) is a KLX250 and a DRZ400 and that has reopened a huge area of riding that I was not allowed to enter due to the KLR's weight and my loss of ability. = aging and physical stamina. > The 650 remains the canyon carver and long distance multi-surface/gravel road bike but I have largely given up riding the jeep trails with the 650. My lovely pig just beats me to death, even with suspension upgrades. (yes, it is appropriately tuned for the conditions.) > > I imagine thi$ machine will appeal to a large number of aging BMW G$ rider$, and many of tho$e who$e bike$/rider$ will never even $ee a gravel road. > > Having said all that, > This new model reminds me of Richard Branson's venture of selling seats for a ride into outer space. It is available, but only available to a few. > > I hope this SPYDER endeavor puts more people out there enjoying the DS experience. Unfortunately, this 'solution' for DS, as well as Richard Branson's offer for a momentary visit to outer space, is one that I for one will only be an observer. > > revmaaatin. >