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Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:32 am**

I was saddened to see the damage and the suffering tornadoes brought to the USA. I understand the destructive force of these twisters, but is there no way to save lives? Building a concrete bunker with steel doors underground? It does not have to be big or comfy, as the hiding should be for no more than half an hour. I am not criticizing, just wondering aloud, to enlighten my vast ignorance on this subject. Jacostarica. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:48 am**

On Feb 8, 2008, at 5:45 AM, Jacobus De Bruyn wrote:

> I understand the > destructive force of these twisters, but is there no > way to save lives?

I grew up just on the boarder of what's called Tornado Alley (a roughly rectangular region of Nebraska, Kansas, Arkansas and Texas). Many homes do have basements or storm shelters, but not all do. In some places the groundwater is too close to the surface, making any basements prone to flooding. Also, despite the damage and death they can bring, it's pretty rare to actually get hit by one so many folks don't feel the need to spend the money to build a shelter. And, of course, it's impossible to build a shelter in mobile homes. Lastly, tornadoes are very difficult to predict--both when they may form and what path they may take. This means that you end up spending many hours in your shelter (if you have one) based on the chance that one may appear. Go through the drill enough times without a tornado actually striking nearby and one tends to get blas about it. -- Blake Sobiloff http://www.sobiloff.com/> San Jose, CA (USA)

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:29 am**

I lived smack dab in the middle of Tornado Alley. 10 miles from home. http://www.crh.noaa.gov/ict/udall/udall.php 50 miles from home. http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/ I don't miss living in Tornado Alley. Fred www.arrowheadmotorsports.com

----- Original Message ----- From: Blake Sobiloff To: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR tornadoes On Feb 8, 2008, at 5:45 AM, Jacobus De Bruyn wrote: > I understand the > destructive force of these twisters, but is there no > way to save lives? I grew up just on the boarder of what's called Tornado Alley (a roughly rectangular region of Nebraska, Kansas, Arkansas and Texas). Many homes do have basements or storm shelters, but not all do. In some places the groundwater is too close to the surface, making any basements prone to flooding. Also, despite the damage and death they can bring, it's pretty rare to actually get hit by one so many folks don't feel the need to spend the money to build a shelter. And, of course, it's impossible to build a shelter in mobile homes. Lastly, tornadoes are very difficult to predict--both when they may form and what path they may take. This means that you end up spending many hours in your shelter (if you have one) based on the chance that one may appear. Go through the drill enough times without a tornado actually striking nearby and one tends to get blas about it. -- Blake Sobiloff http://www.sobiloff.com/> San Jose, CA (USA) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:26 pm**

Here in TX I have a plan to use the built in cities tornado shelter, AKA, the sewer which has a manhole right down the street, and I have been inside it and it can hold the family! Now I forget where I put the 5' long pick type tool I used to remove the cover. Jacobus De Bruyn wrote:

> > I was saddened to see the damage and the suffering > tornadoes brought to the USA. I understand the > destructive force of these twisters, but is there no > way to save lives? Building a concrete bunker with > steel doors underground? It does not have to be big > or comfy, as the hiding should be for no more than > half an hour. I am not criticizing, just wondering > aloud, to enlighten my vast ignorance on this subject. > Jacostarica. > > __________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ> > >

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:06 pm**

Jim, are yu gonna have SCUBA gear ready for the family when the rain runoff fills that sewer? A sewer may not be a good place to be when it's raining. Good Luck.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Douglas" To: Cc: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR tornadoes > Here in TX I have a plan to use the built in cities tornado shelter, > AKA, the sewer which > has a manhole right down the street, and I have been inside > it and it can hold the family! Now I forget where I put the > 5' long pick type tool I used to remove the cover. > > > > Jacobus De Bruyn wrote: >> >> I was saddened to see the damage and the suffering >> tornadoes brought to the USA. I understand the >> destructive force of these twisters, but is there no >> way to save lives? Building a concrete bunker with >> steel doors underground? It does not have to be big >> or comfy, as the hiding should be for no more than >> half an hour. I am not criticizing, just wondering >> aloud, to enlighten my vast ignorance on this subject. >> Jacostarica. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> Be a better friend, newshound, and >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ> >> >> > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1266 - Release Date: 2/8/2008 > 10:06 AM > >

