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On Dec 9, 2007, at 6:55 AM, wrote: > > > Before you take this "news story" as gospel, do some research on > the publisher, The Heartland Institute. Then look into the > credentials of the so-called experts who comprise the membership of > the ICSC. > > Anyone who thinks that the "Global Warming? What Global Warming?" > movement isn't being coordinated by big-business interests, check > your sources. > > JT > > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > From: russell@... > Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 21:25:21 -0800 > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, > and energy > > Anybody who thinks global warming isn't 90% driven by fascist > politics, and > > 10% science, keep reading. > > U.N. Blackballs International Scientists from Climate Change > > Conference > > Voice of dissent excluded from participation in Bali > > Written By: Tom Swiss > > Published In: News Releases > > Publication Date: December 4, 2007 > > Publisher: The Heartland Institute > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > > (CHICAGO, Illinois - December 5, 2007) -- The United Nations has > rejected > > all attempts by a group of dissenting scientists seeking to present > > information at the climate change conference taking place in Bali, > > Indonesia. > > The International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC) has been denied the > > opportunity to present at panel discussions, side events, and > exhibits; its > > members were denied press credentials. The group consists of > distinguished > > scientists from Africa, Australia, India, New Zealand, the United > Kingdom, > > and the United States. > > The scientists, citing pivotal evidence on climate change published in > > peer-reviewed journals, have expressed their opposition to the UN's > alarmist > > theory of anthropogenic global warming. As the debate on man-made > global > > warming has been heating up, the UN has tried to freeze out the > scientists > > and new evidence, summarily dismissing them with the claim "the > science is > > settled." > > James M. Taylor, senior fellow for The Heartland Institute > explained, "It is > > not surprising the UN has completely rejected dissenting voices. > They have > > been doing this for years. The censorship of scientists is > necessary to > > promote their political agenda. After the science reversed on the > alarmist > > crowd, they claimed 'the debate is over' to serve their wealth > > redistribution agenda." > > Taylor continued, "For example, ICSC scientist Dr. Vincent Gray > recently > > published Unsound Science by the IPCC, which proves the main claims > by the > > Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are scientifically > unsound. Dr. > > Gray is an expert reviewer for the IPCC and has submitted more than > 1,800 > > comments on IPCC reports. He is an expert on the IPCC methodology and > > published Spinning the Climate. > > "Dr. Gray is the last person the politicized UN wants speaking," > Taylor > > noted. "He single-handedly debunks the entire alarmist theory. And > there are > > more than 600 Dr. Grays trying to be the voice of reason and > science. All > > are being censored." > > Tayor said, "The ICSC scientists don't agree with the pre- > determined 'Bali > > Mandate,' so instead of discussion and debate, we get censorship. > Until the > > UN rejects the politicization of climate change, their reports, > protocols, > > and mandates aren't worth reading--much less ratifying." > > The ICSC scientists will be available for advice and counsel in > Bali, but > > they expect scientists to be ignored at the Bali conference. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On > > Behalf Of fasteddiecopeman > > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 10:56 AM > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR metaphysics, the future, oil, and > energy > > Jean Luc, > > At risk of being controversial: > > Al Gore is one of the biggest SNAKE OIL salesmen around. Go to You > Tube > > and look for the > > BBC documentary about him, 75 minutes long. I believe it's called "An > > Inconvenient Lie" or > > something close, and debunks his whole Oscar winning 'mockumentary'. > > Are you aware of WHY and HOW Greenland, a place covered in ice and > snow, > > got its name, > > MANY years ago? Global warming is cyclical, and caused by the sun. > That's > > NOT to say that > > we shouldn't husband our resources, and stop polluting, but to suggest > > that man is > > directly causing all these weather calamities.... > > Ed > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > __________________________________________________________ > Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate. > Join in. > www.windowslive.com/smile?ocid=TXT_TAGL ... lhmtagline > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> JT as one who has traveled a bit, I have been to > places where they > have glaciers (New Zealand, Alaska, Switzerland and > Chili). Yes the > glaciers are retreating in all those places but have > been doing so > for the last couple 100 years. Whether man is the > cause .... don't > know .... or if this is just one of the earth's > natural cycles or a > sun cycle???? I (and Al Gore) am not qualified to > say. Pouring of all > this concrete (which radiates heat) or big Suburbans > creating warmth > (and smog) or cows creating methane gas by farting > might affect the > balance. Don't know. But I do know there were once > tropical plants in > what is now Antarctica, and west Texas around > Guadalupe National Park > is one of the best places in the world to get > fossils from an ancient > sea bed that was once there. Or the Great Lakes were > created by > glaciers. The earth is constantly changing and > always has. O'Bama or > Hillary or Al won't have much effect on it in my > opinion. I go to > Corpus Christi quite often to monitor sea level. So > far, so good. I > will keep you posted. > > Criswell > On Dec 9, 2007, at 6:55 AM, > wrote: > > > > > > > Before you take this "news story" as gospel, do > some research on > > the publisher, The Heartland Institute. Then look > into the > > credentials of the so-called experts who comprise > the membership of > > the ICSC. > > > > Anyone who thinks that the "Global Warming? What > Global Warming?" > > movement isn't being coordinated by big-business > interests, check > > your sources. > > > > JT > > > > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > From: russell@... > > Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 21:25:21 -0800 > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR metaphysics, > the future, oil, > > and energy > > > > Anybody who thinks global warming isn't 90% driven > by fascist > > politics, and > > > > 10% science, keep reading. > > > > U.N. Blackballs International Scientists from > Climate Change > > > > Conference > > > > Voice of dissent excluded from participation in > Bali > > > > Written By: Tom Swiss > > > > Published In: News Releases > > > > Publication Date: December 4, 2007 > > > > Publisher: The Heartland Institute > > > > >

> > > > ---- > > > > (CHICAGO, Illinois - December 5, 2007) -- The > United Nations has > > rejected > > > > all attempts by a group of dissenting scientists > seeking to present > > > > information at the climate change conference > taking place in Bali, > > > > Indonesia. > > > > The International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC) > has been denied the > > > > opportunity to present at panel discussions, side > events, and > > exhibits; its > > > > members were denied press credentials. The group > consists of > > distinguished > > > > scientists from Africa, Australia, India, New > Zealand, the United > > Kingdom, > > > > and the United States. > > > > The scientists, citing pivotal evidence on climate > change published in > > > > peer-reviewed journals, have expressed their > opposition to the UN's > > alarmist > > > > theory of anthropogenic global warming. As the > debate on man-made > > global > > > > warming has been heating up, the UN has tried to > freeze out the > > scientists > > > > and new evidence, summarily dismissing them with > the claim "the > > science is > > > > settled." > > > > James M. Taylor, senior fellow for The Heartland > Institute > > explained, "It is > > > > not surprising the UN has completely rejected > dissenting voices. > > They have > > > > been doing this for years. The censorship of > scientists is > > necessary to > > > > promote their political agenda. After the science > reversed on the > > alarmist > > > > crowd, they claimed 'the debate is over' to serve > their wealth > > > > redistribution agenda." > > > > Taylor continued, "For example, ICSC scientist Dr. > Vincent Gray > > recently > > > > published Unsound Science by the IPCC, which > proves the main claims > > by the > > > > Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are > scientifically > > unsound. Dr. > > > > Gray is an expert reviewer for the IPCC and has > submitted more than > > 1,800 > > > > comments on IPCC reports. He is an expert on the > IPCC methodology and > > > > published Spinning the Climate. > > > > "Dr. Gray is the last person the politicized UN > wants speaking," > > Taylor > > > > noted. "He single-handedly debunks the entire > alarmist theory. And > > there are > > > > more than 600 Dr. Grays trying to be the voice of > reason and > > science. All > > > > are being censored." > > > > Tayor said, "The ICSC scientists don't agree with > the pre- > > determined 'Bali > > > > Mandate,' so instead of discussion and debate, we > get censorship. > > Until the >

