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[revmaaatin]

Hello List-- It is winter time for much of the KLR community.... I was reading 'Successful Farming' (Dec 2012) this morning in a column called GLEANINGS. SNIP TITLED: Whats the number one killer of batteries? Doing nothing for long periods of time in the winter. Some lead acid batteries discharge at a rate of 4% to 8% per month. Just disconnecting batteries on all machines sitting in storage could double--possible triple--their lives. Source: Gale Kimbrough, Interstate Battery System of America Unsnip. The above suggestion is made without reguard to battery size; as some tractor batteries are HUGE. smile. Many of the smaller implements use batteries that are more like our KLR. I am guessing their inference/suggestion is better than leaving it electrically hooked up and battery tending as necessary. I have done both. Battery tended bikes when parked for the winter in cold storage = temps up to minus 40F (or -40C; cough) as well as physically removing batteries to a warmish basement and battery tended monthly. I was still getting 4+ years out of the lead acid battery. Removing the battery to a warm basement and battery tending; still getting ~4 years out of the lead acid battery. It would seem to me, that if you followed the Interstate Battery suggestion, you would eliminate battery discharge by disconnecting the ground cable after knowing you had a fully charged battery. Item of note. as this curious KLR rider wanted to check AGM battery response: 2 winters ago, one KLR had the 3 year old AGM battery; bike stored in adverse conditions listed above = no tending or attention for over 4.5 months. It started the bike without difficulty or any additional maintenance. What is 'well known' that a battery that is discharged has a higher water/acid content and will freeze ruining a KiLeRista day. smile. Check your lead acid battery levels. Fill with distilled water to the full line and recharge those batteries! revmaaatin.

[mark ward]

HEY!!!!! It's not the size of the tractor that matters, But how you use it.

--- On Mon, 12/24/12, revmaaatin wrote: From: revmaaatin Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Battery life To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 24, 2012, 7:58 PM Hello List-- It is winter time for much of the KLR community.... I was reading 'Successful Farming' (Dec 2012) this morning in a column called GLEANINGS. SNIP TITLED: Whats the number one killer of batteries? Doing nothing for long periods of time in the winter. Some lead acid batteries discharge at a rate of 4% to 8% per month. Just disconnecting batteries on all machines sitting in storage could double--possible triple--their lives. Source: Gale Kimbrough, Interstate Battery System of America Unsnip. The above suggestion is made without reguard to battery size; as some tractor batteries are HUGE. smile. Many of the smaller implements use batteries that are more like our KLR. I am guessing their inference/suggestion is better than leaving it electrically hooked up and battery tending as necessary. I have done both. Battery tended bikes when parked for the winter in cold storage = temps up to minus 40F (or -40C; cough) as well as physically removing batteries to a warmish basement and battery tended monthly. I was still getting 4+ years out of the lead acid battery. Removing the battery to a warm basement and battery tending; still getting ~4 years out of the lead acid battery. It would seem to me, that if you followed the Interstate Battery suggestion, you would eliminate battery discharge by disconnecting the ground cable after knowing you had a fully charged battery. Item of note. as this curious KLR rider wanted to check AGM battery response: 2 winters ago, one KLR had the 3 year old AGM battery; bike stored in adverse conditions listed above = no tending or attention for over 4.5 months. It started the bike without difficulty or any additional maintenance. What is 'well known' that a battery that is discharged has a higher water/acid content and will freeze ruining a KiLeRista day. smile. Check your lead acid battery levels. Fill with distilled water to the full line and recharge those batteries! revmaaatin. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[ron criswell]

Move to Texas rev....where you can ride all year around....er except maybe tomorrow.....snow forecasted for north Tejas. Criswell Sent from my iPad

