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I have bought 2 things from Pin Wall and had a great experience. While I agree they screwed up on the bank angle sensors and the decompression solenoids, I think you're confusing them with another seller on the seat latches. The seat latch I saw was posted by ibuyatvs, not Pin Wall. Unless you're talking about another seat latch... In my opinion, Pin Wall isn't trying to scam anybody, they just made mistakes. I can imagine they hire high school kids to tear apart their bikes and they get confused. They probably have hundreds of parts going thru their shop daily. ________________________________ From: Jeffrey To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:29 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] More EBAY KLR650 scams This one company PinWall Cycle Parts Inc sells: 1)Bank angle sensors 2)Seat latches 3)Kawasaki KLR650 KL650 KLR 650 DECOMPRESSION SOLENOID Item condition: -- Price: US $29.95 Buy It NowBuy It Now Add to Watch list BillMeLater Get 6 month financingSee terms Shipping: $11.33 Standard Shipping | See all shipping details Estimated delivery time varies. This service delivers within 1-5 days after seller ships item. eBay shield NEW eBay Buyer Protection eBay will cover your purchase price plus original shipping. Learn more about eBay Buyer Protection - opens in a new window or tab Seller info Member id pinwall_cycle_parts ( Feedback Score Of 114330Red shooting star icon for feedback score in between 100,000 to 499,999) About member 99% Positive feedback Ask a question Save this seller See other items from this seller Visit store: Ebay StoresPinWall Cycle Parts Inc Other item info Item number: 130312108057 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi all, Long story short: I had the unfortunate opportunity to disassemble the engine on my '08 KLR (KACR sheared a gash in the valve cover and then exploded into about 6 pieces). While it was open, I decided to go ahead and have the Schnitz 685 kit installed, mostly in the hopes of stemming the rather alarming rate of oil evaporation I had been experiencing (and which likely contributed to the unfortunate opportunity). Anyhoo... the fixes and mods should be complete any day now, and I would like to ask the group for the consensus on a few topics: 1) Break-in. The Schnitz documentation (http://www.schnitzracing.com/manuals/KLR%20685cc%20Kit-Instructions.doc) recommends a regimen of phased break-in with lots of engine breaking etc. Or do folks favor the "ride it like you stole it" method nowadays? 2) Schnitz recommends the thermo-bob mod. I have followed the debate here and elsewhere on the relative merits of the mod, but I guess what I am wondering here is whether Schnitz's forged piston (as opposed to whatever the OEM piston is) changes the math at all. 3) Schnitz also recommends the PCV valve mod. Not even sure what this one is, though I vaguely recall reading about it. Opinions? Thanks, John

Well too bad about the issues (how many miles on your 08?) and congrats on the 685 (should be nice). I would follow their break in. Side note- I babied my 08 (no 685) during break-in and changed oil/filter every 500 miles until their was no metal in the filter when opened up. (I always do this on every motor) and switched to a 16 front sprocket to keep rpms under 5000 (I noticed oil use when over 5K) I hope to 685 mine when needed. So far no oil usage, but I only have 10K on the motor. Not a big fan of the Thermo-bob. Don't see the need for it and it's another point of failure. To each his own. I think the PVC mod is valid and have thought of doing it myself this winter, but want to get the Benz turbo valve instead of a regular valve. Good luck. Don't forget to give us details. Marc ________________________________ From: kaykuri To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:20 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] 685 kit advice: break-in and mods Hi all, Long story short: I had the unfortunate opportunity to disassemble the engine on my '08 KLR (KACR sheared a gash in the valve cover and then exploded into about 6 pieces). While it was open, I decided to go ahead and have the Schnitz 685 kit installed, mostly in the hopes of stemming the rather alarming rate of oil evaporation I had been experiencing (and which likely contributed to the unfortunate opportunity). Anyhoo... the fixes and mods should be complete any day now, and I would like to ask the group for the consensus on a few topics: 1) Break-in. The Schnitz documentation (http://www.schnitzracing.com/manuals/KLR%20685cc%20Kit-Instructions.doc) recommends a regimen of phased break-in with lots of engine breaking etc. Or do folks favor the "ride it like you stole it" method nowadays? 