On Dec 9, 2007, at 10:40 AM, Luc Legrain wrote: > Boy, What a relief to hear that sea level in Corpus > Christi remains unchanged ...It seems to be dropping > in the Caymans,where I've been roasting for a while, > the cause of this water level drop is blamed on the > ladies bathing suits ( the fabrics suck up water like > a sponge !! ) I therefore propose to BAN ( yes, I > know,this is quite drastic,but the health of the > planet is at stakes..) bathing suits for women ... Who > is with me on this crusade ?? > --- Ronald Criswell wrote: > >> JT as one who has traveled a bit, I have been to >> places where they >> have glaciers (New Zealand, Alaska, Switzerland and >> Chili). Yes the >> glaciers are retreating in all those places but have >> been doing so >> for the last couple 100 years. Whether man is the >> cause .... don't >> know .... or if this is just one of the earth's >> natural cycles or a >> sun cycle???? I (and Al Gore) am not qualified to >> say. Pouring of all >> this concrete (which radiates heat) or big Suburbans >> creating warmth >> (and smog) or cows creating methane gas by farting >> might affect the >> balance. Don't know. But I do know there were once >> tropical plants in >> what is now Antarctica, and west Texas around >> Guadalupe National Park >> is one of the best places in the world to get >> fossils from an ancient >> sea bed that was once there. Or the Great Lakes were >> created by >> glaciers. The earth is constantly changing and >> always has. O'Bama or >> Hillary or Al won't have much effect on it in my >> opinion. I go to >> Corpus Christi quite often to monitor sea level. So >> far, so good. I >> will keep you posted. >> >> Criswell >> On Dec 9, 2007, at 6:55 AM, >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Before you take this "news story" as gospel, do >> some research on >>> the publisher, The Heartland Institute. Then look >> into the >>> credentials of the so-called experts who comprise >> the membership of >>> the ICSC. >>> >>> Anyone who thinks that the "Global Warming? What >> Global Warming?" >>> movement isn't being coordinated by big-business >> interests, check >>> your sources. >>> >>> JT >>> >>> To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >>> From: russell@... >>> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 21:25:21 -0800 >>> Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR metaphysics, >> the future, oil, >>> and energy >>> >>> Anybody who thinks global warming isn't 90% driven >> by fascist >>> politics, and >>> >>> 10% science, keep reading. >>> >>> U.N. Blackballs International Scientists from >> Climate Change >>> >>> Conference >>> >>> Voice of dissent excluded from participation in >> Bali >>> >>> Written By: Tom Swiss >>> >>> Published In: News Releases >>> >>> Publication Date: December 4, 2007 >>> >>> Publisher: The Heartland Institute >>> >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> ---- >>> >>> (CHICAGO, Illinois - December 5, 2007) -- The >> United Nations has >>> rejected >>> >>> all attempts by a group of dissenting scientists >> seeking to present >>> >>> information at the climate change conference >> taking place in Bali, >>> >>> Indonesia. >>> >>> The International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC) >> has been denied the >>> >>> opportunity to present at panel discussions, side >> events, and >>> exhibits; its >>> >>> members were denied press credentials. The group >> consists of >>> distinguished >>> >>> scientists from Africa, Australia, India, New >> Zealand, the United >>> Kingdom, >>> >>> and the United States. >>> >>> The scientists, citing pivotal evidence on climate >> change published in >>> >>> peer-reviewed journals, have expressed their >> opposition to the UN's >>> alarmist >>> >>> theory of anthropogenic global warming. As the >> debate on man-made >>> global >>> >>> warming has been heating up, the UN has tried to >> freeze out the >>> scientists >>> >>> and new evidence, summarily dismissing them with >> the claim "the >>> science is >>> >>> settled." >>> >>> James M. Taylor, senior fellow for The Heartland >> Institute >>> explained, "It is >>> >>> not surprising the UN has completely rejected >> dissenting voices. >>> They have >>> >>> been doing this for years. The censorship of >> scientists is >>> necessary to >>> >>> promote their political agenda. After the science >> reversed on the >>> alarmist >>> >>> crowd, they claimed 'the debate is over' to serve >> their wealth >>> >>> redistribution agenda." >>> >>> Taylor continued, "For example, ICSC scientist Dr. >> Vincent Gray >>> recently >>> >>> published Unsound Science by the IPCC, which >> proves the main claims >>> by the >>> >>> Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are >> scientifically >>> unsound. Dr. >>> >>> Gray is an expert reviewer for the IPCC and has >> submitted more than >>> 1,800 >>> >>> comments on IPCC reports. He is an expert on the >> IPCC methodology and >>> >>> published Spinning the Climate. >>> >>> "Dr. Gray is the last person the politicized UN >> wants speaking," >>> Taylor >>> >>> noted. "He single-handedly debunks the entire >> alarmist theory. And >>> there are >>> >>> more than 600 Dr. Grays trying to be the voice of >> reason and >>> science. All >>> >>> are being censored." >>> >>> Tayor said, "The ICSC scientists don't agree with >> the pre- >>> determined 'Bali >>> >>> Mandate,' so instead of discussion and debate, we >> get censorship. >>> Until the >> > === message truncated === > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/ > newsearch/category.php?category=shopping