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I filled up my KLR at lunch today. But it wasn't at the first station that I had picked out. My original destination had some hot food that I could have taken back to work, but when I got there, a gas tanker was there filling up the tanks. I remembered the advice from my dad long ago. He said that the tankers stirred the sludge and water at the bottom and you would surely pump that into your tank, so don't fill up when the tanks are being filled. So I left and went to another station. Alas, no hot food. M&M's and pretzels for lunch. ) Anyway, it got me thinking about this situation. This sounds like a story that at one time was very plausible. I'm wondering if it's still valid. With the tank inspections, better gas delivered to the stations, filters on the pumps, etc, is this still necessary? Instead of calling Mythbusters, I thought I would ask you all. Curious, Don+ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Michael Nelson wrote:

> > I don't *know* if it's still true, but I bet it is. >

I put my winter thermostats in all my vehicles by Thanksgiving. ED

That's funny, I drove by an auto shop today that advertised on a sign "Winterize your car! Ask us how!". I can't imagine what they do. Possibly a different viscosity oil? Probably just charge gullible folks for "winter air" in their tires. ) Don+ _____ From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed Dobson Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 3:33 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: When is filling up not good for your KLR? --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, Michael Nelson wrote:

> > I don't *know* if it's still true, but I bet it is. >

I put my winter thermostats in all my vehicles by Thanksgiving. ED [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 03:40:53PM -0600, Don Pendergraft wrote:

> That's funny, I drove by an auto shop today that advertised on a sign > "Winterize your car! Ask us how!". I can't imagine what they do. Possibly a > different viscosity oil? Probably just charge gullible folks for "winter > air" in their tires. )

I can think of several things that would be good to do, of course I don't know if they do it. flush & refill cooling system, inspect hoses and tstat replace wiper blades antifreeze / cleaner in windshield washer reservoir clean & grease battery terminals and starter connections 5W40 oil & filter chassis lube tire pressure adjustment That's all that comes to mind right now, but I live where we don't even really *have* winter. Michael -- "It ain't those parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand." -- Mark Twain San Francisco, CA

On Dec 27, 2007, at 12:12 PM, Don Pendergraft wrote:

> I remembered the advice from my dad long ago. He said that the > tankers stirred the sludge and water at the bottom and you would > surely pump > that into your tank, so don't fill up when the tanks are being filled.

It's true that the tankers will stir up the dirt and the water that exists in the bottom of every tank. Most places have filters at each pump that should catch the dirt (assuming they're properly installed, regularly maintained, etc.), but I don't know of any system for catching the water. I think your Pop's advice is probably still valid. -- Blake Sobiloff http://www.sobiloff.com/> San Jose, CA (USA)

Posted by: "Don Pendergraft" dpendergraft@... don_pendergraft Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:12 pm (PST) I filled up my KLR at lunch today. But it wasn't at the first station that I had picked out. My original destination had some hot food that I could have taken back to work, but when I got there, a gas tanker was there filling up the tanks. I remembered the advice from my dad long ago. He said that the tankers stirred the sludge and water at the bottom and you would surely pump that into your tank, so don't fill up when the tanks are being filled. So I left and went to another station. Alas, no hot food. M&M's and pretzels for lunch. ) Anyway, it got me thinking about this situation. This sounds like a story that at one time was very plausible. I'm wondering if it's still valid. With the tank inspections, better gas delivered to the stations, filters on the pumps, etc, is this still necessary? Instead of calling Mythbusters, I thought I would ask you all. Curious, Don+ I can assure you that it is good advice.I have delivered more millions of gallons than I could count,cleaned more tanks than I wanted to and have had to haul loads back to the refinery because it was water /tank bottom contaminated/ they have stopped using water in the bottom of the tanks but still use it as a plug between products in the pipeline all the lids for the tanks are supposed to be water proof but I have seen too many that were not and stayed that way for weeks/months before they were fixed. if I had to get gas I would only get a gallon of premium and move onto next station or take a long lunch and give the tank a chance to settle again.the pickup tube is 3 to 4 inches off the bottom of the tank so it wouldn't have to set long maybe 30 minutes to be safe. Hope everyone has a Happy New Year with plenty of miles of smiles Jim Gregory south Arkansas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Jim, Why was water used in the bottom of station gas tanks? Was it to drop out solid impurities like in a parts washer? Regards, Eck --- Jim Gregory wrote:

