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The problem is you followed the advice of everyone else who said to replace the flasher. I was the one who explained to you it was functioning as designed. You dismissed my advise because you saw all your bulbs working. What you have is an intermittent loss of a bulb lighting. Here is what I would do at this point. You can do one bulb at a time and see if it worked or do them all at once. What you need to do is get new bulbs. A bulb can work fine but sometimes the filament can be broken where it makes contact but introduce a vibration it will open the circuit. Or in the same way a wire connection can do the same. Take out a bulb, clean the inside of the socket (a pencil eraser works good for this) and replace with a new bulb. Follow the wires from the socket to the bullet connectors and pull them apart clean and put them back together making sure they are tight and secure. Chances are your problem is in one of these locations. Walt -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JD Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 14:18 To: KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Turn signal troubles part 2 So a few weeks ago I posted about my turn signals flashing very fast some of the time. Upon the advice of all I replaced the flasher relay. It still is acting up. At rest or at slower speeds (under 55) it works normally. Above 55 it starts flashing VERY fast. So the relay wasn't the problem. I'm guessing it's a grounding problem but I have no idea where to start looking. The wiring diagram says all the lights share a common ground, so I don't think that's the one. Where is there a ground that only effects the turn signals?? Thanks in advance. JD

Hey GENIUS, Splain to me how a bulb in a left socket can control the function of the two bulbs in the right two sockets. I mentioned in the first post this was affecting both sides. That is why I tried the flasher relay first! And by the way, I checked all the bulbs with a Ohm meter and cleaned the contacts before I replaced them! JD ______________________________________ ________________________________ From: "k650@..." To: 'JD' ; "'KLR650@yahoogroups.com>'" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 4:20 PM Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Turn signal troubles part 2 The problem is you followed the advice of everyone else who said to replace the flasher. I was the one who explained to you it was functioning as designed. You dismissed my advise because you saw all your bulbs working. What you have is an intermittent loss of a bulb lighting. Here is what I would do at this point. You can do one bulb at a time and see if it worked or do them all at once. What you need to do is get new bulbs. A bulb can work fine but sometimes the filament can be broken where it makes contact but introduce a vibration it will open the circuit. Or in the same way a wire connection can do the same. Take out a bulb, clean the inside of the socket (a pencil eraser works good for this) and replace with a new bulb. Follow the wires from the socket to the bullet connectors and pull them apart clean and put them back together making sure they are tight and secure. Chances are your problem is in one of these locations. Walt -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JD Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 14:18 To: KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Turn signal troubles part 2 So a few weeks ago I posted about my turn signals flashing very fast some of the time. Upon the advice of all I replaced the flasher relay. It still is acting up. At rest or at slower speeds (under 55) it works normally. Above 55 it starts flashing VERY fast. So the relay wasn't the problem. I'm guessing it's a grounding problem but I have no idea where to start looking. The wiring diagram says all the lights share a common ground, so I don't think that's the one. Where is there a ground that only effects the turn signals?? Thanks in advance. JD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm no genius, but you could try the grounding of each individual bulb. Could be a bad regulator putting high voltage to the flasher at high RPM. Try high RPM in the driveway. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 9/2/2012 2:53 PM, JD wrote: > > Hey GENIUS, > > Splain to me how a bulb in a left socket can control the function of > the two bulbs in the right two sockets. > > I mentioned in the first post this was affecting both sides. > > That is why I tried the flasher relay first! > > And by the way, I checked all the bulbs with a Ohm meter and cleaned > the contacts before I replaced them! > > > JD > > ______________________________________ > > ________________________________ > From: "k650@... " > > To: 'JD' >; > "'KLR650@yahoogroups.com >'" > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 4:20 PM > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Turn signal troubles part 2 > > The problem is you followed the advice of everyone else who said to > replace > the flasher. I was the one who explained to you it was functioning as > designed. You dismissed my advise because you saw all your bulbs working. > What you have is an intermittent loss of a bulb lighting. Here is what I > would do at this point. You can do one bulb at a time and see if it > worked > or do them all at once. What you need to do is get new bulbs. A bulb can > work fine but sometimes the filament can be broken where it makes contact > but introduce a vibration it will open the circuit. Or in the same way a > wire connection can do the same. Take out a bulb, clean the inside of the > socket (a pencil eraser works good for this) and replace with a new bulb. > Follow the wires from the socket to the bullet connectors and pull them > apart clean and put them back together making sure they are tight and > secure. Chances are your problem is in one of these locations. > > Walt > > -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > ] On > Behalf Of JD > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 14:18 > To: KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Turn signal troubles part 2 > > So a few weeks ago I posted about my turn signals flashing very fast > some of > the time. Upon the advice of all I replaced the flasher relay. It > still is > acting up. > > At rest or at slower speeds (under 55) it works normally. Above 55 it > starts flashing VERY fast. So the relay wasn't the problem. > > I'm guessing it's a grounding problem but I have no idea where to start > looking. The wiring diagram says all the lights share a common > ground, so I > don't think that's the one. > > Where is there a ground that only effects the turn signals?? > > Thanks in advance. > > > JD > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 11:18:07 -0700 (PDT) JD writes:

> So a few weeks ago I posted about my turn signals flashing very fast > some of the time. Upon the advice of all I replaced the flasher > relay. It still is acting up. > > > At rest or at slower speeds (under 55) it works normally. Above 55 > it starts flashing VERY fast. So the relay wasn't the problem. > > I'm guessing it's a grounding problem but I have no idea where to > start looking. The wiring diagram says all the lights share a > common ground, so I don't think that's the one. > > Where is there a ground that only effects the turn signals?? > > Thanks in advance. > > > JD

<><><><><> <><><><><> JD, What year is the bike? I'm pretty sure Gen I and Gen II are not the same electrically. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . ____________________________________________________________ Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2

Hey Robert, Thanks for your response. But how will a bad ground on lets say a front right bulb have any effect on the operation of lets say the left rear? When I changed lanes on the highway the blinker was screwy on both the right & left side. And as far revving it up in the driveway, I tried, but nothing went wrong. The flashers acted as they should. I guess it needs the vibration on the open road. Again, Thanks for your response. JD ______________________________________ ________________________________ From: RobertWichert To: JD Cc: "k650@..." ; "'KLR650@yahoogroups.com>'" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Turn signal troubles part 2 I'm no genius, but you could try the grounding of each individual bulb. Could be a bad regulator putting high voltage to the flasher at high RPM. Try high RPM in the driveway. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 9/2/2012 2:53 PM, JD wrote: >Hey GENIUS, > >Splain to me how a bulb in a left socket can control the function of the two bulbs in the right two sockets. > >I mentioned in the first post this was affecting both sides. > >That is why I tried the flasher relay first! > >And by the way, I checked all the bulbs with a Ohm meter and cleaned the contacts before I replaced them! > > >JD > >______________________________________ > >________________________________ >From: "k650@..." >To: 'JD' ; "'KLR650@yahoogroups.com>'" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 4:20 PM >Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Turn signal troubles part 2 > >The problem is you followed the advice of everyone else who said to replace >the flasher. I was the one who explained to you it was functioning as >designed. You dismissed my advise because you saw all your bulbs working. >What you have is an intermittent loss of a bulb lighting. Here is what I >would do at this point. You can do one bulb at a time and see if it worked >or do them all at once. What you need to do is get new bulbs. A bulb can >work fine but sometimes the filament can be broken where it makes contact >but introduce a vibration it will open the circuit. Or in the same way a >wire connection can do the same. Take out a bulb, clean the inside of the >socket (a pencil eraser works good for this) and replace with a new bulb. >Follow the wires from the socket to the bullet connectors and pull them >apart clean and put them back together making sure they are tight and >secure. Chances are your problem is in one of these locations. > >Walt > >-----Original Message----- >From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of JD >Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 14:18 >To: KLR650@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Turn signal troubles part 2 > >So a few weeks ago I posted about my turn signals flashing very fast some of >the time. Upon the advice of all I replaced the flasher relay. It still is >acting up. > >At rest or at slower speeds (under 55) it works normally. Above 55 it >starts flashing VERY fast. So the relay wasn't the problem. > >I'm guessing it's a grounding problem but I have no idea where to start >looking. The wiring diagram says all the lights share a common ground, so I >don't think that's the one. > >Where is there a ground that only effects the turn signals?? > >Thanks in advance. > > >JD > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey Jeff, It's a '01 Thanks. JD ______________________________________ ________________________________ From: Jeff Saline To: justsayizzy@... Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Turn signal troubles part 2 On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 11:18:07 -0700 (PDT) JD writes:

