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slow speed swerve with hands off handlebar

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:06 pm
by kevincrossett
So i have finally solved a mid speed wobble (wobble from 40 to 30 mph). I tightened my steering stem to just barely drag when checking with my pinky, and i have my preload set front and rear to about 30 percent of travel. My only problem left is a slight swerve below 20 mph with my hands off the handlebar. My rear wheel alignment is as close as I can get it using the string method.I have thought of a few things that may be the culprit such as warped front rotor or a worn tire. My rotor is an oversize EBC. The brakes now barely rub after some filing on my green Galfer pads. The rubbing is rhythmic, but just barely. I have an Eagle Mike fork brace that i believe is installed correctly as both sides of the brace are seated on the fork tubes correctly. The tires are Conti Trail Attacks with about 9,000 miles. I have heard these tires may have stability isses on other bikes. Any thoughts?

slow speed swerve with hands off handlebar

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:54 pm
by Jeff Saline
On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 00:06:18 -0000 "kevincrossett" writes:
> So i have finally solved a mid speed wobble (wobble from 40 to 30 > mph). I tightened my steering stem to just barely drag when checking > with my pinky, and i have my preload set front and rear to about 30 > percent of travel. My only problem left is a slight swerve below 20 > mph with my hands off the handlebar. My rear wheel alignment is as > close as I can get it using the string method.I have thought of a > few things that may be the culprit such as warped front rotor or a > worn tire. My rotor is an oversize EBC. The brakes now barely rub > after some filing on my green Galfer pads. The rubbing is rhythmic, > but just barely. I have an Eagle Mike fork brace that i believe is > installed correctly as both sides of the brace are seated on the > fork tubes correctly. The tires are Conti Trail Attacks with about > 9,000 miles. I have heard these tires may have stability isses on > other bikes. > Any thoughts?
<><><><><><><> <><><><><><><> Not trying to be negative but riding hands off below 20 mph is probably not gonna give you much useful information. I would expect to have some swerving going on if I was riding like that no matter how well the bike was set up. The check I suggest you try is from about 50 mph decelerating to about 25 or 30 mph with hands just off the bars. If you get any head shake you might have a steering head bearing adjustment issue. Or it could be tires or tire pressure or suspension. This test should give you an idea if the steering head bearings are too loose. When steering head bearings are too tight you'll get a weave when trying to ride straight with your hands on the bars. What is happening is you can't make little corrections because the bearings are too tight. So you over correct in one direction and then over correct again in the other direction. And that continues until something changes. Based on the miles (9,000) on the tires I'll guess the tires are now causing issues. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . ____________________________________________________________ The New "Skinny" Fruit How This Strange 62-Cent African Fruit Is Making Americans Skinny. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f29fae02af4b661cf1st06vuc

slow speed swerve with hands off handlebar

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:10 pm
by kevincrossett
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote:
> > On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 00:06:18 -0000 "kevincrossett" kcrossett@... > writes: > > So i have finally solved a mid speed wobble (wobble from 40 to 30 > > mph). I tightened my steering stem to just barely drag when checking > > with my pinky, and i have my preload set front and rear to about 30 > > percent of travel. My only problem left is a slight swerve below 20 > > mph with my hands off the handlebar. My rear wheel alignment is as > > close as I can get it using the string method.I have thought of a > > few things that may be the culprit such as warped front rotor or a > > worn tire. My rotor is an oversize EBC. The brakes now barely rub > > after some filing on my green Galfer pads. The rubbing is rhythmic, > > but just barely. I have an Eagle Mike fork brace that i believe is > > installed correctly as both sides of the brace are seated on the > > fork tubes correctly. The tires are Conti Trail Attacks with about > > 9,000 miles. I have heard these tires may have stability isses on > > other bikes. > > Any thoughts? > <><><><><><><> > <><><><><><><> > > Not trying to be negative but riding hands off below 20 mph is
probably
> not gonna give you much useful information. I would expect to have
some
> swerving going on if I was riding like that no matter how well the
bike
> was set up. > > The check I suggest you try is from about 50 mph decelerating to about
25
> or 30 mph with hands just off the bars. If you get any head shake you > might have a steering head bearing adjustment issue. Or it could be > tires or tire pressure or suspension. This test should give you an
idea
> if the steering head bearings are too loose. > > When steering head bearings are too tight you'll get a weave when
trying
> to ride straight with your hands on the bars. What is happening is
you
> can't make little corrections because the bearings are too tight. So
you
> over correct in one direction and then over correct again in the other > direction. And that continues until something changes. > > Based on the miles (9,000) on the tires I'll guess the tires are now > causing issues. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 > > . > . > ____________________________________________________________ > The New "Skinny" Fruit > How This Strange 62-Cent African Fruit Is Making Americans Skinny. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f29fae02af4b661cf1st06vuc >
Thanks Jeff. I don't have any wobble from 70 to 20 mph. I had an issue with some mid speed wobble but the preload and stering stem nut adjustments solved that. I am thinking the front tire may be wearing unevenly, which could cause the low speed swerve. I don't recall having this issue a month or two ago. i think some Gripsters are in my future. They seem to have good reviews and are long lasting for my commuting duties. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

