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adventure,> And its just a shame that while they try to pass this off as real
I disagree with you on this. It is true that they had a lot going for them, like money, chase vehicles to carry supplies & spares, there position as movie stares to help get things done at boarder crossings, etc. It was stated at the beginning that the two chase vehicles would only meet them at certain boarder crossing, cities, etc., but Ewan & Charley & Claudio (the camera man) would be covering the whole distance & doing all the ridding themselves. If you have some proof that they didn't, bring it out. From what I saw they did some damned hard ridding & went through some real brutal stuff. It was a real adventure ride, I bet more than 90 percent of the people on this list has ever done or probable ever will do. I personally enjoyed the show, it gave you a good idea what an adventure motorcyclist encounters. Sure they received a lot of help, but without all the coordination & help a trip like this (with all the side trips, etc.) probable wouldn't have been completed in 4 months. Pete Chester A16> it was really nothing more than a catered cruise. > > Pat G'ville, NV
Thanks, you're the first person I've seen with the balls to say that. I especially love the statement on their website indicating that they took "hostile environment training" with the SAS and also learned how to light a fire by rubbing sticks together. Mark> >>In a message dated 1/31/2005 7:14:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, >>andy.rabbetts@... writes: >>Ewan McGregor (Start wars III) and Charlie Boorman (his friend) >>travel 20,000 miles (London to New York, the Long Way Round) on a >>couple of GS's. >>It's just a shame there are no KLR's in it ! > > >And its just a shame that while they try to pass this off as real adventure, >it was really nothing more than a catered cruise.
> >And its just a shame that while they try to pass this off as real adventure, > >it was really nothing more than a catered cruise. > > Thanks, you're the first person I've seen with the balls to say that. > I especially love the statement on their website indicating that they > took "hostile environment training" with the SAS and also learned how > to light a fire by rubbing sticks together. > > Mark > >
The problem I had with LWR was less about the 'journey' and how it was done, and all about the editing and presentation. Way too much 'bullshit' coverage of all the ancillary niggly shit. Way too much sniveling into their 'personal' vidiography devices. Passed over the whole of Western Europe with little or nothing to show, rather, one epsiode was spent on the 'prep' of which the worthwhile content could have been distilled into 12 min. Final episode flashed over all of NA and used most of that airtime as bullshitin with the assholes at the chopper shop in Orange County, NY. The episodes in Asia were hinting of some good 'adventure' and aside from ,again, the petty individual 'broken nails' clips from each, those regions can't do anything but astound when presented even some glimpses of it. It all seemed toooo fragmented, with little real portrayal of the vastness of where they went thru. In all, the shitty-est piece of editing I've seen in a 'long way round'. Otherwise it wuz good... Js Oh, the training side, even the prepping for possible banditos, prolly a good idea for anyone 'touristing' anywhere in the former USSR... As for the 'cast' and 'crew' of thousands - if you really want to 'film' a good adventure and get really good footage, you need the full film and support team. Still having just the 'cameraman' rider with the 2 stooges, shows how minimalist you can go and still get some decent stuff. As for the success of the 'support' and 'film' team in the buggies - failure, utter and total. If one thinks that having 'support' around lessens the riding adventure greatly, then Dakar must be a real 'coffee klatch', cause we're talkin helicopters for the spectacular filming and support that made the 'presentation' of past years so special for us mortals. OLN, this year, a C+ for effort generally, and 'F' for the truck coverage - they need to lose the 'Khaki' Queen and his XXX sidekick and bring back Toby. Most Spectacular Dakar seen on broadcast - my vote? - the one that went thru Northern Africa and ended in Sharm El Sheik - 2003, I think. I wuz glued to the toob during broadcasts.> > At 10:40 PM -0500 1/31/05, kdxkawboy@... wrote: >> >>> In a message dated 1/31/2005 7:14:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, >>> andy.rabbetts@... writes: >>> Ewan McGregor (Start wars III) and Charlie Boorman (his friend) >>> travel 20,000 miles (London to New York, the Long Way Round) on a >>> couple of GS's. >>> It's just a shame there are no KLR's in it ! >> >> >> And its just a shame that while they try to pass this off as real adventure, >> it was really nothing more than a catered cruise. > > Thanks, you're the first person I've seen with the balls to say that. > I especially love the statement on their website indicating that they > took "hostile environment training" with the SAS and also learned how > to light a fire by rubbing sticks together. > Mark
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out> > Sounds just like a catered cruise to me. Doing the day in and day
left to your> riding isn't what makes the trip hard, its the prep work and being
outfitters that did> own wits and skills to get through the troubles. It was the
approach.> the real work that made the trip possible. Its the old school
You are way off on this again. I think you are just trying to promote the idea that these are a couple of rich boys playing a roll without actually walking the walk. First of all if you watched the show you would have seen that they were involved with the preparation. That included getting the bikes, picking the routes, stuff they were going to bring, everything. Sure there was a lot of help, but remember this thing was being filmed for TV on a schedule, so it needed an organization behind it. As for the prep being the hard part, that is crap, especially on a trip like this one through the miserable conditions they rode. Prep is important of course; if done wrong it can make the actual ridding part of the trip a real problem. As for using their own wits to solve problems, I think they did a lot of that. There's no doubt that their celebrity status helped them at say boarder crossings, things were done to expedite it. That said I feel these two guys are sharp enough to have handled it on their own, it would probable take longer, but they would have gotten it done. So in conclusion unless some one can show that they didn't actually do the ride & were flown from point to point to do takes like on a movie set, I give them a lot of respect. Pete Chester A16> > Pat > G'ville, NV >