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> > I just completed my Motorcycle Safety Class this weekend and I want

> KLR650. There is one in my area and have some questions about a few

> he added to the bike which is why he is asking higher than KBB

> > > > Front fork stabilizer - says it prevents the front fork from > wobbling on the interstate? > > Adjustable lowering kit - has three positions (how much

> lower the bike and what effect does it have on the bike?) > > Front highway foot pegs - Can't make much difference to the > value. > > Soft saddle bags and small tank bag. These can't be

> than $150? > > > > The guy is asking $900 over KBB retail. He might go lower but that

> he is asking. > > > > Anyone have any ideas on the increased value of these items? Are

> the money? > > > > Thanks for the help. > > > > Steve > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

> Naa. Accessories should have little $ value to a > buyer, unless you > really gotta have them; from a buyers standpoint > better to value @ $0 > and get 'em for free. Keep looking. KBB is great for > sellers, sucks > for buyers. Remember, the books are only a price > *guide*. Personally I > stay away from sellers who start high. Many times > they're just > unreasonable and it's just easier to move on ~ that > is if you're price > conscious. Then again, sometimes it's just easier in > the long run to > spend the bucks and go have fun. My two cents. > > Fred > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Gochenour" > wrote: > > > > I just completed my Motorcycle Safety Class this > weekend and I want > to buy a > > KLR650. There is one in my area and have some > questions about a few > items > > he added to the bike which is why he is asking > higher than KBB > retail value: > > > > > > > > Front fork stabilizer - says it > prevents the front fork from > > wobbling on the interstate? > > > > Adjustable lowering kit - has three > positions (how much > does it > > lower the bike and what effect does it have on the > bike?) > > > > Front highway foot pegs - Can't make > much difference to the > > value. > > > > Soft saddle bags and small tank bag. > These can't be > much more > > than $150? > > > > > > > > The guy is asking $900 over KBB retail. He might > go lower but that > is what > > he is asking. > > > > > > > > Anyone have any ideas on the increased value of > these items? Are > they worth > > the money? > > > > > > > > Thanks for the help. > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > >

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Link > > I am selling my 05 KLR, I have had some say that I am priced > too high. $4300.00 OBO,( because everyone i've met won't pay > asking price, they must talk you down, or they feel like they > got screwed) I really only want $4000.00. that is NADA value, > KBB is priced too high. > As far as accessories go, Tell the owner to take them off and > sell them on Ebay, I have found you will get your money in > the long run if you do that, instead of raising the price to > cover them. If I added my accessories I would have to be at > 4700.00 and no one will pay that for a 2005. > > But think of this.. If you buy a used one from an individual > ( may vary by state) in my state You pay $25.00 in taxes plus > licensing, if you buy from a dealer you will pay state sales > tax 6.5%(may vary by > state) of the price( $260.00 + licensing..So is a > 2006/2007 model for $5200.00( price may vary)+ fee's worth > the same as a used model one year older and Identical except > for color, worth it? I wish I would have bought one used > instead of new.. because now I am taking the price hit..and > then you will most likely buy the same accessories as that > guy you are buying from.. maybe.. just my 2 cents > worth..which deosn't mean much. >

> There's a few things I've notice when looking for > bikes. Most owners don't > want to face reality in what their bikes are > actually worth. There's also > many other factors in selling a bike that will > dictate how much you'll get > for it. > > Time. How fast do you want/need to sell? You didn't > mention mileage but $4k > isn't bad for a '05. It won't go fast but it will > go. > > Leaving the farkles on the bike will also entice > buyers but not if you > increase the price of the bike to make up for them. > Yes, you can take them > off and sell them seperately but is it really worth > the hassle? I guess it > depends on the person. > > Retail price on a KLR is $5199 but I've talked to > several dealers that were > willing to sell one for $4900 out the door. This > includes prep, tax, title, > etc. I don't know about other states but in NJ, you > still pay taxes when you > register the bike for the first time whether it's > new or used. Also, your > cost of prep, title, reg, tax, etc isn't a concern > for a potential buyer. > That's your cost of aquiring the bike over the > initial cost. Should you also > include the cost of insurance? Gas? Maintenance? > This is the reason you see > some inflated prices of fairly new bikes. Those are > the costs associated > with owning a bike, not the actual cost of the bike > itself. > > Location. Bikes vary in price depending on where > it's located. I've noticed > that bikes in general cost more on the west coast > and large metro areas. > > You don't state what farkles you have or the mileage > but if you leave > everything on and post a price of $4700, you might > be able to get someone to > pay $4500 for it. There are people out there that do > value extra farkles > that they don't have to bother ordering and > installing AND are willing to > pay a premium for them. It'll just take a little > longer. > > Then there's the whole presentation of your for sale > ad. People are mostly > visual so the more pics you post, the faster the > sale. > > Good luck with your sale. > > -Bobby > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Link > > > > I am selling my 05 KLR, I have had some say that I > am priced > > too high. $4300.00 OBO,( because everyone i've > met won't pay > > asking price, they must talk you down, or they > feel like they > > got screwed) I really only want $4000.00. that is > NADA value, > > KBB is priced too high. > > As far as accessories go, Tell the owner to take > them off and > > sell them on Ebay, I have found you will get your > money in > > the long run if you do that, instead of raising > the price to > > cover them. If I added my accessories I would have > to be at > > 4700.00 and no one will pay that for a 2005. > > > > But think of this.. If you buy a used one from an > individual > > ( may vary by state) in my state You pay $25.00 in > taxes plus > > licensing, if you buy from a dealer you will pay > state sales > > tax 6.5%(may vary by > > state) of the price( $260.00 + licensing..So is a > > 2006/2007 model for $5200.00( price may vary)+ > fee's worth > > the same as a used model one year older and > Identical except > > for color, worth it? I wish I would have bought > one used > > instead of new.. because now I am taking the price > hit..and > > then you will most likely buy the same accessories > as that > > guy you are buying from.. maybe.. just my 2 cents > > worth..which deosn't mean much. > > > >

> Steve, > > I disagree with some of the other listers, in my > area a KLR only comes up > for sale about 2 or 3 times a year, so there are not > that many used ones out > there. I watched eBay for 6 months for dual sport > bikes to get some idea > what they go for in my area and around the country > and even the oldest and > crappiest KLR650/DR650/XR650L/XL650 went for $2500 > to $3500. BMW 650's were > $4000 and up. This was far above 'book value' on > most of these machines. ANY > KLR that comes up in the local swap sheet is usually > gone the first day of > the ad. I live in a rural area and decently priced > dual-sports and 4 > wheelers usually sell very fast. > > I ended up buying a 2000 KLR650 locally for $2500, > had been jetted with > after market exhaustand had brand new tires. It was > priced above 'book > value' ,according to the owner, by $700. But the > bike had never been off > road, the guy told me every problem it ever had, > bike was in excellent > condition, was serviced by the dealer (including > valves, fork oil, oil > changes) and ran great. It had 10K miles on it. MY > limit was $3500 for any > used KLR, any more and I would buy new. $2500 was > just what i had in cash, > so the cheaper the better. > > So I bought it, knowing full well a new ones was > $5000+tax+title+tags, (no > less in this area I knew 2 people who just bought > one, and they both tried > to deal furiously). I am very happy, everyone tells > me I stole it. I think I > got a 'good deal' for my area. > > SOOO...'book value' has some meaning but a bike can > be worth more or less > depending on condition, mods, miles and service > record. The mods are usually > worth half of what new would cost, IF you want that > mod, mods you don't want > are worthless. Bags, foot pegs, fork brace, etc are > all common mods that you > will be happy with when you have it. $900 over KBB > retail seems like a lot, > KBB retail is what you would expect to pay at a > dealer, everything fixed > with a warantee. Just offer what you are willing to > pay and walk away if > they don't come around. Don't be afraid to ask for > sevice records etc. > > Good luck with the new machine, > Gary > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Steve Gochenour > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:52 PM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] looking to purchase KLR650 and > have some questions > > > > I just completed my Motorcycle Safety Class this > weekend and I want to buy a > KLR650. There is one in my area and have some > questions about a few items > he added to the bike which is why he is asking > higher than KBB retail value: > > Front fork stabilizer - says it prevents the front > fork from > wobbling on the interstate? > > Adjustable lowering kit - has three positions (how > much does it > lower the bike and what effect does it have on the > bike?) > > Front highway foot pegs - Can't make much difference > to the > value. > > Soft saddle bags and small tank bag. These can't be > much more > than $150? > > The guy is asking $900 over KBB retail. He might go > lower but that is what > he is asking. > > Anyone have any ideas on the increased value of > these items? Are they worth > the money? > > Thanks for the help. > > Steve > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > >

> I just completed my Motorcycle Safety Class this weekend and I want to buy a > KLR650. There is one in my area and have some questions about a few items > he added to the bike which is why he is asking higher than KBB retail value:

> Front fork stabilizer - says it prevents the front fork from > wobbling on the interstate?

> Adjustable lowering kit - has three positions (how much does it > lower the bike and what effect does it have on the bike?)

> Front highway foot pegs - Can't make much difference to the > value.

> Soft saddle bags and small tank bag. These can't be much more > than $150?

> The guy is asking $900 over KBB retail. He might go lower but that is what > he is asking.

> Similar here in Albuquerque. I tried to deal with 3 > different dealers and go nowhere. I couldn't even get > a new one - by the time I got in, they'd be sold. > Eventually put money done on waiting list. Did get a > nice 07 for list, $6,000 out the door.

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Herr > > On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Hedrek wrote: > > > Similar here in Albuquerque. I tried to deal with 3 > different dealers > > and go nowhere. I couldn't even get a new one - by the > time I got in, > > they'd be sold. > > Eventually put money done on waiting list. Did get a nice 07 for > > list, $6,000 out the door. > > > This sort of thing may be due to this list. We need to post > much less and make sure all the posts are negative. > > The KLR 650 sucks!!!! > > > -- > Doug Herr > doug@...