slow speed swerve with hands off handlebar

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:09 pm
by Kevin Crossett
Ack. No. No. No. Please disregard the last sentence. Sorry everyone. I wasn't thinking.

warning -tire thread starting - warning

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:41 pm
by Jeff Khoury
I like mine to be made of rubber and approximately round.
----- Original Message ----- From: "RobertWichert" To: "kevincrossett" Cc: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 8:03:33 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] WARNING -TIRE THREAD STARTING - WARNING Robert P Wichert, P.Eng LEED AP +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ================================================================================ On 2/1/2012 7:10 PM, kevincrossett wrote: > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , Jeff Saline wrote: > > > > On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 00:06:18 -0000 "kevincrossett" kcrossett@... > > writes: > > > So i have finally solved a mid speed wobble (wobble from 40 to 30 > > > mph). I tightened my steering stem to just barely drag when checking > > > with my pinky, and i have my preload set front and rear to about 30 > > > percent of travel. My only problem left is a slight swerve below 20 > > > mph with my hands off the handlebar. My rear wheel alignment is as > > > close as I can get it using the string method.I have thought of a > > > few things that may be the culprit such as warped front rotor or a > > > worn tire. My rotor is an oversize EBC. The brakes now barely rub > > > after some filing on my green Galfer pads. The rubbing is rhythmic, > > > but just barely. I have an Eagle Mike fork brace that i believe is > > > installed correctly as both sides of the brace are seated on the > > > fork tubes correctly. The tires are Conti Trail Attacks with about > > > 9,000 miles. I have heard these tires may have stability isses on > > > other bikes. > > > Any thoughts? > > <><><><><><><> > > <><><><><><><> > > > > Not trying to be negative but riding hands off below 20 mph is > probably > > not gonna give you much useful information. I would expect to have > some > > swerving going on if I was riding like that no matter how well the > bike > > was set up. > > > > The check I suggest you try is from about 50 mph decelerating to about > 25 > > or 30 mph with hands just off the bars. If you get any head shake you > > might have a steering head bearing adjustment issue. Or it could be > > tires or tire pressure or suspension. This test should give you an > idea > > if the steering head bearings are too loose. > > > > When steering head bearings are too tight you'll get a weave when > trying > > to ride straight with your hands on the bars. What is happening is > you > > can't make little corrections because the bearings are too tight. So > you > > over correct in one direction and then over correct again in the other > > direction. And that continues until something changes. > > > > Based on the miles (9,000) on the tires I'll guess the tires are now > > causing issues. > > > > Best, > > > > Jeff Saline > > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 > > > > . > > . > > __________________________________________________________ > > The New "Skinny" Fruit > > How This Strange 62-Cent African Fruit Is Making Americans Skinny. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f29fae02af4b661cf1st06vuc > > > > Thanks Jeff. I don't have any wobble from 70 to 20 mph. I had an issue > with some mid speed wobble but the preload and stering stem nut > adjustments solved that. I am thinking the front tire may be wearing > unevenly, which could cause the low speed swerve. I don't recall having > this issue a month or two ago. i think some Gripsters are in my future. > They seem to have good reviews and are long lasting for my commuting > duties. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