2) Schnitz recommends the thermo-bob mod. I have followed the debate here and elsewhere on the relative merits of the mod, but I guess what I am wondering here is whether Schnitz's forged piston (as opposed to whatever the OEM piston is) changes the math at all. 3) Schnitz also recommends the PCV valve mod. Not even sure what this one is, though I vaguely recall reading about it. Opinions? Thanks, John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I have the first KLR685 on the road, it has about 35k miles since the kit. Cary, the developer of the kit, specified a detailed break-in for my bike. I followed it to the letter and the bike doesn't burn a drop of oil . So here are Cary's instructions: -----Original Message----- From: kaykuri Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:20 To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] 685 kit advice: break-in and mods Hi all, Long story short: I had the unfortunate opportunity to disassemble the engine on my '08 KLR (KACR sheared a gash in the valve cover and then exploded into about 6 pieces). While it was open, I decided to go ahead and have the Schnitz 685 kit installed, mostly in the hopes of stemming the rather alarming rate of oil evaporation I had been experiencing (and which likely contributed to the unfortunate opportunity). Anyhoo... the fixes and mods should be complete any day now, and I would like to ask the group for the consensus on a few topics: 1) Break-in. The Schnitz documentation (http://www.schnitzracing.com/manuals/KLR%20685cc%20Kit-Instructions.doc) recommends a regimen of phased break-in with lots of engine breaking etc. Or do folks favor the "ride it like you stole it" method nowadays? 2) Schnitz recommends the thermo-bob mod. I have followed the debate here and elsewhere on the relative merits of the mod, but I guess what I am wondering here is whether Schnitz's forged piston (as opposed to whatever the OEM piston is) changes the math at all. 3) Schnitz also recommends the PCV valve mod. Not even sure what this one is, though I vaguely recall reading about it. Opinions? Thanks, John [The entire original message is not included.] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well my personal experience with my more my Corvette (406 long rod small block with no thermostat-has a restrictor) has shown from tear-downs to have no appreciable wear without a thermostat and by-pass. Like I said-to each his own ________________________________ From: "Cox, John" To: Marc ; kaykuri ; "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>; kaykuri Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:33 PM Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] 685 kit advice: break-in and mods Thermo-Bob minimizes engine coolant temperature fluctuations which minimizes engine wear also kinder to your oil. That s why your expensive car has the equivalent of t-bob. The KLR cooling system design was probably borrowed from an offroad bike which is ok for most riders who will probably never hit 20k miles on their klr650. Not shilling for wattman but I believe his engineering is sound. From:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marc Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:44 PM To: kaykuri; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] 685 kit advice: break-in and mods Well too bad about the issues (how many miles on your 08?) and congrats on the 685 (should be nice). I would follow their break in. Side note- I babied my 08 (no 685) during break-in and changed oil/filter every 500 miles until their was no metal in the filter when opened up. (I always do this on every motor) and switched to a 16 front sprocket to keep rpms under 5000 (I noticed oil use when over 5K) I hope to 685 mine when needed. So far no oil usage, but I only have 10K on the motor. Not a big fan of the Thermo-bob. Don't see the need for it and it's another point of failure. To each his own. I think the PVC mod is valid and have thought of doing it myself this winter, but want to get the Benz turbo valve instead of a regular valve. Good luck. Don't forget to give us details. Marc ________________________________ From: kaykuri To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:20 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] 685 kit advice: break-in and mods Hi all, Long story short: I had the unfortunate opportunity to disassemble the engine on my '08 KLR (KACR sheared a gash in the valve cover and then exploded into about 6 pieces). While it was open, I decided to go ahead and have the Schnitz 685 kit installed, mostly in the hopes of stemming the rather alarming rate of oil evaporation I had been experiencing (and which likely contributed to the unfortunate opportunity). Anyhoo... the fixes and mods should be complete any day now, and I would like to ask the group for the consensus on a few topics: 1) Break-in. The Schnitz documentation (http://www.schnitzracing.com/manuals/KLR%20685cc%20Kit-Instructions.doc) recommends a regimen of phased break-in with lots of engine breaking etc. Or do folks favor the "ride it like you stole it" method nowadays? 2) Schnitz recommends the thermo-bob mod. I have followed the debate here and elsewhere on the relative merits of the mod, but I guess what I am wondering here is whether Schnitz's forged piston (as opposed to whatever the OEM piston is) changes the math at all. 3) Schnitz also recommends the PCV valve mod. Not even sure what this one is, though I vaguely recall reading about it. Opinions? Thanks, John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Here are Cary's instructions: Assemble the engine "dry", *don't* pre-lube the cylinder bore with oil before fitting piston. Fill bike with 10W-30 detergent oil. No synthetic. Idle bike until warmed up (fan comes on) Ride the bike accelerating rapidly to ? throttle, then close the throttle abruptly and let the bike decelerate using engine braking. Repeat for 15 mins then run the bike up to ? throttle alternating rapid acceleration and equally rapid deceleration against the closed throttle. After 15 mins accelerate rapidly up to redline