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				catastrophic cam failure
				Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:16 pm
				by scarysharkface
				G'day, all!
 
 I just returned from a 3-week bike trip to Newfoundland and back, and 
 need to report that all was not well with my engine.  As I have time, 
 I'll put together a ride report with all the gnarly details over on 
 advrider.com and ridetherock.com, but for now (and for general 
 information) I'll give a quicky description of what happened to my 
 A18..
 
 I was passing a truck when the motor simply went silent.  I thought 
 initially that this was a dandy time for the kill switch to fail, but 
 that wasn't it.  When I got stopped I realized my right leg was 
 covered 
 with oil.  Upon investigation, I couldn't find any problems with the 
 case, and the oil had come from somewhere up top, buried under the 
 tank.
 
 Removing the tank, there was a big hole in the cylinder head cover 
 above where the right exhaust cam should be.  Upon disassembly, the 
 mechanic who performed the launchendectomy says the exhaust cam 
 sprocket bolt had loosened and allowed the sprocket to get sideways 
 and 
 either catch the chain or wedge itself enough to force the opposite 
 end 
 of the exhaust cam shaft up through the cover.  Ugly, 1800 miles from 
 home, in a foreign country.  Sweet.
 
 Amazingly, the damage to the top side of the head was purely 
 cosmetic.  
 The piston did not kiss any of the valves, and no nasty bits were 
 found 
 in the crankcase.  
 
 The cam sprockets have not been touched since assembly of the motor 
 by Kawasaki, 
 and the bolt which came out didn't have any locktite on it.  The 
 motor 
 had at least 3k miles on it since I did the valves, so that wasn't a 
 factor.
 
 I'll post pictures when I post the ride report(s), and a parts list 
 of 
 what needed to be replaced to get me back on the road again.  
 SlowPhil 
 and Geode of advrider really came to my rescue with the elusive 
 cylinder head cover.  Geode rode one up 500+ miles from Maine, and 
 SlowPhil located one at his favorite parts stash.  Tree let us crash 
 at 
 his place in Halifax while reassembly was underway.
 
 I'm posting this because I'm an attention-whore, but we can pretend 
 that I'm posting it so that this might become something that gets 
 checked when the top is off to do the valves...
 
 Oh, and I've got a happy 3k miles on it since Ronnie at Fundy Power 
 Sports (a Kawi-only dealer) in Truro (actually North River, I 
 believe), 
 Nova Scotia, rebuilt it.  If you're ever in the area, give Ronnie, 
 Mark 
 and Danny a shout and tell them the guy who (literally) camped at 
 their 
 doorstep sent you.  They are awesome.
 
 John
 
			 
			
					
				catastrophic cam failure
				Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:23 pm
				by Tengai Mark Van Horn
				At 3:15 AM +0000 7/24/07, scarysharkface wrote:
 < the
 
 >mechanic ...says the exhaust cam
 >sprocket bolt had loosened and allowed the sprocket to get sideways
 >and
 >either catch the chain or wedge itself enough to force the opposite
 >end
 >of the exhaust cam shaft up through the cover.  Ugly, 1800 miles from
 >home, in a foreign country.  Sweet.
 >
 >Amazingly, the damage to the top side of the head was purely
 >cosmetic.
 
  
I'll wait for the pix, but my knee-jerk reaction is to say that the 
 mechanic is full of crap. Sounds to me like your KACR mechanism on 
 the right end of the exhaust cam exploded. They've been known to do 
 that.
 
 Mark
 
			 
			
					
				catastrophic cam failure
				Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:57 pm
				by Zachariah Mully
				Tengai Mark Van Horn wrote:
 
 > At 3:15 AM +0000 7/24/07, scarysharkface wrote:
 > < the
 >   
 >> mechanic ...says the exhaust cam
 >> sprocket bolt had loosened and allowed the sprocket to get sideways
 >> and
 >> either catch the chain or wedge itself enough to force the opposite
 >> end
 >> of the exhaust cam shaft up through the cover.  Ugly, 1800 miles from
 >> home, in a foreign country.  Sweet.
 >>
 >> Amazingly, the damage to the top side of the head was purely
 >> cosmetic.
 >>     
 >
 > I'll wait for the pix, but my knee-jerk reaction is to say that the 
 > mechanic is full of crap. Sounds to me like your KACR mechanism on 
 > the right end of the exhaust cam exploded. They've been known to do 
 > that.
 >
 > Mark
 >   
 
  
I agree with Mark, unless you saw that it was still on the end of the 
 exhaust. I would make sure to check the cam chain when you get a chance, 
 since that type of damage might have done a number on your chain.
 
