Wilsons Sandbox

TO : Mr. Moderator

 

Haven’t we had enough of this CRAP!!

 

It is getting WORSE than NIGERIAN CELL PHONE ADS!!!

 

Please figure out a way to shut these guys UP.

 

FROM : the rest of us

 

[b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Dennis James [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:53 AM [b]To:[/b] marat713@...; judjonzz@...; dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Obama's healthcare...

 

 

  I must call BS on this post.  If, as stated, you have lived outside of the country for half of your life and have not been blessed with good health, why would you live in a country with the worst health care system in the world.   I suspect that you are just a brainwashed liberal Obama supporter who probably has never left the country.   To: judjonzz@msn. com; DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com From: marat713@yahoo. com Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 20:02:18 -0800 Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Obama's healthcare.. .  

Hi there,

 

Not the first post I thought I would write, but insults (whether intelligent or not) aside, the US health care system is by far one of the worst there is in the civilized world. Speaking from experience, it is expensive and by the time the doctors find out what is wrong with you, you will either heal on your own or die from whatever it is you have.  I have worked and lived outside the states for half my life and have seen better health care and more educated doctors in the slums of Eastern Block countries no one ever heard of. I have not been blessed with good health and have been at more hospitals then there are words in the English language. Here in the States the system needs change period. Just my two cents, is all.

 

Sorry if this insults any hardened media brainwashed American patriot out there.

 

Marat 

 

[b]From:[/b] Jud [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Mon, March 8, 2010 6:19:03 PM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Obama's healthcare.. .  

Scott, I never said or even suggested that it was necessary for anyone to see this post, which is totally inappropriate for this forum, only that if you were going to insult me, you should have the balls to do it publicly. Thanks for sharing. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Scott Reitor wrote:

> > I originally sent this to just Jud, as I did not think it necessary for > everyone to see it. Jud has sent me a private email telling me otherwise. > That being the case, I have pasted my exact email to him on this topic > below. > > > > Jud, > > If you are going to insult someone's point of view or call bullshit, be

sure

> you know how to use your $10.00 words. Cognitive dissonance is the state

of

> a person then holding two contradictory beliefs at the same time, such as > thinking 'the sky is blue' while also thinking 'the sky is not blue.' Your > statement is therefore nonsense. > > Your second error is to belittle an opposing point of view by citing his

use

> of 'spurious' anecdotes one sentence after you say "your view of the > Canadian health care system fails to comport with that of the overwhelming > majority of Canadians I have spoken to" which itself is anecdotal.

That

> makes you a hypocrite at best or again, merely reveals your lack of a firm > grasp on the words you use to try to sound intelligent. > > You then conclude with criticizing the point of view of your opposition > because he made a subjective observation which you call bullshit on. The > fact is that no opinion is bullshit...only alleged facts can be bullshit

and

> opinions, just like yours, are nothing more than subjective beliefs. > > In short, go ahead and speak your opinion if you want to, but don't try to > insult someone with words you cannot even use properly and an

underdeveloped

> grasp of how to hold an intelligent debate. > > Scott > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Jud wrote: > > > > > > > A bit of cognitive dissonance here, as your view of the Canadian

health

> > care system fails to comport with that of the overwhelming majority

of

> > Canadians I have spoken to. It's a favorite strategy to falsely

malign the

> > Canadian and various health care systems with spurious anecdotes. You

give

> > yourself away when you point to American health care as the best. In

short,

> > I call bullsh!t. > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com

ups.com ,

> > "fasteddiecopeman" wrote: > > > > > > Stu, > > > As a Canadian, I'd like to reply to one of your points: > > > > > > > Ask yourself this: If we had a comprehensive health care

system in

> > place, would emergency rooms still be used for health concerns that

should

> > be handled (or more likely totally avoided) at routine doctor's

visits?

> > > > > > > > > > The answer is: YES! > > > > > > We've had socialized health care here since the '60s. I've been

in the

> > emergency room with broken bones (mine or buddies) several times and

had to

> > wait behind kids with runny noses, and other 'maladies' that COULD

HAVE (and

> > SHOULD HAVE) been covered by a visit to a clinic or doctor's office! > > > > > > The wait for an MRI here is unconscionably long (can't waste

money on the

> > latest breakthroughs. ..); if you require, for instance, a knee

replacement,

> > you FIRST go on a waiting list to SEE a specialist (a months long

wait!),

> > then, IF it's deemed to be necessary, another up-to-several- YEARS

wait for

> > the operation. > > > > > > Remember Palin's "death-panels" ? We have them here in

Canada - surgeons

> > that COULD do surgeries are not allowed to even tho' O.R.s are

available,

> > due monetary concerns. People in THIS country routinely DIE waiting

for

> > surgeries that are required. > > > > > > The US

has the BEST health care in the world. Why would you wish to let

> > the government (which CAN NOT even run the Post Office, Social

Security or

> > Medicare) take over YOUR health? > > > > > > As a Canadian I would welcome with open arms the ability to

become a US

> > citizen and partake in YOUR health system! > > > > > > The Canadian system is on the verge of bankruptcy (costs me and

every

> > other taxpayer here between 30 and 35% of our income taxes, and going > > nowhere but UP. How's that for "FREE" health care?) > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > My 2cents (Canadian).. .. > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > >

 

 

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Spend money [b]From:[/b] "jonkertb@..." [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Tue, March 9, 2010 11:29:02 AM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] new non healthcare topic   as suggested we were to come up with a topic that we could all agree on so here is my attempt..... name one project or service that the government has done more efficiently than the private sector?? tom battery is charged up....