slow speed swerve with hands off handlebar

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:21 am
by ron criswell
I would be curious what tire pressure you run? I run 32 psi on street and never have wobble issues. 20 to 25 psi on dirt. It doesn't matter what tire I use from Dunlop 606 to Gripsters. I have run the Kendas, Continentals and now run Mefo's. Criswell Sent from my iPad
On Feb 1, 2012, at 9:10 PM, "kevincrossett" wrote: > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote: > > > > On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 00:06:18 -0000 "kevincrossett" kcrossett@... > > writes: > > > So i have finally solved a mid speed wobble (wobble from 40 to 30 > > > mph). I tightened my steering stem to just barely drag when checking > > > with my pinky, and i have my preload set front and rear to about 30 > > > percent of travel. My only problem left is a slight swerve below 20 > > > mph with my hands off the handlebar. My rear wheel alignment is as > > > close as I can get it using the string method.I have thought of a > > > few things that may be the culprit such as warped front rotor or a > > > worn tire. My rotor is an oversize EBC. The brakes now barely rub > > > after some filing on my green Galfer pads. The rubbing is rhythmic, > > > but just barely. I have an Eagle Mike fork brace that i believe is > > > installed correctly as both sides of the brace are seated on the > > > fork tubes correctly. The tires are Conti Trail Attacks with about > > > 9,000 miles. I have heard these tires may have stability isses on > > > other bikes. > > > Any thoughts? > > <><><><><><><> > > <><><><><><><> > > > > Not trying to be negative but riding hands off below 20 mph is > probably > > not gonna give you much useful information. I would expect to have > some > > swerving going on if I was riding like that no matter how well the > bike > > was set up. > > > > The check I suggest you try is from about 50 mph decelerating to about > 25 > > or 30 mph with hands just off the bars. If you get any head shake you > > might have a steering head bearing adjustment issue. Or it could be > > tires or tire pressure or suspension. This test should give you an > idea > > if the steering head bearings are too loose. > > > > When steering head bearings are too tight you'll get a weave when > trying > > to ride straight with your hands on the bars. What is happening is > you > > can't make little corrections because the bearings are too tight. So > you > > over correct in one direction and then over correct again in the other > > direction. And that continues until something changes. > > > > Based on the miles (9,000) on the tires I'll guess the tires are now > > causing issues. > > > > Best, > > > > Jeff Saline > > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 > > > > . > > . > > __________________________________________________________ > > The New "Skinny" Fruit > > How This Strange 62-Cent African Fruit Is Making Americans Skinny. > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f29fae02af4b661cf1st06vuc > > > > Thanks Jeff. I don't have any wobble from 70 to 20 mph. I had an issue > with some mid speed wobble but the preload and stering stem nut > adjustments solved that. I am thinking the front tire may be wearing > unevenly, which could cause the low speed swerve. I don't recall having > this issue a month or two ago. i think some Gripsters are in my future. > They seem to have good reviews and are long lasting for my commuting > duties. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