> > Posted by: "Don Pendergraft" dpendergraft@... > don_pendergraft > Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:12 pm (PST) > I filled up my KLR at lunch today. But it wasn't at > the first station that I > had picked out. My original destination had some hot > food that I could have > taken back to work, but when I got there, a gas > tanker was there filling up > the tanks. I remembered the advice from my dad long > ago. He said that the > tankers stirred the sludge and water at the bottom > and you would surely pump > that into your tank, so don't fill up when the tanks > are being filled. So I > left and went to another station. Alas, no hot food. > M&M's and pretzels for > lunch. ) Anyway, it got me thinking about this > situation. This sounds like > a story that at one time was very plausible. I'm > wondering if it's still > valid. With the tank inspections, better gas > delivered to the stations, > filters on the pumps, etc, is this still necessary? > Instead of calling > Mythbusters, I thought I would ask you all. > > Curious, > Don+ > > > > > > > > I can assure you that it is good advice.I have > delivered more millions of gallons than I could > count,cleaned more tanks than I wanted to and have > had to haul loads back to the refinery because it > was water /tank bottom contaminated/ they have > stopped using water in the bottom of the tanks but > still use it as a plug between products in the > pipeline > > all the lids for the tanks are supposed to be water > proof but I have seen too many that were not and > stayed that way for weeks/months before they were > fixed. > if I had to get gas I would only get a gallon of > premium and move onto next station or take a long > lunch and give the tank a chance to settle again.the > pickup tube is 3 to 4 inches off the bottom of the > tank so it wouldn't have to set long maybe 30 > minutes to be safe. > > Hope everyone has a Happy New Year with plenty of > miles of smiles > > > Jim Gregory > > south Arkansas > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > >

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Thank you for all of the replies. I'm glad I didn't fill up there. It's nice to get all of the comments from folks and even the opinion of a real expert on this! Great stuff. I love this list... Don+ _____ From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Gregory Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 7:39 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re:When is filling up not good for your KLR? Posted by: "Don Pendergraft" dpendergraft@ gmail.com don_pendergraft Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:12 pm (PST) I filled up my KLR at lunch today. But it wasn't at the first station that I had picked out. My original destination had some hot food that I could have taken back to work, but when I got there, a gas tanker was there filling up the tanks. I remembered the advice from my dad long ago. He said that the tankers stirred the sludge and water at the bottom and you would surely pump that into your tank, so don't fill up when the tanks are being filled. So I left and went to another station. Alas, no hot food. M&M's and pretzels for lunch. ) Anyway, it got me thinking about this situation. This sounds like a story that at one time was very plausible. I'm wondering if it's still valid. With the tank inspections, better gas delivered to the stations, filters on the pumps, etc, is this still necessary? Instead of calling Mythbusters, I thought I would ask you all. Curious, Don+ I can assure you that it is good advice.I have delivered more millions of gallons than I could count,cleaned more tanks than I wanted to and have had to haul loads back to the refinery because it was water /tank bottom contaminated/ they have stopped using water in the bottom of the tanks but still use it as a plug between products in the pipeline all the lids for the tanks are supposed to be water proof but I have seen too many that were not and stayed that way for weeks/months before they were fixed. if I had to get gas I would only get a gallon of premium and move onto next station or take a long lunch and give the tank a chance to settle again.the pickup tube is 3 to 4 inches off the bottom of the tank so it wouldn't have to set long maybe 30 minutes to be safe. Hope everyone has a Happy New Year with plenty of miles of smiles Jim Gregory south Arkansas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Could be. I recently filled my Concourse under similar conditions and I thought I would try Premium just for grins. Immediately it started running rough. I got some Seafoam and it cleared up after a while. Regular from here on out. It is probably fresher gas anyway. The reason I tried Premium is a guy told me it has less ethanol which seems to give bikes and boat motors problems. Criswell

On Dec 27, 2007, at 2:12 PM, Don Pendergraft wrote: > I filled up my KLR at lunch today. But it wasn't at the first > station that I > had picked out. My original destination had some hot food that I > could have > taken back to work, but when I got there, a gas tanker was there > filling up > the tanks. I remembered the advice from my dad long ago. He said > that the > tankers stirred the sludge and water at the bottom and you would > surely pump > that into your tank, so don't fill up when the tanks are being > filled. So I > left and went to another station. Alas, no hot food. M&M's and > pretzels for > lunch. ) Anyway, it got me thinking about this situation. This > sounds like > a story that at one time was very plausible. I'm wondering if it's > still > valid. With the tank inspections, better gas delivered to the > stations, > filters on the pumps, etc, is this still necessary? Instead of calling > Mythbusters, I thought I would ask you all. > > Curious, > Don+ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]