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tire upgrade
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:40 pm
by David Giuliani
I've gone through four IRC rear tires (two fronts)and none of the rear lasted more than 3000 miles, in fact that was pushing it. This time I splurged and bought front and rear TKC80. I used to keep the IRC at 26/28 lbs. no matter the road surface. The max pressure shown on the side wall for the TKC80 is 40psi. That seemed a little excessive so I tried 34/36 this morning. They felt great on the road, quicker through turns, but got a little squirrely on the dirt (dry powdery red clay this time of year)& gravel. I'm wondering what others have to say about these tires and air pressure.
By the way, I also upgraded to a mid weight Progressive rear spring. (Did the fork springs over a year ago.) Great improvement! No more mushy feeling. Solid.
Dave
tire upgrade
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:20 pm
by E Hines
THE TKC's where the best road tires I have had on the KLR. They allowed me to push the KLR much more in the curves than any other tire. I only got 3000 miles out of the rear ( it was a racing slick when I took it off) and only 4000 miles out of the front. They were ok in the dirt. I have since gone to the kenda's and so far I am happy with them. I have over 5000 smiles of mixed riding on them I should get another 2000 miles out of them, but I have to slow done a little in the curves. They are much better off road. I am on my 4th set of tires in 17000 smiles......... I hope this helps.........
________________________________
From: David Giuliani
To:
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:40:10 PM
Subject: [DSN_KLR650] tire upgrade
I've gone through four IRC rear tires (two fronts)and none of the rear lasted more than 3000 miles, in fact that was pushing it. This time I splurged and bought front and rear TKC80. I used to keep the IRC at 26/28 lbs. no matter the road surface. The max pressure shown on the side wall for the TKC80 is 40psi. That seemed a little excessive so I tried 34/36 this morning. They felt great on the road, quicker through turns, but got a little squirrely on the dirt (dry powdery red clay this time of year)& gravel. I'm wondering what others have to say about these tires and air pressure.
By the way, I also upgraded to a mid weight Progressive rear spring. (Did the fork springs over a year ago.) Great improvement! No more mushy feeling. Solid.
Dave
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tire upgrade
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:37 pm
by Jeff Khoury
My stock rear lasted me 5600 miles. I just replaced it with a Metzeler Enduro 3 Sahara and went on a 1200 mile odyssey from LA to San Jose via PCH. It is a competent road tire and while it is quite a bit more noisy than the stock one, it feels very comfortable both on and off road, even in the twisties of PCH through Big Sur. I did some light trail with it and it felt good, but I never ran into any mud, so I can't say how it will go. I will post updates as I wear the thing down.
That being said, it was expensive and the sidewalls are VERY thick. Mounting it was a chore, even though I was using a No-Mar tire machine. In fact the sidewalls were so thick, before I mounted it I sat on the tire like a stool and it held my (180lb) weight with very little deformation. This makes sense seeing that it was supposedly designed for the R1100GS-A, which is a MUCH heavier bike than the KLR.
-Jeff Khoury
Astatic Solutions, LLC.
----- Original Message -----
From: "E Hines"
To: "David Giuliani" , "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:19:36 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] tire upgrade
THE TKC's where the best road tires I have had on the KLR. They allowed me to push the KLR much more in the curves than any other tire. I only got 3000 miles out of the rear ( it was a racing slick when I took it off) and only 4000 miles out of the front. They were ok in the dirt. I have since gone to the kenda's and so far I am happy with them. I have over 5000 smiles of mixed riding on them I should get another 2000 miles out of them, but I have to slow done a little in the curves. They are much better off road. I am on my 4th set of tires in 17000 smiles......... I hope this helps.........
