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Posted: **Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:22 pm**

I am afraid to use anything harsh on my chain. I consider WD40, Kerosene, Gunk, gasoline, diesel to be harsh to rubber. If I have some power steering fluid or ATF on the shelf I use it. Power steering pumps and automatic transmissions have rubber O rings inside. I soak a small rag with the fluid and I just wipe off the chain as I lean the KLR on its kickstand and spin the tire. I do use WD40 but not on relatively new chains. WD40 is the most convenient and the small 99 cent size is easy to carry. SILICONE SPRAY IS THE MOST RUBBER O RING FRIENDLY THING YOU CAN SPRAY ON YOUR CHAIN. Don't get your fingers caught between the chain and sprocket! Then I dry the chain with a clean rag and I use a proper O ring chain spray; I have Bel Ray in inventory. From WD40 website: How is 3-IN-ONE Multi-Purpose Oil different from WD-40? 3-IN-ONE Multi-Purpose Oil, with two unique spout options, enables you to lubricate items without any overspray or splatter. 3-IN-ONE Multi-Purpose Oil is ideal to use on in-line skates, tools, rollers, hinges, moving parts, skateboards, and wheels....almost everything that moves. WD-40 cleans/degreases, penetrates to loosen up stuck parts, prevents corrosion and is a light lubricant. What is the difference between 3-IN-ONE Multi-Purpose and 3-IN-ONE with added PTFE? 3-IN-ONE Multi-Purpose Oil is a precision lubricating oil for a variety of uses from lubricating moving parts to preventing rust. 3-IN-ONE with PTFE comes in an aerosol and the addition of PTFE delivers outstanding lubrication and longer lasting protection. This formula is ideal for chains, cables and gear mechanisms. i.e. bicycles. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Silicone spray is an effective lubricant on most surfaces and is noncorrosive or nonreactive. When sprayed on hard surfaces, silicone spray is able to maintain its lubricating properties in a variety of temperature ranges and environments. Silicone will not oxidize. Water Resistant # Silicone spray is resistant to water so it can be used to protect items from moisture. Boat owners use silicone spray on exposed boat metals to help inhibit the development of rust. If sprayed on material, silicone spray will soak into the material and help water bead up and roll off the material. Rubber Treatment # Due to the moisturizing property of silicone spray, it can help prevent rubber from cracking. If applied to rubber gaskets or other rubber items that may become dried, the rubber will be sealed. A sealed rubber gasket won't leak moisture and become dried out. Jeffrey #3