First amendment, FIRST AMENDMENT!!! You have the right to remain silent, if you don't we will silence you, we know what is best for you and you will like it. [b]From:[/b] "Anderson, Thomas W" [b]To:[/b] "dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com" dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Cc:[/b] Dennis James ; "marat713@..." ; "judjonzz@..." [b]Sent:[/b] Tue, March 9, 2010 11:59:45 AM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] RE: [NKLR_KLR650] =>> MR. MODERATOR - PLEASE KILL THESE!!!!! =>>Re: NKLR - Obama's healthcare...   TO :  Mr. Moderator

 

Haven t we had enough of this CRAP!!

 

It is getting WORSE than NIGERIAN CELL PHONE ADS!!!

 

Please figure out a way to shut these guys UP.

 

FROM :   the rest of us

 

[b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:DSN_ KLR650@yahoogrou ps.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]Dennis James [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:53 AM [b]To:[/b] marat713@yahoo. com; judjonzz@msn. com; dsn_klr650@yahoogro ups.com [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Obama's healthcare.. .

 

 

  I must call BS on this post.  If, as stated, you have lived outside of the country for half of your life and have not been blessed with good health, why would you live in a country with the worst health care system in the world.   I suspect that you are just a brainwashed liberal Obama supporter who probably has never left the country.   To: judjonzz@msn. com; DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com From: marat713@yahoo. com Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 20:02:18 -0800 Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Obama's healthcare.. .  

Hi there,

 

Not the first post I thought I would write, but insults (whether intelligent or not) aside, the US health care system is by far one of the worst there is in the civilized world. Speaking from experience, it is expensive and by the time the doctors find out what is wrong with you, you will either heal on your own or die from whatever it is you have.  I have worked and lived outside the states for half my life and have seen better health care and more educated doctors in the slums of Eastern Block countries no one ever heard of. I have not been blessed with good health and have been at more hospitals then there are words in the English language. Here in the States the system needs change period. Just my two cents, is all.

 

Sorry if this insults any hardened media brainwashed American patriot out there.

 

Marat 

 

[b]From:[/b] Jud [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Mon, March 8, 2010 6:19:03 PM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Obama's healthcare.. .  

Scott, I never said or even suggested that it was necessary for anyone to see this post, which is totally inappropriate for this forum, only that if you were going to insult me, you should have the balls to do it publicly. Thanks for sharing. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Scott Reitor wrote:

> > I originally sent this to just Jud, as I did not think it necessary for > everyone to see it. Jud has sent me a private email telling me otherwise. > That being the case, I have pasted my exact email to him on this topic > below. > > > > Jud, > > If you are going to insult someone's point of view or call bullshit, be

sure

> you know how to use your $10.00 words. Cognitive dissonance is the state

of

> a person then holding two contradictory beliefs at the same time, such as > thinking 'the sky is blue' while also thinking 'the sky is not blue.' Your > statement is therefore nonsense. > > Your second error is to belittle an opposing point of view by citing his

use

> of 'spurious' anecdotes one sentence after you say "your view of the > Canadian health care system fails to comport with that of the overwhelming > majority of Canadians I have spoken to" which itself is anecdotal.

That

> makes you a hypocrite at best or again, merely reveals your lack of a firm > grasp on the words you use to try to sound intelligent. > > You then conclude with criticizing the point of view of your opposition > because he made a subjective observation which you call bullshit on. The > fact is that no opinion is bullshit...only alleged facts can be bullshit

and

> opinions, just like yours, are nothing more than subjective beliefs. > > In short, go ahead and speak your opinion if you want to, but don't try to > insult someone with words you cannot even use properly and an

underdeveloped

> grasp of how to hold an intelligent debate. > > Scott > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Jud wrote: > > > > > > > A bit of cognitive dissonance here, as your view of the Canadian

health

> > care system fails to comport with that of the overwhelming majority

of

> > Canadians I have spoken to. It's a favorite strategy to falsely

malign the

> > Canadian and various health care systems with spurious anecdotes. You

give

> > yourself away when you point to American health care as the best. In

short,

> > I call bullsh!t. > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com

ups.com ,

> > "fasteddiecopeman" wrote: > > > > > > Stu, > > > As a Canadian, I'd like to reply to one of your points: > > > > > > > Ask yourself this: If we had a comprehensive health care

system in

> > place, would emergency rooms still be used for health concerns that

should

> > be handled (or more likely totally avoided) at routine doctor's

visits?

> > > > > > > > > > The answer is: YES! > > > > > > We've had socialized health care here since the '60s. I've been

in the

> > emergency room with broken bones (mine or buddies) several times and

had to

> > wait behind kids with runny noses, and other 'maladies' that COULD

HAVE (and

> > SHOULD HAVE) been covered by a visit to a clinic or doctor's office! > > > > > > The wait for an MRI here is unconscionably long (can't waste

money on the

> > latest breakthroughs. ..); if you require, for instance, a knee

replacement,

> > you FIRST go on a waiting list to SEE a specialist (a months long

wait!),

> > then, IF it's deemed to be necessary, another up-to-several- YEARS

wait for

> > the operation. > > > > > > Remember Palin's "death-panels" ? We have them here in

Canada - surgeons

> > that COULD do surgeries are not allowed to even tho' O.R.s are

available,

> > due monetary concerns. People in THIS country routinely DIE waiting

for

> > surgeries that are required. > > > > > > The US

has the BEST health care in the world. Why would you wish to let

> > the government (which CAN NOT even run the Post Office, Social

Security or

> > Medicare) take over YOUR health? > > > > > > As a Canadian I would welcome with open arms the ability to

become a US

> > citizen and partake in YOUR health system! > > > > > > The Canadian system is on the verge of bankruptcy (costs me and

every

> > other taxpayer here between 30 and 35% of our income taxes, and going > > nowhere but UP. How's that for "FREE" health care?) > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > My 2cents (Canadian).. .. > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > >

 

 

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