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From: David Giuliani < foolstools@... >
To:
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:40:10 PM
Subject: [DSN_KLR650] tire upgrade
I've gone through four IRC rear tires (two fronts)and none of the rear lasted more than 3000 miles, in fact that was pushing it. This time I splurged and bought front and rear TKC80. I used to keep the IRC at 26/28 lbs. no matter the road surface. The max pressure shown on the side wall for the TKC80 is 40psi. That seemed a little excessive so I tried 34/36 this morning. They felt great on the road, quicker through turns, but got a little squirrely on the dirt (dry powdery red clay this time of year)& gravel. I'm wondering what others have to say about these tires and air pressure.
By the way, I also upgraded to a mid weight Progressive rear spring. (Did the fork springs over a year ago.) Great improvement! No more mushy feeling. Solid.
Dave
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tire upgrade
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:55 am
by David Giuliani
Another question and a little clarification:
When I "balanced" the wheel/tire on a pair of jack stands, it kept landing at the same point until I worked up to 2 oz. of 1/4 oz. weights lined up along one side between the spokes. I've never had to place that many before. Could it be do to the newly installed extra heavy duty tube? Has anyone experienced this?
I'm wondering what sort of pressure you guys run in the TKC80. I'd like to keep an average for road, gravel, and dirt use but don't want to sacrifice road-ability for my 15% trail use. And I don't want to sacrifice wear either. My weight plus minor gear usually doesn't go over 220lbs.
Dave
--- In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "David Giuliani" wrote:
>
> I've gone through four IRC rear tires (two fronts)and none of the rear lasted more than 3000 miles, in fact that was pushing it. This time I splurged and bought front and rear TKC80. I used to keep the IRC at 26/28 lbs. no matter the road surface. The max pressure shown on the side wall for the TKC80 is 40psi. That seemed a little excessive so I tried 34/36 this morning. They felt great on the road, quicker through turns, but got a little squirrely on the dirt (dry powdery red clay this time of year)& gravel. I'm wondering what others have to say about these tires and air pressure.
>
> By the way, I also upgraded to a mid weight Progressive rear spring. (Did the fork springs over a year ago.) Great improvement! No more mushy feeling. Solid.
>
> Dave
>
tire upgrade
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:14 am
by Jeff Saline
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:54:44 -0000 "David Giuliani"
writes:
> Another question and a little clarification:
>
> When I "balanced" the wheel/tire on a pair of jack stands, it kept
> landing at the same point until I worked up to 2 oz. of 1/4 oz.
> weights lined up along one side between the spokes. I've never had
> to place that many before. Could it be do to the newly installed
> extra heavy duty tube? Has anyone experienced this?
>
>
> I'm wondering what sort of pressure you guys run in the TKC80. I'd
> like to keep an average for road, gravel, and dirt use but don't
> want to sacrifice road-ability for my 15% trail use. And I don't
> want to sacrifice wear either. My weight plus minor gear usually
> doesn't go over 220lbs.
>
> Dave
<><><><><><><><><>
<><><><><><><><><>
Dave,
I've had to add lots of weight when using a heavy or ultra heavy duty
tube too. I did find/feel a large piece of material inside a tube which
I think was from installing the valve at manufacture. It made the
balancing pretty whacky*. You could try rotating the tire 90 to 180
degrees to see if that makes any difference but I don't think it will.
My suggestion is to just ride it once it's balanced.
I run Kenda K270s at 32 psi front and 36 psi rear for most of my riding.
I normally don't change pressures for off pavement riding. I think the
TKC80s are a similar tread and might work about the same. I'm a bit
lighter than you fully loaded.
* Whacky is a technical term only for use by trained professionals and
often misused by other than trained professionals. : )
Best,
Jeff Saline
ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal
Airheads Beemer Club
www.airheads.org
The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota
75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT
.
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tire upgrade
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:33 am
by Jeff Khoury
In my professional life, some of my favorites are wonky and cattywompus.
-
Jeff Khoury
On Aug 14, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Jeff Saline wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:54:44 -0000 "David Giuliani"
> writes:
> > Another question and a little clarification:
> >
> > When I "balanced" the wheel/tire on a pair of jack stands, it kept
> > landing at the same point until I worked up to 2 oz. of 1/4 oz.