then close throttle and decelerate to slow speeds. Repeat for 15 mins. Ride the bike normally until 100 miles have accumulated, drain oil and replace with 10W-40 detergent oil, no synthetic. Change the filter too. For the next 100 miles bike ride the bike normally, but avoid running at one RPM for a long time. Ensure that you do some engine braking against a closed throttle. After 100 miles change the oil and filter. At this oil change you can go back to synthetic if you choose to do so since the bike is fully broken in. At the first 100 mile oil change my magnetic drain plug had noticeable"fuzz" on it, likely from the new rings. At the second 100 mile oil change I noted zero fuzz; I think the rings were fully seated at this time. Since the cylinder was oil free for a second or so after the bike started for the first time with the 685 piston I wonder if the rings were mostly seated in the first second of operation -----Original Message----- From: John Biccum Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 13:22 To: kaykuri; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] 685 kit advice: break-in and mods I have the first KLR685 on the road, it has about 35k miles since the kit. Cary, the developer of the kit, specified a detailed break-in for my bike. I followed it to the letter and the bike doesn't burn a drop of oil . So here are Cary's instructions: -----Original Message----- From: kaykuri Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:20 To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] 685 kit advice: break-in and mods Hi all, Long story short: I had the unfortunate opportunity to disassemble the engine on my '08 KLR (KACR sheared a gash in the valve cover and then exploded into about 6 pieces). While it was open, I decided to go ahead and have the Schnitz 685 kit installed, mostly in the hopes of stemming the rather alarming rate of oil evaporation I had been experiencing (and which likely contributed to the unfortunate opportunity). Anyhoo... the fixes and mods should be complete any day now, and I would like to ask the group for the consensus on a few topics: 1) Break-in. The Schnitz documentation (http://www.schnitzracing.com/manuals/KLR%20685cc%20Kit-Instructions.doc) recommends a regimen of phased break-in with lots of engine breaking etc. Or do folks favor the "ride it like you stole it" method nowadays? 2) Schnitz recommends the thermo-bob mod. I have followed the debate here and elsewhere on the relative merits of the mod, but I guess what I am wondering here is whether Schnitz's forged piston (as opposed to whatever the OEM piston is) changes the math at all. 3) Schnitz also recommends the PCV valve mod. Not even sure what this one is, though I vaguely recall reading about it. Opinions? Thanks, John [The entire original message is not included.] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [The entire original message is not included.] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

John, My reply wasn't a jab at you (although you seem to have taken it that way). I was just stating my experience. Marc ________________________________ From: "Cox, John" To: Marc ; kaykuri ; "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:51 PM Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] 685 kit advice: break-in and mods I stand corrected. Your (presumably) expensive car apparently does not have a thermostat. How could I have known. From:Marc [mailto:marchaug2000@...] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:44 PM To: Cox, John; kaykuri; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] 685 kit advice: break-in and mods Well my personal experience with my more my Corvette (406 long rod small block with no thermostat-has a restrictor) has shown from tear-downs to have no appreciable wear without a thermostat and by-pass. Like I said-to each his own ________________________________ From:"Cox, John" To: Marc ; kaykuri ; "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>; kaykuri Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:33 PM Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] 685 kit advice: break-in and mods Thermo-Bob minimizes engine coolant temperature fluctuations which minimizes engine wear also kinder to your oil. That s why your expensive car has the equivalent of t-bob. The KLR cooling system design was probably borrowed from an offroad bike which is ok for most riders who will probably never hit 20k miles on their klr650. Not shilling for wattman but I believe his engineering is sound. From:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Marc Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:44 PM To: kaykuri; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] 685 kit advice: break-in and mods Well too bad about the issues (how many miles on your 08?) and congrats on the 685 (should be nice). I would follow their break in. Side note- I babied my 08 (no 685) during break-in and changed oil/filter every 500 miles until their was no metal in the filter when opened up. (I always do this on every motor) and switched to a 16 front sprocket to keep rpms under 5000 (I noticed oil use when over 5K) I hope to 685 mine when needed. So far no oil usage, but I only have 10K on the motor. Not a big fan of the Thermo-bob. Don't see the need for it and it's another point of failure. To each his own. I think the PVC mod is valid and have thought of doing it myself this