 Z
 
			 
			
					
				catastrophic cam failure
				Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:10 am
				by John Ford
				Either seems plausible to me, and as I stated, my initial thought was
 the same as yours.  If that's what happened, then that could easily
 have caused the mess at the sprocket end of things as well.  I'm not
 enough of a mechanic to really have an informed opinion about this.
 
 The cam chain was toast, and was replaced, as were lots of other
 components.  When I get the free minutes to write up the ride report,
 I'll include the list of new parts.
 
 I'm just terribly, terribly pleased that I was able to get it fixed
 and continue my trip on the bike!
 
 John
 
 
 On 7/23/07, Zachariah Mully  wrote:
 > Tengai Mark Van Horn wrote:
 > > At 3:15 AM +0000 7/24/07, scarysharkface wrote:
 > > < the
 > >
 > >> mechanic ...says the exhaust cam
 > >> sprocket bolt had loosened and allowed the sprocket to get sideways
 > >> and
 > >> either catch the chain or wedge itself enough to force the opposite
 > >> end
 > >> of the exhaust cam shaft up through the cover.  Ugly, 1800 miles from
 > >> home, in a foreign country.  Sweet.
 > >>
 > >> Amazingly, the damage to the top side of the head was purely
 > >> cosmetic.
 > >>
 > >
 > > I'll wait for the pix, but my knee-jerk reaction is to say that the
 > > mechanic is full of crap. Sounds to me like your KACR mechanism on
 > > the right end of the exhaust cam exploded. They've been known to do
 > > that.
 > >
 > > Mark
 > >
 >
 > I agree with Mark, unless you saw that it was still on the end of the
 > exhaust. I would make sure to check the cam chain when you get a chance,
 > since that type of damage might have done a number on your chain.
 >
 > Z
 > 
 
			 
			
					
				catastrophic cam failure
				Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:31 am
				by Terry Hamrick
				And, don't forget lucky that you were not alone 1000km from nowhere when it
 happened.
 
 albatross
 
 
 On 7/24/07, John Ford  wrote:
 >
 >   Either seems plausible to me, and as I stated, my initial thought was
 > the same as yours. If that's what happened, then that could easily
 > have caused the mess at the sprocket end of things as well. I'm not
 > enough of a mechanic to really have an informed opinion about this.
 >
 > The cam chain was toast, and was replaced, as were lots of other
 > components. When I get the free minutes to write up the ride report,
 > I'll include the list of new parts.
 >
 > I'm just terribly, terribly pleased that I was able to get it fixed
 > and continue my trip on the bike!
 >
 > John
 >
 >
 > On 7/23/07, Zachariah Mully >
 > wrote:
 > > Tengai Mark Van Horn wrote:
 > > > At 3:15 AM +0000 7/24/07, scarysharkface wrote:
 > > > < the
 > > >
 > > >> mechanic ...says the exhaust cam
 > > >> sprocket bolt had loosened and allowed the sprocket to get sideways
 > > >> and
 > > >> either catch the chain or wedge itself enough to force the opposite
 > > >> end
 > > >> of the exhaust cam shaft up through the cover. Ugly, 1800 miles from
 > > >> home, in a foreign country. Sweet.
 > > >>
 > > >> Amazingly, the damage to the top side of the head was purely
 > > >> cosmetic.
 > > >>
 > > >
 > > > I'll wait for the pix, but my knee-jerk reaction is to say that the
 > > > mechanic is full of crap. Sounds to me like your KACR mechanism on
 > > > the right end of the exhaust cam exploded. They've been known to do
 > > > that.
 > > >
 > > > Mark
 > > >
 > >
 > > I agree with Mark, unless you saw that it was still on the end of the
 > > exhaust. I would make sure to check the cam chain when you get a chance,
 > > since that type of damage might have done a number on your chain.
 > >
 > > Z
 > >
 >
 >  
 >
 
 
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				new forks
				Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:08 am
				by Mike Peplinski
				Be patient. KLR parts show up regularly, including forks. If you get a new 
 one, an 08, let us know what you like or dislike about it.
 By the way, which part got washed? Not too much information, please.
 