> > weights lined up along one side between the spokes. I've never had
> > to place that many before. Could it be do to the newly installed
> > extra heavy duty tube? Has anyone experienced this?
> >
> >
> > I'm wondering what sort of pressure you guys run in the TKC80. I'd
> > like to keep an average for road, gravel, and dirt use but don't
> > want to sacrifice road-ability for my 15% trail use. And I don't
> > want to sacrifice wear either. My weight plus minor gear usually
> > doesn't go over 220lbs.
> >
> > Dave
> <><><><><><><><><>
> <><><><><><><><><>
>
> Dave,
>
> I've had to add lots of weight when using a heavy or ultra heavy duty
> tube too. I did find/feel a large piece of material inside a tube
> which
> I think was from installing the valve at manufacture. It made the
> balancing pretty whacky*. You could try rotating the tire 90 to 180
> degrees to see if that makes any difference but I don't think it will.
> My suggestion is to just ride it once it's balanced.
>
> I run Kenda K270s at 32 psi front and 36 psi rear for most of my
> riding.
> I normally don't change pressures for off pavement riding. I think the
> TKC80s are a similar tread and might work about the same. I'm a bit
> lighter than you fully loaded.
>
> * Whacky is a technical term only for use by trained professionals and
> often misused by other than trained professionals. : )
>
> Best,
>
> Jeff Saline
> ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal
> Airheads Beemer Club
www.airheads.org
> The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota
> 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT
>
> .
> __________________________________________________________
> You can take it with you! Click here for a luxurious new motor home
> and travel in style!
>
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>
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tire upgrade
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:51 am
by Richard Decker
I'd agree with dismounting the tire and turning it half way around the rim.
it could be that you got the heavy part of the tube and the heavy part of
the tire in the same area.
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Jeff Saline wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:54:44 -0000 "David Giuliani"
> > writes:
> > Another question and a little clarification:
> >
> > When I "balanced" the wheel/tire on a pair of jack stands, it kept
> > landing at the same point until I worked up to 2 oz. of 1/4 oz.
> > weights lined up along one side between the spokes. I've never had
> > to place that many before. Could it be do to the newly installed
> > extra heavy duty tube? Has anyone experienced this?
> >
> >
> > I'm wondering what sort of pressure you guys run in the TKC80. I'd
> > like to keep an average for road, gravel, and dirt use but don't
> > want to sacrifice road-ability for my 15% trail use. And I don't
> > want to sacrifice wear either. My weight plus minor gear usually
> > doesn't go over 220lbs.
> >
> > Dave
> <><><><><><><><><>
> <><><><><><><><><>
>
> Dave,
>
> I've had to add lots of weight when using a heavy or ultra heavy duty
> tube too. I did find/feel a large piece of material inside a tube which
> I think was from installing the valve at manufacture. It made the
> balancing pretty whacky*. You could try rotating the tire 90 to 180
> degrees to see if that makes any difference but I don't think it will.
> My suggestion is to just ride it once it's balanced.
>
> I run Kenda K270s at 32 psi front and 36 psi rear for most of my riding.
> I normally don't change pressures for off pavement riding. I think the
> TKC80s are a similar tread and might work about the same. I'm a bit
> lighter than you fully loaded.
>
> * Whacky is a technical term only for use by trained professionals and
> often misused by other than trained professionals. : )
>
> Best,
>
> Jeff Saline
> ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal
> Airheads Beemer Club
www.airheads.org
> The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota
> 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT
>
> .
> __________________________________________________________
> You can take it with you! Click here for a luxurious new motor home and
> travel in style!
>
>
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>
>
>
--
-
Rich Decker
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty
is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
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tire upgrade
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:11 am
by Rick McCauley
There are a lot of posts about what tire to use. Am I the only one that uses the OEM tires?