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:32 pm**

Complacency. I remember my time in Arkansas and having a guest from out-of-state. During a spring storm, my company ask what was the little emblem in the top corner of the television screen. Without looking up from what I was doing, I said the small "twister" graphic meant we were under a tornado watch. They got pretty excited, I did not. I had seen and heard the warnings dozens of times before. Violent storms are such a park of life in that region, you can never tell which is the one to be worried about. Only once did feel a nearby tornado. Heard it in the distance and felt it in my ears, when the pressure dropped enough to be physically feel. Took the roof of the local school in Wynne, Arkansas many years ago. All of us have made our compromise and adopted acceptable risks that are indigenous to our locality. Moving to Idaho, I traded tornados for grizzly bears and forest fires. Am I still complacent? My address changed, but I did not. Keith Idaho KLR --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jacobus De Bruyn wrote:

> > I was saddened to see the damage and the suffering > tornadoes brought to the USA. I understand the > destructive force of these twisters, but is there no > way to save lives? Building a concrete bunker with > steel doors underground? It does not have to be big > or comfy, as the hiding should be for no more than > half an hour. I am not criticizing, just wondering > aloud, to enlighten my vast ignorance on this subject. > Jacostarica. > > >

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Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:36 pm**

----- Original Message ---- All of us have made our compromise and adopted acceptable risks that are indigenous to our locality. Moving to Idaho, I traded tornados for grizzly bears and forest fires. Am I still complacent? My address changed, but I did not. -------------- Well said! Where we live, who we allow ourselves to love, career choices, our chosen mode of transportation and many others. Each one has their own risks and rewards. Usually, it is not as easy as letting up a cost/benefit ratio and choosing the best one. If we are honest with ourselves we must admit that such choices are usually made by the heart and intuition, not by analysis. Otherwise, we are not living our life to the fullest. We are not doing what we want to do or what we are meant to do, we are doing what we "should" do. When that happens to us, we are not living our lives, our lives are living us. "That - fer shur - aint no fun!" Don't ask me how I know! * Grin * Lash [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Sat Feb 09, 2008 1:41 pm**

Hi Guys, I live in Wichita, KS in the heart of tornado alley. Most houses here have basements (not all) and it's important to remember that the area is sparely populated. We have an area under the stairs that is totally enclosed where we can go when the sirens go off. In the past 7 years the sirens have only sounded once, and I have only seen one up close. Don't need to see any more. It's a roll of the dice, but no different to the earthquakes or fires in California, the Hurricanes in Florida and Louisiana. Avalanche in Colorado and so on...most of us can choose where we want to live, and I choose here. Lots of Farm roads and little towns to explore on my KLR. http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/ Check out this picture of Greensburg after the last tornado. Charles Harding Crew Room Solutions 18501 South West Prairie Creek Road Rose Hill, KS 67133 USA 1 316 776 9576 tel 1 316 776 9586 fax 1 316 734 7910 cell Crewroom@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:26 am**

Crew Room Solutions wrote:

> > Hi Guys, > I live in Wichita, KS in the heart of tornado alley. Most houses here > have basements (not all) and it's important to remember that the area > is sparely populated. We have an area under the stairs that is totally > enclosed where we can go when the sirens go off. In the past 7 years > the sirens have only sounded once, and I have only seen one up close. > Don't need to see any more. It's a roll of the dice, but no different > to the earthquakes or fires in California, the Hurricanes in Florida > and Louisiana. Avalanche in Colorado and so on...most of us can choose > where we want to live, and I choose here. Lots of Farm roads and > little towns to explore on my KLR. > http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/ > http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/> > > Check out this picture of Greensburg after the last tornado. > > > > Charles Harding > Crew Room Solutions > 18501 South West Prairie Creek Road > Rose Hill, KS 67133 USA > 1 316 776 9576 tel > 1 316 776 9586 fax > 1 316 734 7910 cell > Crewroom@... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

Alas, every natural disaster is different than the earthquake as there are some type of warning before hand!

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:36 am**

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "albatrossklr" wrote:

> > Arrange a trip down the Amazon from Iquitos and a stay in a village. >

Zack, If you make it to Iquitos, look for a older british dude named Wally. Tell him "eighth of a ton" sent you and I guarantee you'll have a good time... da Vermonster

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