winter, but want to get the Benz turbo valve instead of a regular valve. Good luck. Don't forget to give us details. Marc ________________________________ From: kaykuri To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:20 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] 685 kit advice: break-in and mods Hi all, Long story short: I had the unfortunate opportunity to disassemble the engine on my '08 KLR (KACR sheared a gash in the valve cover and then exploded into about 6 pieces). While it was open, I decided to go ahead and have the Schnitz 685 kit installed, mostly in the hopes of stemming the rather alarming rate of oil evaporation I had been experiencing (and which likely contributed to the unfortunate opportunity). Anyhoo... the fixes and mods should be complete any day now, and I would like to ask the group for the consensus on a few topics: 1) Break-in. The Schnitz documentation (http://www.schnitzracing.com/manuals/KLR%20685cc%20Kit-Instructions.doc) recommends a regimen of phased break-in with lots of engine breaking etc. Or do folks favor the "ride it like you stole it" method nowadays? 2) Schnitz recommends the thermo-bob mod. I have followed the debate here and elsewhere on the relative merits of the mod, but I guess what I am wondering here is whether Schnitz's forged piston (as opposed to whatever the OEM piston is) changes the math at all. 3) Schnitz also recommends the PCV valve mod. Not even sure what this one is, though I vaguely recall reading about it. Opinions? Thanks, John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Apples to oranges. No thermostat on your Vette means no bam-bam temperature cycles. It just warms up slowly and steadily. As said below Wattman's engineering is sound. Ken

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Marc wrote: > ** > > > Well my personal experience with my more my Corvette (406 long rod small > block with no thermostat-has a restrictor) has shown from tear-downs to have > no appreciable wear without a thermostat and by-pass. > > Like I said-to each his own > > ________________________________ > From: "Cox, John" > To: Marc ; kaykuri ; " > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>; kaykuri kaykuri@...> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:33 PM > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] 685 kit advice: break-in and mods > > Thermo-Bob minimizes engine coolant temperature fluctuations which > minimizes engine wear also kinder to your oil. That s why your expensive > car has the equivalent of t-bob. The KLR cooling system design was probably > borrowed from an offroad bike which is ok for most riders who will probably > never hit 20k miles on their klr650. > > Not shilling for wattman but I believe his engineering is sound. > > > From:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Marc > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:44 PM > To: kaykuri; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] 685 kit advice: break-in and mods > > > Well too bad about the issues (how many miles on your 08?) and congrats on > the 685 (should be nice). > > I would follow their break in. > Side note- I babied my 08 (no 685) during break-in and changed oil/filter > every 500 miles until their was no metal in the filter when opened up. (I > always do this on every motor) and switched to a 16 front sprocket to keep > rpms under 5000 (I noticed oil use when over 5K) I hope to 685 mine when > needed. So far no oil usage, but I only have 10K on the motor. > > Not a big fan of the Thermo-bob. Don't see the need for it and it's another > point of failure. To each his own. > > I think the PVC mod is valid and have thought of doing it myself this > winter, but want to get the Benz turbo valve instead of a regular valve. > > Good luck. > > Don't forget to give us details. > > Marc > > ________________________________ > From: kaykuri > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:20 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] 685 kit advice: break-in and mods > > > Hi all, > > Long story short: I had the unfortunate opportunity to disassemble the > engine on my '08 KLR (KACR sheared a gash in the valve cover and then > exploded into about 6 pieces). While it was open, I decided to go ahead and > have the Schnitz 685 kit installed, mostly in the hopes of stemming the > rather alarming rate of oil evaporation I had been experiencing (and which > likely contributed to the unfortunate opportunity). > > Anyhoo... the fixes and mods should be complete any day now, and I would > like to ask the group for the consensus on a few topics: > > 1) Break-in. The Schnitz documentation ( > http://www.schnitzracing.com/manuals/KLR%20685cc%20Kit-Instructions.doc) > recommends a regimen of phased break-in with lots of engine breaking etc. Or > do folks favor the "ride it like you stole it" method nowadays? > > 2) Schnitz recommends the thermo-bob mod. I have followed the debate here > and elsewhere on the relative merits of the mod, but I guess what I am > wondering here is whether Schnitz's forged piston (as opposed to whatever > the OEM piston is) changes the math at all. > > 3) Schnitz also recommends the PCV valve mod. Not even sure what this one > is, though I vaguely recall reading about it. Opinions? > > Thanks, > > John > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- Ken WestRidge@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]