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Posted: **Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:44 am**

The only reason I would consider carrying a gun is to protect myself from a bear, but It would have to be a pretty big gun. How about bear spray? Do you guys carry it while camping?.... maybe it works on bad guys too

. Ken KLR650 R80 GL1500

Posted: **Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:02 am**

On 2/26/07, Ken wrote:

> How about bear > spray? Do you guys carry it while camping?

Reminds me of the joke: In light of the rising frequency of human contacts with bears, the Alaska Department of Fish and Game is advising hikers, hunters, and fishermen to take extra precautions and be alert for bears while in the field, particularly grizzly bears. They advise that people wear noisy little bells on their clothing so as not to startle bears that aren't expecting them. They also advise people to carry pepper spray with them in case of an encounter with a bear. It is also a good idea to watch out for fresh signs of bear activity. People in the Alaskan wilderness should learn to recognize the difference between black bear excrement and grizzly bear excrement. Black bear excrement is smaller and contains lots of berries and squirrel fur. Grizzly bear excrement, on the other hand, has little bells in it and smells like pepper spray.

> .... maybe it works on bad > guys too .

The problem is bad guys sometimes do drugs (mmmm-kaaaay) that make the sprays ineffective, and some folks just aren't affected by the sprays very much. If you do spray a person down, be ready to run like heck to stay outta their reach. -- Blake Sobiloff http://sobiloff.typepad.com/> http://sobiloff.typepad.com/klr_adventure/> San Jose, CA (USA)

Posted: **Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:19 am**

Bear spray is like adding seasoning to your steak. ----- Original Message ---- From: Ken To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 11:38:33 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Bear Spray The only reason I would consider carrying a gun is to protect myself from a bear, but It would have to be a pretty big gun. How about bear spray? Do you guys carry it while camping?.... maybe it works on bad guys too

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Posted: **Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:33 pm**

The only gun you need to have to protect yourself from a bear attack is a small .22 pistol. When you see the bear and he's coming after you. You shot your buddy in the foot and run. Because you don't have to be fast then the bear just faster then the slowest person in your group. Sign in a fishing camp in Alaska. Beware of fishing guides with small guns and running shoes.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" wrote: > > The only reason I would consider carrying a gun is to protect myself > from a bear, but It would have to be a pretty big gun. How about bear > spray? Do you guys carry it while camping?.... maybe it works on bad > guys too . > > Ken > > KLR650 > R80 > GL1500 >

Posted: **Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:41 pm**

How to tell the difference between Black bears and Grizzly or brown bears Climb a tree if the bear climbs up after you it's a black bear. If it knocks the tree over it's a grizz. Kerry --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Blake Sobiloff" wrote:

> > On 2/26/07, Ken wrote: > > How about bear > > spray? Do you guys carry it while camping? > > Reminds me of the joke: > > In light of the rising frequency of human contacts with bears, the > Alaska Department of Fish and Game is advising hikers, hunters, and > fishermen to take extra precautions and be alert for bears while in > the field, particularly grizzly bears. > > They advise that people wear noisy little bells on their clothing

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> bear. It is also a good idea to watch out for fresh signs of bear > activity. > > People in the Alaskan wilderness should learn to recognize the > difference between black bear excrement and grizzly bear excrement. > Black bear excrement is smaller and contains lots of berries and > squirrel fur. Grizzly bear excrement, on the other hand, has little > bells in it and smells like pepper spray. > > > .... maybe it works on bad > > guys too . > > The problem is bad guys sometimes do drugs (mmmm-kaaaay) that make

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> sprays ineffective, and some folks just aren't affected by the

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> very much. If you do spray a person down, be ready to run like

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> to stay outta their reach. > -- > Blake Sobiloff > http://sobiloff.typepad.com/> > http://sobiloff.typepad.com/klr_adventure/> > San Jose, CA (USA) >

Posted: **Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:38 pm**

See, you guys laugh but I grew up in Alaska listening to my family telling these stories. ----- Original Message ---- From: Kerry Stottlemyer To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 2:33:08 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Bear Spray The only gun you need to have to protect yourself from a bear attack is a small .22 pistol. When you see the bear and he's coming after you. You shot your buddy in the foot and run. Because you don't have to be fast then the bear just faster then the slowest person in your group. Sign in a fishing camp in Alaska. Beware of fishing guides with small guns and running shoes.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "Ken" wrote: > > The only reason I would consider carrying a gun is to protect myself > from a bear, but It would have to be a pretty big gun. How about bear > spray? Do you guys carry it while camping?.... maybe it works on bad > guys too . > > Ken > > KLR650 > R80 > GL1500 > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:28 pm**

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" wrote:

> The only reason I would consider carrying a gun is to protect myself > from a bear, but It would have to be a pretty big gun.

Yeah, it'd have to be a *big* honkin' handgun, bigger than most folks can easily handle. It'd have to be a .357 Magnum with a hot load (hard to handle) or a .44 Magnum (pretty much impossible for anybody who isn't built like The Governator to shoot without getting knocked on his keister or breaking a wrist). A bear has a *hard* skull -- hunters have ricochet'ed .30-30 hunting rifle bullets off the hard brainpan of a bear -- and his heart is buried deep under layers of muscle and blubber. It takes a *long* time to bleed out a bear -- more than enough time for an enraged bear to cover the distance between him and you, rip the gun out of your hand, and rip you into multiple parts.

> How about bear > spray? Do you guys carry it while camping?.... maybe it works on bad > guys too .