On Dec 24, 2012, at 1:58 PM, "revmaaatin" wrote: > Hello List-- > It is winter time for much of the KLR community.... > > I was reading 'Successful Farming' (Dec 2012) this morning in a column called GLEANINGS. > > SNIP > > TITLED: Whats the number one killer of batteries? > > Doing nothing for long periods of time in the winter. > Some lead acid batteries discharge at a rate of 4% to 8% per month. Just disconnecting batteries on all machines sitting in storage could double--possible triple--their lives. > Source: Gale Kimbrough, Interstate Battery System of America > > Unsnip. > > The above suggestion is made without reguard to battery size; as some tractor batteries are HUGE. smile. Many of the smaller implements use batteries that are more like our KLR. > > I am guessing their inference/suggestion is better than leaving it electrically hooked up and battery tending as necessary. > > I have done both. > Battery tended bikes when parked for the winter in cold storage = temps up to minus 40F (or -40C; cough) as well as physically removing batteries to a warmish basement and battery tended monthly. > I was still getting 4+ years out of the lead acid battery. > Removing the battery to a warm basement and battery tending; still getting ~4 years out of the lead acid battery. > > It would seem to me, that if you followed the Interstate Battery suggestion, you would eliminate battery discharge by disconnecting the ground cable after knowing you had a fully charged battery. > > Item of note. as this curious KLR rider wanted to check AGM battery response: > 2 winters ago, one KLR had the 3 year old AGM battery; bike stored in adverse conditions listed above = no tending or attention for over 4.5 months. It started the bike without difficulty or any additional maintenance. > > What is 'well known' that a battery that is discharged has a higher water/acid content and will freeze ruining a KiLeRista day. smile. > > Check your lead acid battery levels. > Fill with distilled water to the full line and recharge those batteries! > > revmaaatin. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[mark ward]

I'm in Michigan and most likely going for a nice long QUITE ride in the country tomorrow. (34-36dig.)

--- On Tue, 12/25/12, Ron Criswell wrote: From: Ron Criswell Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Battery life To: "revmaaatin" Cc: "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, December 25, 2012, 9:17 AM Move to Texas rev....where you can ride all year around....er except maybe tomorrow.....snow forecasted for north Tejas. Criswell Sent from my iPad On Dec 24, 2012, at 1:58 PM, "revmaaatin" wrote: > Hello List-- > It is winter time for much of the KLR community.... > > I was reading 'Successful Farming' (Dec 2012) this morning in a column called GLEANINGS. > > SNIP > > TITLED: Whats the number one killer of batteries? > > Doing nothing for long periods of time in the winter. > Some lead acid batteries discharge at a rate of 4% to 8% per month. Just disconnecting batteries on all machines sitting in storage could double--possible triple--their lives. > Source: Gale Kimbrough, Interstate Battery System of America > > Unsnip. > > The above suggestion is made without reguard to battery size; as some tractor batteries are HUGE. smile. Many of the smaller implements use batteries that are more like our KLR. > > I am guessing their inference/suggestion is better than leaving it electrically hooked up and battery tending as necessary. > > I have done both. > Battery tended bikes when parked for the winter in cold storage = temps up to minus 40F (or -40C; cough) as well as physically removing batteries to a warmish basement and battery tended monthly. > I was still getting 4+ years out of the lead acid battery. > Removing the battery to a warm basement and battery tending; still getting ~4 years out of the lead acid battery. > > It would seem to me, that if you followed the Interstate Battery suggestion, you would eliminate battery discharge by disconnecting the ground cable after knowing you had a fully charged battery. > > Item of note. as this curious KLR rider wanted to check AGM battery response: > 2 winters ago, one KLR had the 3 year old AGM battery; bike stored in adverse conditions listed above = no tending or attention for over 4.5 months. It started the bike without difficulty or any additional maintenance. > > What is 'well known' that a battery that is discharged has a higher water/acid content and will freeze ruining a KiLeRista day. smile. > > Check your lead acid battery levels. > Fill with distilled water to the full line and recharge those batteries! > > revmaaatin. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[achesley43@ymail.com]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote:

> TITLED: Whats the number one killer of batteries? > > Doing nothing for long periods of time in the winter.

Boat Batt > 3 years Dixon Lawnmower batt > 5 year KLR Batt > 2 years ( guy I had sold it to for 3 years replaced batt in Dec of 2010. Bandit 1250S Batt > near 6 years I rotate 2 Battery Tender Plus units ever few days when the battery is not in use. I think keeping them charged plus monitoring the water level on the ones you need to have much to do with life of the battery. I generally pull the KLR batt every 3 months for service as he had bought a regular acid batt. I collect water during a rain storm and use it for batteries. Now watch, I'll end up replaceing batteries this winter LOL.

