There is another argument against running this free fuel in your KLR. Doing
so would be evading the federal excise tax on highway fuel. I don't know
what the penalty is for that, but I'm sure its not something to take
lightly. Federal tax evasion can be a felony, ask Al Capone
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From:
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Behalf Of revmaaatin
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 7:37 AM
To:
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Newb
Hi Chris, Welcome to the KLR!
and Greg, great post by the way.
Dearly beloved, of the (my) KLR congregation,
I don't use much 100LL anymore...JET A is my go-juice of choice.
Nothing like the smell of kerosene in the morning....I digress.
The previous discussion here is of a technical sort, but I would suggest a
different line, so to speak, proposing a different
question:
Instead of "Is it ok to run 100LL?" how about this:
Will running 100LL (Aviation Gasoline) make my KLR run better, safer, more
dependable, etc.?
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Noooooo.
Some of this question has been answered (thanks Greg,).... From my personal
experience, at an airport where I used to fly, the grounds man used slumped
fuel in the lawn mower, and had to change the plug ~every 10 hours, due to
lead fouling. (sounds like a good deal, free gas, buy sparkplugs...)
Conversely, I see that the same would hold true for the KLR, it would be
lead fouling plugs, also, maybe not in 10 hours, but soon. True, you would
be getting free gas, and the offset in the cost of the plug, it would be
cheaper, but what a
pain. For me, having a fouled plug in the KLR would not be a
bonus, even if the fuel is free, which sounds like it is.
Even if the cost were inverted, that is, they paid you to take the fuel, it
would not be a bargain, as the safety issue of having your bike burp, stall,
or just plain quit at an intersection, or in the boonies, would be
'inconvenient' to say the least. Would you stake your life on a bike/gas
combination that might lead to death or injury, beyond the normal 'danger'
of riding a motorcycle?
(HINT: see short answer above.
For a second opinion: see long answer above)
All of this is part of our own personal risk management: How much risk are
you willing to accept, by using something unorthodox. As for me, 100LL
would be acceptable in the KLR or turbine- aircraft...but only as a last
resort.
My final answer: 100LL only as a last resort....
Now, Go change that gas, and change it often!
I am going to close now,
(sidebar comment:)
and Pay very close attention to the air-pressure in your new bike.
The bike's footprint is the only thing that is between "thee, and
me", so to speak, a call to 911. The KAWI recommended tire
pressure is for "dual-purpose" and is low for canyon carving, and aggressive
leaned turns. (Sliding a 21psi tire at 60mph may not land you at 911, but
it will make the individual doing your laundry wonder why your shorts have
skid marks! Don't ask me how I know!!!
Not knowing why, I asked the list, and I did find the answer here at
KLR INFO-DEPOT in Nov 2003.)
Most find pressures closer to 30/32 F/R psi better than the approx 21-24psi
book values (talking from memory, 120 miles away from my bike today) Buy a
tire gauge and put it in your tank-bag or riding jacket and check the tire
pressure, often, weekly at least.
(the choir may now say, A-Men)
revmaaatin.
on duty @ 911 Aberdeen, SD, with a tank full of Jet A
--- In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Schmidt"
wrote:
>
> WTG Chris and welcome! As the rev would say: change gas often and and
> get lots of SPG (smiles per gallon).
>
> On your question of fuel;
> If you haven't already done so. Visit the KLR-FAQ page at:
>
http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html#generalinformation
> There's a section there on fuel.
>
> I've read in a cycle rag recently about the negative effects of
over
> octane use in motorcycle engines. I couldn't find it to quote
it.
> I did find this site on fuels for bikes:
>
http://www.angelfire.com/ia2/vmax/fuelnotes.htm
>
> I hadn't run av-gas in anything for many years so I refered to a
> gasoline FAQ site. This would concern me to run this stuff in my
> bike:
>
> 100LL ( low lead = 0.53mlTEL/L instead of 1.06mlTEL/L) was introduced
> to replace the 80/87 and 100/130. Soon after the introduction, there
> was a spate of plug fouling, and high cylinder head temperatures
> resulting in cracked cylinder heads [110]. The
old
> 80/87 grade was reintroduced on a limited scale. The Aviation
Rating
> is determined using the automotive Motor Octane test procedure,
and
> then converted to an Aviation Number using a table in the method.
>
> From what I remember, The main problem with over octane is that if the
> engine doesn't require it, there's more of it that exits the
> combustion chamber unburned. it will also cause an engine to run
> cooler which as been an on-going discussion on this site. (the
klr
> in cold temps could benefit from warmer operating temps.) It looks as
> though there is a future aftermarket thermostat/housing combo
in
> the works for those that might want to maintain the KLR at a more
> consistant operating temp. (review posts by Jeff S. a few weeks ago).
>
> For sure you don't want any engine knock on a new engine. (any engine
> for that matter). But a new cylinder head with out any
carbon
> deposits shouldn't need any extra octane. I've read several posts
> (including the Vmax site above) where dyno tests have confirmed
that
> running the correct octane fuel for the engine actually yields the
> best HP numbers. -Goes against my way of thinking, I have a "more
is
> better" complex that's gotten me in trouble on several occations.
>
> I run mid grade often but use plain old regular more than 1/2 the
> time. (It just feels good to think I'm treating my KLR to better gas
> because my smile factor was so high as I pull to the pump)
>
> If you're getting the 100LL at a price less than you can buy
regular
> or mid-grade, you could probably run it with no ill effect. But
for
> sure I wouldn't use it at a higher price. There really seems to
be
> no benefit - and possibly some negatives.
>
> Your mileage and power will be lower until the rings seat. More
> important than the fuel, change your oil frequently while breaking in
> the engine. I'd change it before you leave for your 300 mile trip -
> and again when I got back.
>
> It's gotta be tough keeping the rev's below 4000!
> Welcome to KLR land - Buckle up and hang-on!
>
>
> Camo Greg A9 in Michigan
>
>
> In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Chris McAtee" wrote:
> >
> > Hey everyone. Just thought Id pop in and say hello. Just
picked
> up my
> > first bike. 3 days and already 150 miles. I cant wipe the SEG
> off my face
> > (s... eating grin). Took it up out local mountain road (from
5300
> ft
> > elevation to just over 8000) and am planning a 300 mile trip for
> next week.
> > Definately looking into some different mirrors, but other than
> that... this
> > thing is great. How did I ever get around without one?
> >
> > Just a quick question... I work at an airport and have copious
> amounts of
> > sump 100ll available to me. Anyone see a problem in running
this
> in my KLR?
> > I run it in my auto-x cross since its on Dellortos and has no
O2
> sensor to
> > foul, so it should be fine... Id just like a second opinion
> before I put it
> > in my new bike. Also, during the first few hundred miles, is
the
> gas milage
> > lower than what I've read as the average? Im pretty sure it was
> topped when
> > I bought it, and this morning I put 2.7 in for 115 miles.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Chris in WY
> >
>
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