The rear costs $55.00 delivered to my door, and the front costs $45.00. I ride 4,500 miles a year on average. I get a new rear tire every Spring, and a new front one every other. I used to spend almost twice that every year for the rear tire on my V65 Sabre. I was just wondering why everyone seems to want a different tire? I understand if you are going mudding, or are using the KLR as a motocrosser (Yikes), but for the type of riding done on a KLR, the stock tires seem great.
Rick
A17
--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Jeff Khoury wrote:
From: Jeff Khoury
Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: tire upgrade
To: "Jeff Saline"
Cc: "foolstools@..." , "
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 9:30 AM
In my professional life, some of my favorites are wonky and cattywompus.
-
Jeff Khoury
On Aug 14, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Jeff Saline wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:54:44 -0000 "David Giuliani"
> writes:
> > Another question and a little clarification:
> >
> > When I "balanced" the wheel/tire on a pair of jack stands, it kept
> > landing at the same point until I worked up to 2 oz. of 1/4 oz.
> > weights lined up along one side between the spokes. I've never had
> > to place that many before. Could it be do to the newly installed
> > extra heavy duty tube? Has anyone experienced this?
> >
> >
> > I'm wondering what sort of pressure you guys run in the TKC80. I'd
> > like to keep an average for road, gravel, and dirt use but don't
> > want to sacrifice road-ability for my 15% trail use. And I don't
> > want to sacrifice wear either. My weight plus minor gear usually
> > doesn't go over 220lbs.
> >
> > Dave
> <><><><><><> <><><>
> <><><><><><> <><><>
>
> Dave,
>
> I've had to add lots of weight when using a heavy or ultra heavy duty
> tube too. I did find/feel a large piece of material inside a tube
> which
> I think was from installing the valve at manufacture. It made the
> balancing pretty whacky*. You could try rotating the tire 90 to 180
> degrees to see if that makes any difference but I don't think it will.
> My suggestion is to just ride it once it's balanced.
>
> I run Kenda K270s at 32 psi front and 36 psi rear for most of my
> riding.
> I normally don't change pressures for off pavement riding. I think the
> TKC80s are a similar tread and might work about the same. I'm a bit
> lighter than you fully loaded.
>
> * Whacky is a technical term only for use by trained professionals and
> often misused by other than trained professionals. : )
>
> Best,
>
> Jeff Saline
> ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal
> Airheads Beemer Club
www.airheads. org
> The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota
> 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT
>
> .
> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> You can take it with you! Click here for a luxurious new motor home
> and travel in style!
>
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tire upgrade
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:26 am
by John Biccum
I suggest that you don't try to find a happy medium between street and
off-road tire pressures. That is what the factory is striving for with
their 27F and 27R. Do this and you will get both low mileage out of the
tires and will have marginal performance off-road.
I run 32F and 36R on TKC80s on the street with great results. Then I go
down to 20F and 22R offroad. I carry a bicycle tire pump in the fender bag
to get the pressure back up to street pressures when I rejoin the pavement.
Note that the center tread on the rear TKC80 wears very rapidly at first,
don't be alarmed. If you extrapolate from this initial wear you might think
the rear tire will be worn out in 1500 miles. Not so, expect 5K or so out
of a rear and maybe 8K from a front.
From:
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of David Giuliani
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 6:55 AM
To:
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: tire upgrade
Another question and a little clarification:
When I "balanced" the wheel/tire on a pair of jack stands, it kept landing
at the same point until I worked up to 2 oz. of 1/4 oz. weights lined up
along one side between the spokes. I've never had to place that many before.
Could it be do to the newly installed extra heavy duty tube? Has anyone
experienced this?
I'm wondering what sort of pressure you guys run in the TKC80. I'd like to
keep an average for road, gravel, and dirt use but don't want to sacrifice
road-ability for my 15% trail use. And I don't want to sacrifice wear
either. My weight plus minor gear usually doesn't go over 220lbs.