Posted: **Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:47 pm**

#ygrps-yiv-129753312 p {margin:0;}My chain maintenance routine is a little more... umm... unstructured. When I'm mainly on the street I use the factory recommended lube: 90wt gear oil, in a small oiler that you can pick up at any auto parts store. A drop on each o-ring every now-and-again, just keep a film on the chain - don't overdo it. When I'm off-road and the chain has gotten sandy/dirty/wet, I spray it down with WD to displace the water and flush out the grit. (Hence: Water Displacement), then back to the trusty gear oil. It never really builds up a sludge that needs any solvent to remove. A gentle wipe with a rag and the chain shines through. Gear oil costs about 3 bucks a quart and one bottle will end up lasting me about 20,000 miles. My chain now has about 17,000 miles on it and it's still going strong. -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 4:47:40 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Cleaning Chain, lube I am afraid to use anything harsh on my chain. I consider WD40, Kerosene, Gunk, gasoline, diesel to be harsh to rubber. If I have some power steering fluid or ATF on the shelf I use it. Power steering pumps and automatic transmissions have rubber O rings inside. I soak a small rag with the fluid and I just wipe off the chain as I lean the KLR on its kickstand and spin the tire. I do use WD40 but not on relatively new chains. WD40 is the most convenient and the small 99 cent size is easy to carry. SILICONE SPRAY IS THE MOST RUBBER O RING FRIENDLY THING YOU CAN SPRAY ON YOUR CHAIN. Don't get your fingers caught between the chain and sprocket! Then I dry the chain with a clean rag and I use a proper O ring chain spray; I have Bel Ray in inventory. From WD40 website: How is 3-IN-ONE Multi-Purpose Oil different from WD-40? 3-IN-ONE Multi-Purpose Oil, with two unique spout options, enables you to lubricate items without any overspray or splatter. 3-IN-ONE Multi-Purpose Oil is ideal to use on in-line skates, tools, rollers, hinges, moving parts, skateboards, and wheels....almost everything that moves. WD-40 cleans/degreases, penetrates to loosen up stuck parts, prevents corrosion and is a light lubricant. What is the difference between 3-IN-ONE Multi-Purpose and 3-IN-ONE with added PTFE? 3-IN-ONE Multi-Purpose Oil is a precision lubricating oil for a variety of uses from lubricating moving parts to preventing rust. 3-IN-ONE with PTFE comes in an aerosol and the addition of PTFE delivers outstanding lubrication and longer lasting protection. This formula is ideal for chains, cables and gear mechanisms. i.e. bicycles. ---------------------------------------------------------- # Silicone spray is an effective lubricant on most surfaces and is noncorrosive or nonreactive. When sprayed on hard surfaces, silicone spray is able to maintain its lubricating properties in a variety of temperature ranges and environments. Silicone will not oxidize. Water Resistant # Silicone spray is resistant to water so it can be used to protect items from moisture. Boat owners use silicone spray on exposed boat metals to help inhibit the development of rust. If sprayed on material, silicone spray will soak into the material and help water bead up and roll off the material. Rubber Treatment # Due to the moisturizing property of silicone spray, it can help prevent rubber from cracking. If applied to rubber gaskets or other rubber items that may become dried, the rubber will be sealed. A sealed rubber gasket won't leak moisture and become dried out. Jeffrey #3

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:02 am**

Also... I forgot to add: I've used just about anything oily in a pinch, including used motor oil. In my experience if you're using an o-ring or x-ring chain it really doesn't matter as long as you get the grit off and keep the rings moist. I do completely avoid the sticky, greasy spray chain lubes. Dust, grit and sand stick to that stuff and turn it into a grinding rouge. Don't believe me? Hit the trail with it sometime. When you get home wipe some off on your finger and rub it with your thumb. Makes Lava soap feel silky smooth by comparison. Can't possibly be good for the o-rings. -Jeff Khoury

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:50 am**

You are generalizing the word rubber. there are many types of rubber used in O-rings, see the following as a good reference. page 5-35 would be the place to start. http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aircraft/amt_handbook/media/FAA-8083-30_Ch05.pdf . ATF is a Hydraulic fluid, not a lubricant, and is not good for all types of rubber. Most ATFs are Synthetic these days and can rapidly break down some rubber compounds. They will swell the rubber, as can oils, but they will leave it in the swelled state and can harden it when doing so. Any chain you purchase should list the lubricants that are acceptable although cheapo OFF SHORE chains wont. This is not based on the idea of lubricity but rather on compatibility with the sealing compounds used. The OEM chain lists this in the owners manual for the bike. For the most part they specify petroleum oil as being acceptable which means Kerosene, motor oil, gear oil.... The Silicon and Fish oil used in WD-40 should be fine as well as they are OK on all of the compounds that would be used. You may find that ATF is very much the wrong thing to put on a chaiin.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jeffrey" wrote: > > I am afraid to use anything harsh on my chain. I consider WD40, Kerosene, Gunk, gasoline, diesel to be harsh to rubber. If I have some power steering fluid or ATF on the shelf I use it. Power steering pumps and automatic transmissions have rubber O rings inside. I soak a small rag with the fluid and I just wipe off the chain as I lean the KLR on its kickstand and spin the tire. >

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:05 am**

Jeffrey, FWIW, I got 54,000 kms out of my original KLR chain, and ONLY used WD40 to clean/ lube it. Bill Watson got even MORE out of his, and you can check his site here http://watt-man.xanga.com/ and scroll down to "the WD40 experiment". Bill's the fellow that makes the 'Thermo-Bob', among other things. Cheers, Ed

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:16 am**

The box the chain came in said on it not to use WD40 type products. IT SAID IT RIGHT ON THE BOX! Power steering pumps and Automatic Transmissions have O rings and if you change the fluid, you get over 100,000 miles on them. I didn't say to use the products like TransX that actually have extra seal/rubber expander in them. Jeffrey #3

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:38 am**

Why do you think they say not to use Vaseline on condoms? Would you spray WD40 on condoms? Of course, I wouldn't use ATF or PS fluid on a condom cuz not compatible with her...but fine for the rubber! Jeffrey #3

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:49 am**

Not to mention kinda stinky....