> So a few weeks ago I posted about my turn signals flashing very fast > some of the time. Upon the advice of all I replaced the flasher > relay. It still is acting up. > > > At rest or at slower speeds (under 55) it works normally. Above 55 > it starts flashing VERY fast. So the relay wasn't the problem. > > I'm guessing it's a grounding problem but I have no idea where to > start looking. The wiring diagram says all the lights share a > common ground, so I don't think that's the one. > > Where is there a ground that only effects the turn signals?? > > Thanks in advance. > > > JD

<><><><><> <><><><><> JD, What year is the bike? I'm pretty sure Gen I and Gen II are not the same electrically. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . ____________________________________________________________ Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Even though you are only lighting two bulbs on one side at a time the flasher "sees" all four bulbs. I know it doesn't make sense unless you consider the turn signal dash indicator lamp. There is only one and both sides use it. The right side turn signal bulbs are connected one pole of the dash indicator bulb filament and the left side turn signal bulbs are connected to the other pole of the dash indicator bulb filament. The dash indicator bulb lights when power is applied from either side and it gets its ground through the bulbs on the other side. Even though power goes through the bulbs on the other side than those that are lit they do not light up because the indicator bulb functions as a resistor limiting the available current. Now you said you checked the bulbs with an ohm meter. They could still be bad. A broken filament can make contact testing good with a meter and later due to vibration break contact. Seen it and heard about it happening many times. Replace the bulbs with new ones. Another thing often overlooked is the contact on the bottom of the bulb can wear away from the vibrations same for the socket. What might seem fine on inspection may be just loose enough to open up with the vibrations. Make sure the bulb and socket fit together snug. Same thing with the wires connections going to the bulbs. That is why I said check the bullet connectors both Positive and Negative going to the sockets. You did not mention checking them. Another point to check is the connector under the seat over the rear inner fender where the main harness joins the rear sub-harness. Another alternative is to change the type of flasher to an electronic or LED type. It will not fix what is causing the fast flash problem only mask it. Since it is not load dependant the bulbs will always flash at the same rate. If a bulb goes out the other will still flash normal. The flasher will no longer change the rate to indicate a problem. And enough with the GENIUS. Remember you are the one looking for help I am just trying to give it. I know you must be frustrated no need to take it out on me because you don't understand the answer. Walt From: JD [mailto:justsayizzy@...] Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 17:54 To: k650@...; 'KLR650@yahoogroups.com>' Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Turn signal troubles part 2 Hey GENIUS, Splain to me how a bulb in a left socket can control the function of the two bulbs in the right two sockets. I mentioned in the first post this was affecting both sides. That is why I tried the flasher relay first! And by the way, I checked all the bulbs with a Ohm meter and cleaned the contacts before I replaced them! JD ______________________________________ _____ From: "k650@..." To: 'JD' ; "'KLR650@yahoogroups.com>'" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 4:20 PM Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Turn signal troubles part 2 The problem is you followed the advice of everyone else who said to replace the flasher. I was the one who explained to you it was functioning as designed. You dismissed my advise because you saw all your bulbs working. What you have is an intermittent loss of a bulb lighting. Here is what I would do at this point. You can do one bulb at a time and see if it worked or do them all at once. What you need to do is get new bulbs. A bulb can work fine but sometimes the filament can be broken where it makes contact but introduce a vibration it will open the circuit. Or in the same way a wire connection can do the same. Take out a bulb, clean the inside of the socket (a pencil eraser works good for this) and replace with a new bulb. Follow the wires from the socket to the bullet connectors and pull them apart clean and put them back together making sure they are tight and secure. Chances are your problem is in one of these locations. Walt -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JD Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 14:18 To: KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Turn signal troubles part 2 So a few weeks ago I posted about my turn signals flashing very fast some of the time. Upon the advice of all I replaced the flasher relay. It still is acting up. At rest or at slower speeds (under 55) it works normally. Above 55 it starts flashing VERY fast. So the relay wasn't the problem. I'm guessing it's a grounding problem but I have no idea where to start looking. The wiring diagram says all the lights share a common ground, so I don't think that's the one. Where is there a ground that only effects the turn signals?? Thanks in advance. JD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Walt, Thanks for the insightful reply. Not my issue yet but - you never know! Don M -----Original Message----- From: k650@... Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 8:55 PM To: 'JD' ; 'KLR650@yahoogroups.com>' Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Turn signal troubles part 2 Even though you are only lighting two bulbs on one side at a time the flasher "sees" all four bulbs. I know it doesn't make sense unless you consider the turn signal dash indicator lamp. There is only one and both sides use it. The right side turn signal bulbs are connected one pole of the dash indicator bulb filament and the left side turn signal bulbs are connected to the other pole of the dash indicator bulb filament. The dash indicator bulb lights when power is applied from either side and it gets its ground through the bulbs on the other side. Even though power goes through the bulbs on the other side than those that are lit they do not light up because the indicator bulb functions as a resistor limiting the available current. Now you said you checked the bulbs with an ohm meter. They could still be bad. A broken filament can make contact testing good with a meter and later due to vibration break contact. Seen it and heard about it happening many times. Replace the bulbs with new ones. Another thing often overlooked is the contact on the bottom of the bulb can wear away from the vibrations same for the socket. What might seem fine on inspection may be just loose enough to open up with the vibrations. Make sure the bulb and socket fit together snug. Same thing with the wires connections going to the bulbs. That is why I said check the bullet connectors both Positive and Negative going to the sockets. You did not mention checking them. Another point to check is the connector under the seat over the rear inner fender where the main harness joins the rear sub-harness. Another alternative is to change the type of flasher to an electronic or LED type. It will not fix what is causing the fast flash problem only mask it. Since it is not load dependant the bulbs will always flash at the same rate. If a bulb goes out the other will still flash normal. The flasher will no longer change the rate to indicate a problem. And enough with the GENIUS. Remember you are the one looking for help I am just trying to give it. I know you must be frustrated no need to take it out on me because you don't understand the answer. Walt From: JD [mailto:justsayizzy@...] Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 17:54 To: k650@...; 'KLR650@yahoogroups.com>' Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Turn signal troubles part 2 Hey GENIUS, Splain to me how a bulb in a left socket can control the function of the two bulbs in the right two sockets. I mentioned in the first post this was affecting both sides. That is why I tried the flasher relay first! And by the way, I checked all the bulbs with a Ohm meter and cleaned the contacts before I replaced them! JD ______________________________________ _____ From: "k650@..." To: 'JD' ; "'KLR650@yahoogroups.com>'" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 4:20 PM Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Turn signal troubles part 2 The problem is you followed the advice of everyone else who said to replace the flasher. I was the one who explained to you it was functioning as designed. You dismissed my advise because you saw all your bulbs working. What you have is an intermittent loss of a bulb lighting. Here is what I would do at this point. You can do one bulb at a time and see if it worked or do them all at once. What you need to do is get new bulbs. A bulb can work fine but sometimes the filament can be broken where it makes contact but introduce a vibration it will open the circuit. Or in the same way a wire connection can do the same. Take out a bulb, clean the inside of the socket (a pencil eraser works good for this) and replace with a new bulb. Follow the wires from the socket to the bullet connectors and pull them apart clean and put them back together making sure they are tight and secure. Chances are your problem is in one of these locations. Walt -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JD Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2012 14:18 To: KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Turn signal troubles part 2 So a few weeks ago I posted about my turn signals flashing very fast some of the time. Upon the advice of all I replaced the flasher relay. It still is acting up. At rest or at slower speeds (under 55) it works normally. Above 55 it starts flashing VERY fast. So the relay wasn't the problem. I'm guessing it's a grounding problem but I have no idea where to start looking. The wiring diagram says all the lights share a common ground, so I don't think that's the one. Where is there a ground that only effects the turn signals?? Thanks in advance. 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JD, Walt covered it very well. If I was working this issue I'd probably check the wires and connection under the instrument cluster, especially the one that connects with the instrument cluster turn signal indicator. Best, Jeff On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 17:01:36 -0700 (PDT) JD writes: Hey Jeff, It's a '01 Thanks. JD . . ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5044b70e3963a370e3fb0st01vuc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]