slow speed swerve with hands off handlebar

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:48 am
by Kevin Crossett
I was running 32 rear, 26 front per the tire manufacturer's recommendation. I still set the rear at 32, but lowered the front from 26 to 24 because the tire wasn't heating up enough during normal running operation. I don't think I quite have the front pressure right yet so I may take out another PSI. Feb 2, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Ron Criswell wrote:
> I would be curious what tire pressure you run? I run 32 psi on > street and never have wobble issues. 20 to 25 psi on dirt. It > doesn't matter what tire I use from Dunlop 606 to Gripsters. I have > run the Kendas, Continentals and now run Mefo's. > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 1, 2012, at 9:10 PM, "kevincrossett" > wrote: > >> >> --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote: >> > >> > On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 00:06:18 -0000 "kevincrossett" kcrossett@... >> > writes: >> > > So i have finally solved a mid speed wobble (wobble from 40 to 30 >> > > mph). I tightened my steering stem to just barely drag when >> checking >> > > with my pinky, and i have my preload set front and rear to >> about 30 >> > > percent of travel. My only problem left is a slight swerve >> below 20 >> > > mph with my hands off the handlebar. My rear wheel alignment is >> as >> > > close as I can get it using the string method.I have thought of a >> > > few things that may be the culprit such as warped front rotor >> or a >> > > worn tire. My rotor is an oversize EBC. The brakes now barely rub >> > > after some filing on my green Galfer pads. The rubbing is >> rhythmic, >> > > but just barely. I have an Eagle Mike fork brace that i believe >> is >> > > installed correctly as both sides of the brace are seated on the >> > > fork tubes correctly. The tires are Conti Trail Attacks with >> about >> > > 9,000 miles. I have heard these tires may have stability isses on >> > > other bikes. >> > > Any thoughts? >> > <><><><><><><> >> > <><><><><><><> >> > >> > Not trying to be negative but riding hands off below 20 mph is >> probably >> > not gonna give you much useful information. I would expect to have >> some >> > swerving going on if I was riding like that no matter how well the >> bike >> > was set up. >> > >> > The check I suggest you try is from about 50 mph decelerating to >> about >> 25 >> > or 30 mph with hands just off the bars. If you get any head shake >> you >> > might have a steering head bearing adjustment issue. Or it could be >> > tires or tire pressure or suspension. This test should give you an >> idea >> > if the steering head bearings are too loose. >> > >> > When steering head bearings are too tight you'll get a weave when >> trying >> > to ride straight with your hands on the bars. What is happening is >> you >> > can't make little corrections because the bearings are too tight. >> So >> you >> > over correct in one direction and then over correct again in the >> other >> > direction. And that continues until something changes. >> > >> > Based on the miles (9,000) on the tires I'll guess the tires are >> now >> > causing issues. >> > >> > Best, >> > >> > Jeff Saline >> > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal >> > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org >> > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota >> > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 >> > >> > . >> > . >> > __________________________________________________________ >> > The New "Skinny" Fruit >> > How This Strange 62-Cent African Fruit Is Making Americans Skinny. >> > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f29fae02af4b661cf1st06vuc >> > >> >> Thanks Jeff. I don't have any wobble from 70 to 20 mph. I had an >> issue >> with some mid speed wobble but the preload and stering stem nut >> adjustments solved that. I am thinking the front tire may be wearing >> unevenly, which could cause the low speed swerve. I don't recall >> having >> this issue a month or two ago. i think some Gripsters are in my >> future. >> They seem to have good reviews and are long lasting for my commuting >> duties. >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >>
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slow speed swerve with hands off handlebar

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:03 am
by Jeff Saline
On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 07:47:52 -0500 Kevin Crossett writes:
> I was running 32 rear, 26 front per the tire manufacturer's > recommendation. I still set the rear at 32, but lowered the front > from > 26 to 24 because the tire wasn't heating up enough during normal > running operation. I don't think I quite have the front pressure > right > yet so I may take out another PSI.
<><><><><><> <><><><><><> Wow! Seems to me you're going the wrong direction. Unless the tire won't hold more than 26 psi I'd be running 32 psi front and maybe 36 psi rear. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f2a97743f3868bb08st04vuc