[greg saunders]

Sit down. I kinda wonder if very many people will believe what I'm about to say, but that is up to them. Years ago I would use a BMW trickle charger according to the instructions and batteries would last 1.5-2 years. Then a guy who worked at a battery store took me aside and told me to just disconnect the ground wire, leave the battery in the bike, don't charge it in any way, don't warm it up, don't do ANYTHING to it at all. When spring comes around and I'm ready to ride, hook up the ground wire and start the bike; go for a rather long ride (50) miles or more. That is it. I'm currently riding a 2004 goldwing that I bought new and it is still on the original battery. That is in part due to the technology improvement of battery design. My KLR battery, which is the cheapest battery I can find, only lasts about 4 years. Good Luck. Greg To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com From: achesley43@... Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 18:39:00 +0000 Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Battery life

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > TITLED: Whats the number one killer of batteries? > > Doing nothing for long periods of time in the winter. Boat Batt > 3 years Dixon Lawnmower batt > 5 year KLR Batt > 2 years ( guy I had sold it to for 3 years replaced batt in Dec of 2010. Bandit 1250S Batt > near 6 years I rotate 2 Battery Tender Plus units ever few days when the battery is not in use. I think keeping them charged plus monitoring the water level on the ones you need to have much to do with life of the battery. I generally pull the KLR batt every 3 months for service as he had bought a regular acid batt. I collect water during a rain storm and use it for batteries. Now watch, I'll end up replaceing batteries this winter LOL. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud]

I wonder if anybody would believe anything you say. Are you going to come to coffee tomorrow to try to back up this outlandish tale?

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, greg saunders wrote: > > > Sit down. I kinda wonder if very many people will believe what I'm about to say, but that is up to them. Years ago I would use a BMW trickle charger according to the instructions and batteries would last 1.5-2 years. Then a guy who worked at a battery store took me aside and told me to just disconnect the ground wire, leave the battery in the bike, don't charge it in any way, don't warm it up, don't do ANYTHING to it at all. When spring comes around and I'm ready to ride, hook up the ground wire and start the bike; go for a rather long ride (50) miles or more. That is it. I'm currently riding a 2004 goldwing that I bought new and it is still on the original battery. That is in part due to the technology improvement of battery design. My KLR battery, which is the cheapest battery I can find, only lasts about 4 years. Good Luck. Greg > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > From: achesley43@... > Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 18:39:00 +0000 > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Battery life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > > TITLED: Whats the number one killer of batteries? > > > > > > Doing nothing for long periods of time in the winter. > > > > Boat Batt > 3 years > > Dixon Lawnmower batt > 5 year > > KLR Batt > 2 years ( guy I had sold it to for 3 years replaced batt in Dec of 2010. > > Bandit 1250S Batt > near 6 years > > I rotate 2 Battery Tender Plus units ever few days when the battery is not in use. I think keeping them charged plus monitoring the water level on the ones you need to have much to do with life of the battery. I generally pull the KLR batt every 3 months for service as he had bought a regular acid batt. > > I collect water during a rain storm and use it for batteries. > > > > Now watch, I'll end up replaceing batteries this winter LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[beachmike1]

Lead acid batteries self discharge at 80 fat about 4 % of their capacity per week. Lead acid batteries if discharged below 10. 5 v can and will be damaged. Lead acid batteries are also damaged be virration and can be damaged by spikes in bother the charge and discharge cycles. A single cylinder engine produces higher fluctuations I. The discharge current during starting than a multi. They also produce more vibration. Hence a shorter life. Case in point. My v4 Yamaha used two batteries in ten years and 50,000 miles withthreeyears of non use. My xs650 Yamaha ate a battery very other year at10k per year. My BSA 650 eat batteries for breakfast...partly due to the crappy charging system Theresa due to horrid vibration levels. My sr500 also was a battery hog. After I put a magneto on it I did not care much. Current KLR is on original battery .i ran it down three times in 4 years and 12000 miles. I start and run the bike to operating temp and a voltage of 14.2 every two weeks. Strip hits all the numbers for battery performance. I used to have a battery tender. I used iron a new battery on my highlander. After two weeks I. Went to take it off to use the car. I checked the batter water level it was low. I was curious I filled it and hooked the tender back up and got 14 v or charging. Then I watched it for a while in half an hour it was at 14..5 then in half an hour at 15. That is not good. So Iulled it off and with an open circuit I saw 15.2 v So I sent it back for a refund. Got it and never bought another one. That is too high a voltage. It may have been a defective unit but basically all a tender does is make me lazy. Start the engine and run it to a full charge. Done. Nearly free and goo discipline.