Dave
--- In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com ,
"David Giuliani" wrote:
>
> I've gone through four IRC rear tires (two fronts)and none of the rear
lasted more than 3000 miles, in fact that was pushing it. This time I
splurged and bought front and rear TKC80. I used to keep the IRC at 26/28
lbs. no matter the road surface. The max pressure shown on the side wall for
the TKC80 is 40psi. That seemed a little excessive so I tried 34/36 this
morning. They felt great on the road, quicker through turns, but got a
little squirrely on the dirt (dry powdery red clay this time of year)&
gravel. I'm wondering what others have to say about these tires and air
pressure.
>
> By the way, I also upgraded to a mid weight Progressive rear spring. (Did
the fork springs over a year ago.) Great improvement! No more mushy feeling.
Solid.
>
> Dave
>
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tire upgrade
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:28 am
by Craig Kahler
A big reason I would consider an other than stock rear tire is mileage. If there is a tire available which will provide substantially higher mileage than stock, let me know about it. I would be willing to pay up to triple the cost of a stock tire, if I only had to change it half as often.
Craig Kahler
--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Rick McCauley wrote:
From: Rick McCauley
Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: tire upgrade
To:
dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 PM
There are a lot of posts about what tire to use. Am I the only one that uses the OEM tires?
The rear costs $55.00 delivered to my door, and the front costs $45.00. I ride 4,500 miles a year on average. I get a new rear tire every Spring, and a new front one every other. I used to spend almost twice that every year for the rear tire on my V65 Sabre. I was just wondering why everyone seems to want a different tire? I understand if you are going mudding, or are using the KLR as a motocrosser (Yikes), but for the type of riding done on a KLR, the stock tires seem great.
Rick
A17
--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Jeff Khoury wrote:
From: Jeff Khoury
Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: tire upgrade
To: "Jeff Saline"
Cc: "foolstools@gmail. com" , "DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com"
Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 9:30 AM
In my professional life, some of my favorites are wonky and cattywompus.
-
Jeff Khoury
On Aug 14, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Jeff Saline wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:54:44 -0000 "David Giuliani"
> writes:
> > Another question and a little clarification:
> >
> > When I "balanced" the wheel/tire on a pair of jack stands, it kept
> > landing at the same point until I worked up to 2 oz. of 1/4 oz.
> > weights lined up along one side between the spokes. I've never had
> > to place that many before. Could it be do to the newly installed
> > extra heavy duty tube? Has anyone experienced this?
> >
> >
> > I'm wondering what sort of pressure you guys run in the TKC80. I'd
> > like to keep an average for road, gravel, and dirt use but don't
> > want to sacrifice road-ability for my 15% trail use. And I don't
> > want to sacrifice wear either. My weight plus minor gear usually
> > doesn't go over 220lbs.
> >
> > Dave
> <><><><><><> <><><>
> <><><><><><> <><><>
>
> Dave,
>
> I've had to add lots of weight when using a heavy or ultra heavy duty
> tube too. I did find/feel a large piece of material inside a tube
> which
> I think was from installing the valve at manufacture. It made the
> balancing pretty whacky*. You could try rotating the tire 90 to 180
> degrees to see if that makes any difference but I don't think it will.
> My suggestion is to just ride it once it's balanced.
>
> I run Kenda K270s at 32 psi front and 36 psi rear for most of my
> riding.
> I normally don't change pressures for off pavement riding. I think the
> TKC80s are a similar tread and might work about the same. I'm a bit
> lighter than you fully loaded.
>
> * Whacky is a technical term only for use by trained professionals and
> often misused by other than trained professionals. : )
>
> Best,
>
> Jeff Saline
> ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal
> Airheads Beemer Club
www.airheads. org
> The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota
> 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT
>
> .
> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> You can take it with you! Click here for a luxurious new motor home
> and travel in style!
>
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>
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