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Jeffrey wrote: Why do you think they say not to use Vaseline on condoms? Would you spray WD40 on condoms? Of course, I wouldn't use ATF or PS fluid on a condom cuz not compatible with her...but fine for the rubber! Jeffrey #3

-- - Rich Decker Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:12 am**

Oiling the outside of a chain is like lubricating your oil pan and not seeing if there's any oil in the crankcase. An old Swedish proverb . . . . well not really.

--- On [b]Mon, 6/28/10, Richard Decker [i][/i][/b] wrote: From: Richard Decker Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Cleaning Chain, lube To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 8:49 AM Not to mention kinda stinky.... On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Jeffrey nakedwaterskier@ yahoo.com> wrote: Why do you think they say not to use Vaseline on condoms? Would you spray WD40 on condoms? Of course, I wouldn't use ATF or PS fluid on a condom cuz not compatible with her...but fine for the rubber! Jeffrey #3

-- - Rich Decker Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

Posted: **Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:24 pm**

Wired Magazine did an article on what is in WD40. The recipe for this superlube has long been a closely guarded trade secret until now. Wired sent a can to the lab and got the ingredients. Mineral Oil Seriously. WD-40 is mostly a mix of baby oil, Vaseline, and the goop inside homemade lava lamps. AGAIN VASELINE ON RUBBERS??????? Decane WD-40 contains an abundance of alkanes hydrocarbons that match the formula CxH2x+2, usually in a long, zigzagging chain. This one, C10H22, which is also a common ingredient of gasoline, helps WD-40 remain a liquid at cold temperatures. Decane doesn't freeze until around -21 degrees Fahrenheit. Nonane Another alkane. One reason these molecules are so handy here: Their hydrogen atoms don't hold a charge, so they can't connect to the hydrogen or oxygen in water, which makes alkanes water-repellent. WD-40, after all, stands for "water displacement, 40th attempt." Decane WD-40 contains an abundance of alkanes hydrocarbons that match the formula CxH2x+2, usually in a long, zigzagging chain. This one, C10H22, which is also a common ingredient of gasoline, helps WD-40 remain a liquid at cold temperatures. Decane doesn't freeze until around -21 degrees Fahrenheit. Nonane Another alkane. One reason these molecules are so handy here: Their hydrogen atoms don't hold a charge, so they can't connect to the hydrogen or oxygen in water, which makes alkanes water-repellent. WD-40, after all, stands for "water displacement, 40th attempt." Our lab analyzed WD-40 with gas chromatography (GC) and mass spectroscopy (MS). GC separates chemicals based on size, boiling point, and other factors, releasing them one by one over time. MS then blasts the molecules with an electron beam and tells what's what by the mass of the ionized fragments. Tridecane and Undecane Freeze-resistant? Check. Water- repellent? Check. Contains an alkane that is the major product of the red-banded stinkbug's scent gland? Check! Many alkanes are naturally produced by living creatures. Undecane, part of the pheromone trail left by cockroaches and ants, is present. Tetradecane Another alkane! Zzzzzz. Dimethyl Naphthalene Here's the thing: This stuff (C12H12) comes in 10 forms, called isomers. One of them is a harmless hormone given off by potatoes. Another is used in high-performance engineering plastics. Our analysis can't determine which ones are present here, but if you're using it as a solvent, as is likely the case with WD-40, they all work just fine. Cyclohexane That cyclo prefix means that unlike standard alkanes, which come in chains, this one's a ring. The shape gives cycloalkanes a higher melting point. And huffing them will knock you out cold. (Or so we're told.) Carbon Dioxide The WD-40 company claims that by using this gas as a propellant, it avoids using smaller gaseous alkanes (possibly butane and propane), which can be hazardous to the environment. As if CO2 isn't.

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