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First of all thanks to all who responded with their advice. I was given a 96' with 19K on it. It would only idle with the choke on given any gas it died immediately. So upon the advice of many here I took the carb apart to check out the pilot jet. As I took off the tank I found it was compltely rusted. Taking the petcock off the tank proved to be even worse, the nylon filters were gone I mean disintegrated and the internal component of the petcock was like mud. I finally got to the carb and suprisingly enough it looked rather clean and there was just a minute amount of dust?in the float bowl. Took out the pilot jet and yes it was very clogged. I cleaned out the carb and took out the pilot jet and carefully took a 33gu needle and worked out the obstructed hole. I know your not suppose to use wires for things like this but this is used for diabetic syringes and it is SUPERFINE. Soaked most everything overnight cleaned it all off and reassembled both the petcock and carburator. Put them both back on the bike connected the hoses to what I think is correct and tried to start it. It pretty much started right up and idled ok when I tried to give it gas it would start to rev some but always cut out usually at 3K or so. I checked the airfilter and it was a filthy uni foam, took it out and went to buy a new one. Unfortunately the dealership was out so I came home and tried it again without the filter an wad the same results. So what can I do now? I purchased one of the big cee stopcock modifiers (the mail came right after I reinstalled everything, go figure. And here the rest of my problems, I purchased a 49 state tank in great shape but I have a California bike.Ideally I would like to have a good running bike for the least amount of money spent (for now . So whats next and where do I buy a good airfilter? Robert

Robert, I'd recommend a No-Toil filter and the special oil and cleaning kit that is "Non-toxic, no-fume/no-odor cleaning solution is skin-safe, and can be used to clean filters in a bucket of water or the kitchen sink" It's very handy and much less messy that the normal filter oil/solvent route. You can find them on the web as several online retailers. Unfortunately, their own web site seems busted - http://www.notoil.com/ Good luck! __Arden

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "RReidIII" wrote: > > First of all thanks to all who responded with their advice. I was > given a 96' with 19K on it. It would only idle with the choke on > given any gas it died immediately. So upon the advice of many here I > took the carb apart to check out the pilot jet. As I took off the > tank I found it was compltely rusted. Taking the petcock off the tank > proved to be even worse, the nylon filters were gone I mean > disintegrated and the internal component of the petcock was like mud. > I finally got to the carb and suprisingly enough it looked rather > clean and there was just a minute amount of dust?in the float bowl. > Took out the pilot jet and yes it was very clogged. I cleaned out the > carb and took out the pilot jet and carefully took a 33gu needle and > worked out the obstructed hole. I know your not suppose to use wires > for things like this but this is used for diabetic syringes and it is > SUPERFINE. Soaked most everything overnight cleaned it all off and > reassembled both the petcock and carburator. Put them both back on > the bike connected the hoses to what I think is correct and tried to > start it. It pretty much started right up and idled ok when I tried > to give it gas it would start to rev some but always cut out usually > at 3K or so. I checked the airfilter and it was a filthy uni foam, > took it out and went to buy a new one. Unfortunately the dealership > was out so I came home and tried it again without the filter an wad > the same results. > So what can I do now? I purchased one of the big cee stopcock > modifiers (the mail came right after I reinstalled everything, go > figure. And here the rest of my problems, I purchased a 49 state tank > in great shape but I have a California bike.Ideally I would like to > have a good running bike for the least amount of money spent (for > now . So whats next and where do I buy a good airfilter? > > Robert >

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 01:41:05 -0000 "RReidIII" writes:

> First of all thanks to all who responded with their advice. I was > given a 96' with 19K on it. It would only idle with the choke on > given any gas it died immediately. So upon the advice of many here I > > took the carb apart to check out the pilot jet. As I took off the > tank I found it was compltely rusted. Taking the petcock off the > tank > proved to be even worse, the nylon filters were gone I mean > disintegrated and the internal component of the petcock was like > mud. > I finally got to the carb and suprisingly enough it looked rather > clean and there was just a minute amount of dust?in the float bowl. > > Took out the pilot jet and yes it was very clogged. I cleaned out > the > carb and took out the pilot jet and carefully took a 33gu needle and > > worked out the obstructed hole. I know your not suppose to use wires > > for things like this but this is used for diabetic syringes and it > is > SUPERFINE. Soaked most everything overnight cleaned it all off and > reassembled both the petcock and carburator. Put them both back on > the bike connected the hoses to what I think is correct and tried to > > start it. It pretty much started right up and idled ok when I tried > > to give it gas it would start to rev some but always cut out usually > > at 3K or so. I checked the airfilter and it was a filthy uni foam, > took it out and went to buy a new one. Unfortunately the dealership > > was out so I came home and tried it again without the filter an wad > > the same results. > So what can I do now? I purchased one of the big cee stopcock > modifiers (the mail came right after I reinstalled everything, go > figure. And here the rest of my problems, I purchased a 49 state > tank > in great shape but I have a California bike.Ideally I would like to > > have a good running bike for the least amount of money spent (for > now . So whats next and where do I buy a good airfilter? > > Robert

<><><><><><><> <><><><><><><> Robert, Great follow up report. Thanks for sharing. It sounds like you're on the right track with your fuel system repair. I'm thinking you may have the idle circuit taken care of but your needle jet (mid range) and main jet might be a problem now. Those are the jets in the middle of the carb. The needle jet will come into play when you open the throttle from about 20-80% throttle opening. The main jet will take care of the rest. The needle is attached to the slide and when the slide moves up the needle moves up with it. As the needle moves up (the needle is tapered with the skinnier part at the bottom) it opens up the area in the needle jet so more fuel can move past. If the needle jet is clogged the fuel can't flow. So with a clogged needle jet the engine should run fine at idle. As you open the throttle it allows more air through the carb. This causes a lean mixture ( more air than fuel) and the symptoms you've described. The engine will die without enough fuel in the mixture. The needle jet should be allowing more fuel to flow but won't because it's clogged. When you get to near wide open throttle the needle jet will be wide open and the main jet will now control fuel delivery based on how wide open the throttle plate is. That's a basic idea of how the CV carb works. So maybe the next step is to clean the needle and main jets and passages. Be careful when you reinstall the needle and main jet as the needle must be centered in the needle jet and not off centered between the needle jet and carb body. You can move the slide up and down to see if it's free before you tighten the main jet. If it's wrong and you tighten the main jet you can cause yourself all kinds of problems. It should turn in smoothly the entire way. If it doesn't, stop and fix whatever is wrong. I suggest you consider using a No Toil air filter and filter maintenance products. You can google No Toil for contact info. They're in CA and my experience over the past few years is they provide a great product and equally excellent customer service. The filter maintenance products are environmentally friendly and easy to use. They are available under three different labels. It's the same products labeled as No Toil, Honda or Kawasaki. They all look the same and cost about the same. Thanks again for a great follow up report. Good luck with your continuing repair. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT