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loud pipes save lives
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:43 pm
by Mike Frey
The loud pipes save lives argument is one of the most lame in all of
motorcycling.
I am legally deaf. Therefore, how are loud pipes going to save you in
the unlikely (I say UNLIKELY because I am, as a fellow motorcycle rider,
vigilant for bikes on the road) event that I make a turn into your lane
or pull out in front of you? They're not. I can't really hear bikes
except for the REALLY loud ones in my car, truck or on my motorcycles.
OK, so I am the rarity. But all motorists have the right to have a
stereo in their car, and that makes many drivers unable to hear the
sounds of traffic around them. It does not necessarily make them a bad
driver. It takes a pretty loud bike for a driver to hear it above the
sounds of an air-conditioned car with the stereo at reasonable levels.
But, you can bet your ass that others hear you people who are trying
to have a nice peaceful picnic in their back yard, park, or wherever.
Those people are no threat to a motorcycle rider.
...I can t remember the last time I read about a picnic table pulling
out in front of a biker.
Many of the same Loud pipes save lives crowd will go through the
trouble, after assuring that they have the baddest, loudest bike around,
will go through the trouble of DISCONNECTING the auto headlight switch.
Oh, and many of them are in shorts and without helmets, too. So... it's
a safety thing, right? Suuuure.
Off road, the problem is different. It doesn t matter what state you
live in; noise is one of the top reasons for land closures everywhere in
the USA. You may think that you are offending nobody, out in the middle
of the desert or forest, your bike roaring away, but someone hears you
and doesn t like it. Wildlife is also offended, and if you don t care
about that, then you don t belong there in the first place.
loud pipes save lives
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:45 pm
by hal gainous
listening to a bike that is a 10,000 feet away while you try and enjoy the
outdoors doesn't matter if in your back yard or camping.
listening to the ocean while your at the beach with 3 jet ski.s
i can't think of a better way to tell someone you don't know and or can't
see-- screw you I'm the only one that matters--
> [Original Message]
> From: Mike Frey
> To: KLR List DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 8/16/2006 2:43:55 PM
> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Loud Pipes Save Lives
>
>
> The loud pipes save lives argument is one of the most lame in all of
> motorcycling.
>
> I am legally deaf. Therefore, how are loud pipes going to save you in
> the unlikely (I say UNLIKELY because I am, as a fellow motorcycle rider,
> vigilant for bikes on the road) event that I make a turn into your lane
> or pull out in front of you? They're not. I can't really hear bikes
> except for the REALLY loud ones in my car, truck or on my motorcycles.
>
> OK, so I am the rarity. But all motorists have the right to have a
> stereo in their car, and that makes many drivers unable to hear the
> sounds of traffic around them. It does not necessarily make them a bad
> driver. It takes a pretty loud bike for a driver to hear it above the
> sounds of an air-conditioned car with the stereo at reasonable levels.
>
> But, you can bet your ass that others hear you people who are trying
> to have a nice peaceful picnic in their back yard, park, or wherever.
> Those people are no threat to a motorcycle rider.
>
> ...I can t remember the last time I read about a picnic table pulling
> out in front of a biker.
>
> Many of the same Loud pipes save lives crowd will go through the
> trouble, after assuring that they have the baddest, loudest bike around,
> will go through the trouble of DISCONNECTING the auto headlight switch.
> Oh, and many of them are in shorts and without helmets, too. So... it's
> a safety thing, right? Suuuure.
>
> Off road, the problem is different. It doesn t matter what state you
> live in; noise is one of the top reasons for land closures everywhere in
> the USA. You may think that you are offending nobody, out in the middle
> of the desert or forest, your bike roaring away, but someone hears you
> and doesn t like it. Wildlife is also offended, and if you don t care
> about that, then you don t belong there in the first place.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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loud pipes save lives
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:20 pm
by Dennis Holm
Well said and I couldn't agree more. But here is another point. Those biggest and baddest and loudest bikes these 'parade people' ride are also the slowest and worse handling bikes on the road, for all the cubes they have and the noise they make!
Bigdroptwo
hal gainous wrote:
listening to a bike that is a 10,000 feet away while you try and enjoy the
outdoors doesn't matter if in your back yard or camping.
listening to the ocean while your at the beach with 3 jet ski.s
i can't think of a better way to tell someone you don't know and or can't
see-- screw you I'm the only one that matters--
> [Original Message]
> From: Mike Frey
> To: KLR List
> Date: 8/16/2006 2:43:55 PM
> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Loud Pipes Save Lives
>
>
> The loud pipes save lives argument is one of the most lame in all of
> motorcycling.
>
> I am legally deaf. Therefore, how are loud pipes going to save you in
> the unlikely (I say UNLIKELY because I am, as a fellow motorcycle rider,
> vigilant for bikes on the road) event that I make a turn into your lane
> or pull out in front of you? They're not. I can't really hear bikes
> except for the REALLY loud ones in my car, truck or on my motorcycles.
>
> OK, so I am the rarity. But all motorists have the right to have a
> stereo in their car, and that makes many drivers unable to hear the
> sounds of traffic around them. It does not necessarily make them a bad
> driver. It takes a pretty loud bike for a driver to hear it above the
> sounds of an air-conditioned car with the stereo at reasonable levels.
>
> But, you can bet your ass that others hear you people who are trying
> to have a nice peaceful picnic in their back yard, park, or wherever.
> Those people are no threat to a motorcycle rider.
>
> ...I can t remember the last time I read about a picnic table pulling
> out in front of a biker.
>
> Many of the same Loud pipes save lives crowd will go through the
> trouble, after assuring that they have the baddest, loudest bike around,
> will go through the trouble of DISCONNECTING the auto headlight switch.
> Oh, and many of them are in shorts and without helmets, too. So... it's
> a safety thing, right? Suuuure.
>
> Off road, the problem is different. It doesn t matter what state you
> live in; noise is one of the top reasons for land closures everywhere in
> the USA. You may think that you are offending nobody, out in the middle
> of the desert or forest, your bike roaring away, but someone hears you
> and doesn t like it. Wildlife is also offended, and if you don t care
> about that, then you don t belong there in the first place.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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loud pipes save lives
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:53 pm
by teamster1997
--- In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Holm wrote:
>
> Well said and I couldn't agree more. But here is another point.
Those biggest and baddest and loudest bikes these 'parade people'
ride are also the slowest and worse handling bikes on the road, for
all the cubes they have and the noise they make!
> Bigdroptwo
-------------------------------------------------------------------
(quote) slowest and worse handling bikes on the road, for all the
cubes they have and the noise they make! (unquote)
Bigdroptwo,
I couldn't agree with you more.
Tim...............
loud pipes save lives
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:45 pm
by Silver-tougne-Devil
Sorry Guys but I have to disagree, I have been riding
for a decade, and all types of Bikes, I currently own
a KLR650 and a Kawasaki Vulcan 800 ( harley lookalike)
I agree with you in that Harleys are not reliable, But
loud pipes in my experiance's has saved myself. I have
taken many a ditches to some soccer mom not paying
attention and pulling out in front of me.. But when
I'm on the Vulcan( with Vance and Hines
straighshots..) all I have to do is hit the throttle
and she ( or he) will look up.. Sorry but I disagree..
--- Dennis Holm wrote:
> Well said and I couldn't agree more. But here is
> another point. Those biggest and baddest and
> loudest bikes these 'parade people' ride are also
> the slowest and worse handling bikes on the road,
> for all the cubes they have and the noise they make!
>
> Bigdroptwo
>
> hal gainous wrote:
>
> listening to a bike that is a 10,000 feet away while
> you try and enjoy the
> outdoors doesn't matter if in your back yard or
> camping.
> listening to the ocean while your at the beach with
> 3 jet ski.s
> i can't think of a better way to tell someone you
> don't know and or can't
> see-- screw you I'm the only one that matters--
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Mike Frey
> > To: KLR List
> > Date: 8/16/2006 2:43:55 PM
> > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Loud Pipes Save Lives
> >
> >
> > The loud pipes save lives argument is one of the
> most lame in all of
> > motorcycling.
> >
> > I am legally deaf. Therefore, how are loud pipes
> going to save you in
> > the unlikely (I say UNLIKELY because I am, as a
> fellow motorcycle rider,
> > vigilant for bikes on the road) event that I make
> a turn into your lane
> > or pull out in front of you? They're not. I can't
> really hear bikes
> > except for the REALLY loud ones in my car, truck
> or on my motorcycles.
> >
> > OK, so I am the rarity. But all motorists have the
> right to have a
> > stereo in their car, and that makes many drivers
> unable to hear the
> > sounds of traffic around them. It does not
> necessarily make them a bad
> > driver. It takes a pretty loud bike for a driver
> to hear it above the
> > sounds of an air-conditioned car with the stereo
> at reasonable levels.
> >
> > But, you can bet your ass that others hear you
> people who are trying
> > to have a nice peaceful picnic in their back yard,
> park, or wherever.
> > Those people are no threat to a motorcycle rider.
> >
> > ...I can t remember the last time I read about a
> picnic table pulling
> > out in front of a biker.
> >
> > Many of the same Loud pipes save lives crowd
> will go through the
> > trouble, after assuring that they have the
> baddest, loudest bike around,
> > will go through the trouble of DISCONNECTING the
> auto headlight switch.
> > Oh, and many of them are in shorts and without
> helmets, too. So... it's
> > a safety thing, right? Suuuure.
> >
> > Off road, the problem is different. It doesn t
> matter what state you
> > live in; noise is one of the top reasons for land
> closures everywhere in
> > the USA. You may think that you are offending
> nobody, out in the middle
> > of the desert or forest, your bike roaring away,
> but someone hears you
> > and doesn t like it. Wildlife is also offended,
> and if you don t care
> > about that, then you don t belong there in the
> first place.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
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loud pipes save lives
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:13 pm
by Darren Clark
"all I have to do is hit the throttle
and she ( or he) will look up.. Sorry but I disagree.."
This tends to tick people off all the time, every light, every
expressway ramp, every time you hit the gas.
I put a pair of horns from a Lincoln Town Car on my KLR, "all I have to
do is press a button and she ( or he) will look up.. Sorry, but I
disagree.."
And this doesn't tick people off all the time, and it does work.
Darren Clark
2004 KLR-650
loud pipes save lives
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:31 pm
by Thor Lancelot Simon
On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 07:41:14PM -0700, Silver-tougne-Devil wrote:
> Sorry Guys but I have to disagree, I have been riding
> for a decade, and all types of Bikes, I currently own
> a KLR650 and a Kawasaki Vulcan 800 ( harley lookalike)
> I agree with you in that Harleys are not reliable, But
> loud pipes in my experiance's has saved myself. I have
> taken many a ditches to some soccer mom not paying
> attention and pulling out in front of me..
I'm sorry, but if you regularly find yourself riding off the road
into a ditch -- at least, unless you're on the Almighty KLR and
riding in the ditch because you _decided to_
-- you really
need to work on your traffic riding skills, particularly your
situational awareness.
And if someone can pull onto the road in front of you and force
you into the ditch, you're either riding way too fast for the
conditions (so you can't panic stop), or you don't know how to
swerve. This should not be an everyday occurance, and is no
excuse for making life harder for every other rider everywhere
by drumming up hatred for bikes with your loud pipes.
Thor
loud pipes save lives
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:39 pm
by Chris
Why is it that I always 'notice' the straight pipes crowd because they
insist on sitting in my blind spot for a mile at a time? When I ride,
the blind spot is something I'm passing through, not sitting in.
Wtf is wrong with bikers that run 10 under the limit in the left-lane,
ride in blind spots and fight people passing them? Coincidentally
they are more often than not running open pipes.
I hate seeing people ride like that, though I suppose bad drivers
aren't any better when they get on the bike.
On 8/17/06, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote:
> you really
> need to work on your traffic riding skills, particularly your
> situational awareness.
>
>
> Thor
loud pipes save lives
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:44 pm
by Matt Knowles
I am willing to bet that the fire trucks I drive can make more noise
than the average loud Harley. Plus the fire trucks point their noise
makers in the direction they are traveling. Guess what?
People in cars still don't hear us. (Not to mention they don't see this
big red truck with all kinds of flashing lights behind them either.)
On Aug 16, 2006, at 11:34 AM, Mike Frey wrote:
> OK, so I am the rarity. But all motorists have the right to have a
> stereo in their car, and that makes many drivers unable to hear the
> sounds of traffic around them. It does not necessarily make them a bad
> driver. It takes a pretty loud bike for a driver to hear it above the
> sounds of an air-conditioned car with the stereo at reasonable levels.
Matt Knowles - Ferndale, CA -
http://www.knowlesville.com/matt/motorcycles
'99 Sprint ST - for going fast and far (2CZUSA)
'01 KLR650 (A15) - for exploring the North Coast backroads
'97 KLX300 & '01 Lakota - for playing in the dirt
'79 KZ400 - just because it was the first vehicle I ever owned
loud pipes save lives
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:01 am
by John & Rosie Wong
I'm not a big fan of loud pipes. But, I will say this. I live in CA
where lane splitting is legal. I notice much sooner the loud bikes
splitting lanes before I notice the ones with the quiet pipes. My KLR
has a stock pipe and I startle a lot of folks when idling 5mph through
traffic to a stop light.
John