slow speed swerve with hands off handlebar

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:44 am
by Fred Hink
A tire manufacturer has a pressure recommendation for your tire on your bike with your riding style? Amazing! I'd like to see that. Also the tire pressure guide in your owners manual can be off too since it is only a basic recommendation for a starting point. You have to adjust your pressure according to how you want your bike to handle and perform. Never exceed the maximum pressure stamped on the sidewall. This pressure is not the pressure the tire manufacturer recommends you use but a safe pressure for a maximum load which is also stamped on your tire sidewall. Since your tire is worn and running a lower than normal pressure for street riding, I'd say you need to start with a new (good) tire and raise your pressure some. There are reasons why most tires will have wear bars. When a tire gets worn, it's geometry changes and effects the way your bike handles. Try raising your pressure and see if that helps. If not, I'd say you may need some new tires. Fred www.arrowheadmotorsports.com -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Crossett Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 5:47 AM To: Ron Criswell Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Slow speed swerve with hands off handlebar I was running 32 rear, 26 front per the tire manufacturer's recommendation. I still set the rear at 32, but lowered the front from 26 to 24 because the tire wasn't heating up enough during normal running operation. I don't think I quite have the front pressure right yet so I may take out another PSI. Feb 2, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Ron Criswell wrote:
> I would be curious what tire pressure you run? I run 32 psi on > street and never have wobble issues. 20 to 25 psi on dirt. It > doesn't matter what tire I use from Dunlop 606 to Gripsters. I have > run the Kendas, Continentals and now run Mefo's. > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 1, 2012, at 9:10 PM, "kevincrossett" > wrote: > >> >> --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote: >> > >> > On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 00:06:18 -0000 "kevincrossett" kcrossett@... >> > writes: >> > > So i have finally solved a mid speed wobble (wobble from 40 to 30 >> > > mph). I tightened my steering stem to just barely drag when >> checking >> > > with my pinky, and i have my preload set front and rear to >> about 30 >> > > percent of travel. My only problem left is a slight swerve >> below 20 >> > > mph with my hands off the handlebar. My rear wheel alignment is >> as >> > > close as I can get it using the string method.I have thought of a >> > > few things that may be the culprit such as warped front rotor >> or a >> > > worn tire. My rotor is an oversize EBC. The brakes now barely rub >> > > after some filing on my green Galfer pads. The rubbing is >> rhythmic, >> > > but just barely. I have an Eagle Mike fork brace that i believe >> is >> > > installed correctly as both sides of the brace are seated on the >> > > fork tubes correctly. The tires are Conti Trail Attacks with >> about >> > > 9,000 miles. I have heard these tires may have stability isses on >> > > other bikes. >> > > Any thoughts? >> > <><><><><><><> >> > <><><><><><><> >> > >> > Not trying to be negative but riding hands off below 20 mph is >> probably >> > not gonna give you much useful information. I would expect to have >> some >> > swerving going on if I was riding like that no matter how well the >> bike >> > was set up. >> > >> > The check I suggest you try is from about 50 mph decelerating to >> about >> 25 >> > or 30 mph with hands just off the bars. If you get any head shake >> you >> > might have a steering head bearing adjustment issue. Or it could be >> > tires or tire pressure or suspension. This test should give you an >> idea >> > if the steering head bearings are too loose. >> > >> > When steering head bearings are too tight you'll get a weave when >> trying >> > to ride straight with your hands on the bars. What is happening is >> you >> > can't make little corrections because the bearings are too tight. >> So >> you >> > over correct in one direction and then over correct again in the >> other >> > direction. And that continues until something changes. >> > >> > Based on the miles (9,000) on the tires I'll guess the tires are >> now >> > causing issues. >> > >> > Best, >> > >> > Jeff Saline >> > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal >> > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org >> > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota >> > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 >> > >> > . >> > . >> > __________________________________________________________ >> > The New "Skinny" Fruit >> > How This Strange 62-Cent African Fruit Is Making Americans Skinny. >> > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f29fae02af4b661cf1st06vuc >> > >> >> Thanks Jeff. I don't have any wobble from 70 to 20 mph. I had an >> issue >> with some mid speed wobble but the preload and stering stem nut >> adjustments solved that. I am thinking the front tire may be wearing >> unevenly, which could cause the low speed swerve. I don't recall >> having >> this issue a month or two ago. i think some Gripsters are in my >> future. >> They seem to have good reviews and are long lasting for my commuting >> duties. >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >>
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slow speed swerve with hands off handlebar

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:46 am
by Kevin Crossett
I thought so too but I can't get more than a five percent increase from cold to hot on the front tire with higher pressure. The manufacturer suggests 32 rear and 26 front for the KLR. James from Horizons Unlimited suggests a 10 to 15 percent increase from cold to hot. At 26 PSI in the front I only get to 27 psi hot which is less than a five percent increase. On the rear I go from 32 psi to 36 psi, a 12.5 percent increase. I understand that a lower pressure at cold equates to a hotter tire and higher pressure at speed. I may be completely wrong, but the physics sound right, especially as weight is added or subtracted from the bike. It seems sound that tire pressure should be adjusted for the load instead of running a standard pressure in all road conditions. Of course things change in the dirt, but I am concentrating on road use in this situation. As I said, I could be completely wrong. If so, I look forward to being corrected. Cheers
On Feb 2, 2012, at 9:01, Jeff Saline wrote: > On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 07:47:52 -0500 Kevin Crossett > writes: >> I was running 32 rear, 26 front per the tire manufacturer's >> recommendation. I still set the rear at 32, but lowered the front >> from >> 26 to 24 because the tire wasn't heating up enough during normal >> running operation. I don't think I quite have the front pressure >> right >> yet so I may take out another PSI. > <><><><><><> > <><><><><><> > > Wow! Seems to me you're going the wrong direction. Unless the tire > won't hold more than 26 psi I'd be running 32 psi front and maybe 36 psi > rear. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 > > . > . > ____________________________________________________________ > Mortgage Rate at 2.0% > $200,000 loan for $739/month. See New Payment - No SSN Rqd. Save Now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f2a977449ae68acc4st05vuc