 
 
 >From: Mike Frey 
 >To: matteeanne@...
 >CC: 
dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com
 >Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] New Forks
 >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:04:11 -0400
 >
 >If you can find them, KLX-650 forks are an easy conversion, and way
 >better than the KLR forks. They're hard to find, though.
 >
 >matteeanne@... wrote:
 > > After my wreck, I am looking for parts to rebuild my baby (even if I do 
 >get a new one). The forks are wasted, is there an aftermarket fork I should 
 >consider? Is an old fork a good fork? Are there other types that will work? 
 >How much do new stock ones cost? Did you know when you wreck, it hurts a 
 >lot more the next day? I took a shower this morning and was not able to 
 >reach 50% of my body because my neck and shoulders and legs hurt so bad I 
 >cant twist.
 > > At least 1/2 of me smells good.
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > > 
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				catastrophic cam failure
				Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:13 am
				by Mike Peplinski
				Great report on a nasty disaster. Good luck and ride safe.
 
 
 
 >From: "scarysharkface" 
 >To: 
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com
 >Subject: [DSN_KLR650] catastrophic cam failure
 >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 03:15:49 -0000
 >
 >G'day, all!
 >
 >I just returned from a 3-week bike trip to Newfoundland and back, and
 >need to report that all was not well with my engine.  As I have time,
 >I'll put together a ride report with all the gnarly details over on
 >advrider.com and ridetherock.com, but for now (and for general
 >information) I'll give a quicky description of what happened to my
 >A18..
 >
 >I was passing a truck when the motor simply went silent.  I thought
 >initially that this was a dandy time for the kill switch to fail, but
 >that wasn't it.  When I got stopped I realized my right leg was
 >covered
 >with oil.  Upon investigation, I couldn't find any problems with the
 >case, and the oil had come from somewhere up top, buried under the
 >tank.
 >
 >Removing the tank, there was a big hole in the cylinder head cover
 >above where the right exhaust cam should be.  Upon disassembly, the
 >mechanic who performed the launchendectomy says the exhaust cam
 >sprocket bolt had loosened and allowed the sprocket to get sideways
 >and
 >either catch the chain or wedge itself enough to force the opposite
 >end
 >of the exhaust cam shaft up through the cover.  Ugly, 1800 miles from
 >home, in a foreign country.  Sweet.
 >
 >Amazingly, the damage to the top side of the head was purely
 >cosmetic.
 >The piston did not kiss any of the valves, and no nasty bits were
 >found
 >in the crankcase.
 >
 >The cam sprockets have not been touched since assembly of the motor
 >by Kawasaki,
 >and the bolt which came out didn't have any locktite on it.  The
 >motor
 >had at least 3k miles on it since I did the valves, so that wasn't a
 >factor.
 >
 >I'll post pictures when I post the ride report(s), and a parts list
 >of
 >what needed to be replaced to get me back on the road again.
 >SlowPhil
 >and Geode of advrider really came to my rescue with the elusive
 >cylinder head cover.  Geode rode one up 500+ miles from Maine, and
 >SlowPhil located one at his favorite parts stash.  Tree let us crash
 >at
 >his place in Halifax while reassembly was underway.
 >
 >I'm posting this because I'm an attention-whore, but we can pretend
 >that I'm posting it so that this might become something that gets
 >checked when the top is off to do the valves...
 >
 >Oh, and I've got a happy 3k miles on it since Ronnie at Fundy Power
 >Sports (a Kawi-only dealer) in Truro (actually North River, I
 >believe),
 >Nova Scotia, rebuilt it.  If you're ever in the area, give Ronnie,
 >Mark
 >and Danny a shout and tell them the guy who (literally) camped at
 >their
 >doorstep sent you.  They are awesome.
 >
 >John
 >
 >
 >
 >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: 
www.dualsportnews.com
 >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: 
www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html
 >Member Map at: 
http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650
 >Yahoo! Groups Links
 >
 >
 >
 
  
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				catastrophic cam failure
				Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:36 am
				by Tengai Mark Van Horn
				At 8:10 AM -0400 7/24/07, John Ford wrote:
 
 >Either seems plausible to me, and as I stated, my initial thought was
 >the same as yours.  If that's what happened, then that could easily
 >have caused the mess at the sprocket end of things as well.  I'm not
 >enough of a mechanic to really have an informed opinion about this.
 
  
This is the part that sounds like BS:
 "... (the chain) wedge itself enough to force the opposite end of the 
 exhaust cam shaft UP through the cover."
 
 This is NOT going to happen without either cracking the cam bearing 
 cap and/or ripping the cap retaining screws out of the head. I'm 
 guessing that a piece of the cam chain found its way over there and 
 got slung through the cover.
 
 Mark