Personally, I don't carry bear spray. I practice good camp hygiene -- I carry my food in a bear canister, don't eat in my tent, etc. -- and have never had an up-close-and-personal experience with a bear. I've had a bear tear into the hard luggage on my KLR while it sat at the trailhead (I was camped miles away to where I'd backpacked to a lake), but all I did when I got back was pick the bike back up (he'd knocked it over), bungee the luggage back together, cranked it up, and rode home. (Note: I have a "check valve" of sorts in my gas tank vent hose to prevent it from losing more than a tablespoon or so of gas when it falls over, don't try this at home without one). That said, if I were in grizzly territory I'd definitely consider bear spray. Not that I'd be very confident that it'd do anything other than make the bear mad, but then, I'm not sure there's anything else that would work either, so might as well. Oh, yeah, probably works about as well on humans as it does on bears. Just hope the human you try it on isn't a Cajun. A Cajun would probably lick his lips after you sprayed him the first time, say "Yumm, good!" then mug you for the bear spray to use it as seasoning for his trail food.

Posted: **Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:42 pm**

I don't mean to turn this into a reloading discussion but a .375 mag even loaded hot wouldn't stop a black bear let alone a grizz. yes it will kill the bear with proper shot placement but it won't stop it at least not in enough time to keep it from killing you. As for a hot loaded .44 mag It won't break your wrist I'm 5'9" on a good day and 230 lbs and I can shoot a .44 mag with 300 grain loads all day. (super red hawk or the like) I've also put a box of 400 grain rounds through my buddies .454 Casul with no ill effects other then a really big grin and being pissed I didn't get more ammo. Now that said if your talking about something compact then yeah it's gonna hurt. I can say for fact I've shot the most powerful handguns made and the most powerful rifles My buddy also owns an AMAC .50 BMG. Either way something is better then nothing. I'd rather go down shooting then throwing my own crap at him. Kerry

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "E.L. Green" wrote: > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" wrote: > > The only reason I would consider carrying a gun is to protect myself > > from a bear, but It would have to be a pretty big gun. > > Yeah, it'd have to be a *big* honkin' handgun, bigger than most folks > can easily handle. It'd have to be a .357 Magnum with a hot load (hard > to handle) or a .44 Magnum (pretty much impossible for anybody who > isn't built like The Governator to shoot without getting knocked on > his keister or breaking a wrist). A bear has a *hard* skull -- hunters > have ricochet'ed .30-30 hunting rifle bullets off the hard brainpan of > a bear -- and his heart is buried deep under layers of muscle and > blubber. It takes a *long* time to bleed out a bear -- more than > enough time for an enraged bear to cover the distance between him and > you, rip the gun out of your hand, and rip you into multiple parts. > > > How about bear > > spray? Do you guys carry it while camping?.... maybe it works on bad > > guys too . > > Personally, I don't carry bear spray. I practice good camp hygiene -- > I carry my food in a bear canister, don't eat in my tent, etc. -- and > have never had an up-close-and-personal experience with a bear. I've > had a bear tear into the hard luggage on my KLR while it sat at the > trailhead (I was camped miles away to where I'd backpacked to a lake), > but all I did when I got back was pick the bike back up (he'd knocked > it over), bungee the luggage back together, cranked it up, and rode > home. (Note: I have a "check valve" of sorts in my gas tank vent hose > to prevent it from losing more than a tablespoon or so of gas when it > falls over, don't try this at home without one). > > That said, if I were in grizzly territory I'd definitely consider bear > spray. Not that I'd be very confident that it'd do anything other than > make the bear mad, but then, I'm not sure there's anything else that > would work either, so might as well. Oh, yeah, probably works about as > well on humans as it does on bears. Just hope the human you try it on > isn't a Cajun. A Cajun would probably lick his lips after you sprayed > him the first time, say "Yumm, good!" then mug you for the bear spray > to use it as seasoning for his trail food. >

Posted: **Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:31 pm**

----- Original Message ----- From: "Moose" To: "Kerry Stottlemyer" ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Bear Spray > See, you guys laugh but I grew up in Alaska listening to my family telling > these stories. This couple goes up to a park ranger and tells him that they want to hike this trail but they are worried because there are both black bears and grizzly bears in the area. The rangers tells them that in order to be safe they need to wear blue ribbons and carry little bells to ring when they think bears are nearby so as not to surprise them. They ask him how they can tell when bears are nearby, and he answers that you can tell because they will see mounds of bear crap. He also tells them that if the bear crap is from black bears they don't have to worry too much, but if it's grizzly crap, they need to slowly and carefully leave the area. The couple thinks about this and asks the ranger how they can tell if the bear crap is from black bears or grizzlies. He answers................ "The grizzly crap has blue ribbons and little bells in it." ed A17

Posted: **Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:10 pm**

As an ex prison guard, I would say that bear spray would likely work well on the criminally minded, be they morons or otherwise. The stuff we had in the pokey was rated at 5% strength, bear spray is 10% I believe. Also if you keep in mind that there is no physical harm done by this stuff, and no need to decontaminate the recipient it is a pretty good deal. Always remember that some jurisdictions may consider it a weapon, and that is worth thinking about. I carry a clip on container of dog spray, about two or three times the size of a bic lighter, when I think that there may be coyotes of one species or another in the vicinity. I rather question the need for a handgun to protect against actual bears, unless it is big enough to need wheels under it. Perhaps a short 12 ga with slugs may improve your odds more. My twenty pesetas worth, DC Ken wrote:

>The only reason I would consider carrying a gun is to protect myself >from a bear, but It would have to be a pretty big gun. How about bear >spray? Do you guys carry it while camping?.... maybe it works on bad >guys too . > > >

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