[greg saunders]

LOL, no I'm too sick. If I came tomorrow you might all get sick. We'll have to have our talk next week.To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com From: judjonzz@... Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 02:23:58 +0000 Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Battery life I wonder if anybody would believe anything you say. Are you going to come to coffee tomorrow to try to back up this outlandish tale?

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, greg saunders wrote: > > > Sit down. I kinda wonder if very many people will believe what I'm about to say, but that is up to them. Years ago I would use a BMW trickle charger according to the instructions and batteries would last 1.5-2 years. Then a guy who worked at a battery store took me aside and told me to just disconnect the ground wire, leave the battery in the bike, don't charge it in any way, don't warm it up, don't do ANYTHING to it at all. When spring comes around and I'm ready to ride, hook up the ground wire and start the bike; go for a rather long ride (50) miles or more. That is it. I'm currently riding a 2004 goldwing that I bought new and it is still on the original battery. That is in part due to the technology improvement of battery design. My KLR battery, which is the cheapest battery I can find, only lasts about 4 years. Good Luck. Greg > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > From: achesley43@... > Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 18:39:00 +0000 > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Battery life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > > TITLED: Whats the number one killer of batteries? > > > > > > Doing nothing for long periods of time in the winter. > > > > Boat Batt > 3 years > > Dixon Lawnmower batt > 5 year > > KLR Batt > 2 years ( guy I had sold it to for 3 years replaced batt in Dec of 2010. > > Bandit 1250S Batt > near 6 years > > I rotate 2 Battery Tender Plus units ever few days when the battery is not in use. I think keeping them charged plus monitoring the water level on the ones you need to have much to do with life of the battery. I generally pull the KLR batt every 3 months for service as he had bought a regular acid batt. > > I collect water during a rain storm and use it for batteries. > > > > Now watch, I'll end up replaceing batteries this winter LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[revmaaatin]

Well,hmmmm. 650 miles and it is 0918 MST. Looks like I am going to be late for coffee. revmaaatin.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud" wrote: > > I wonder if anybody would believe anything you say. Are you going to come to coffee tomorrow to try to back up this outlandish tale? > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, greg saunders wrote: > > > > > > Sit down. I kinda wonder if very many people will believe what I'm about to say, but that is up to them. Years ago I would use a BMW trickle charger according to the instructions and batteries would last 1.5-2 years. Then a guy who worked at a battery store took me aside and told me to just disconnect the ground wire, leave the battery in the bike, don't charge it in any way, don't warm it up, don't do ANYTHING to it at all. When spring comes around and I'm ready to ride, hook up the ground wire and start the bike; go for a rather long ride (50) miles or more. That is it. I'm currently riding a 2004 goldwing that I bought new and it is still on the original battery. That is in part due to the technology improvement of battery design. My KLR battery, which is the cheapest battery I can find, only lasts about 4 years. Good Luck. Greg > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > From: achesley43@ > > Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 18:39:00 +0000 > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Battery life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > > > > > > TITLED: Whats the number one killer of batteries? > > > > > > > > > > Doing nothing for long periods of time in the winter. > > > > > > > > Boat Batt > 3 years > > > > Dixon Lawnmower batt > 5 year > > > > KLR Batt > 2 years ( guy I had sold it to for 3 years replaced batt in Dec of 2010. > > > > Bandit 1250S Batt > near 6 years > > > > I rotate 2 Battery Tender Plus units ever few days when the battery is not in use. I think keeping them charged plus monitoring the water level on the ones you need to have much to do with life of the battery. I generally pull the KLR batt every 3 months for service as he had bought a regular acid batt. > > > > I collect water during a rain storm and use it for batteries. > > > > > > > > Now watch, I'll end up replaceing batteries this winter LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >