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the science behind our steering
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:35 am
by rschulte46
While surfing the web for information on motorcycle handling I came
across this page. I get the jist of it. It is not an easy read...but
it is very interesting. In CT. we must demonstrate the "swerve" in
order to get our MC license. A swerve is initiated by the movement of
the handle bar in the opposite direct we wish to turn. It befuddled
me at first but once I tried it it became quite comfortable. I
recommend all new riders work on the technique as it is a way to get
into a strong evassive turn quickly on the highway.
http://www.ctv.es/USERS/softtech/motos/Articles/Balance/BALANCE.htm
the science behind our steering
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:01 am
by Mike Peplinski
I believe its called "push steer". This subject, and many more are
discussed, very intelligently, in one of my favorite books, "Proficient
Motorcycling" by David Hough. Even though I'm a 40 year veteran of
motorcycling, this book has good "stuff" for my riding safety and enjoyment.
the science behind our steering
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:06 am
by Stephen Grisanti
"Countersteering" is what it's called, and though
counterintuitive as well, it does work.
Stephen
--- Mike Peplinski wrote:
> I believe its called "push steer". This subject, and
> many more are
> discussed, very intelligently, in one of my favorite
> books, "Proficient
> Motorcycling" by David Hough. Even though I'm a 40
> year veteran of
> motorcycling, this book has good "stuff" for my
> riding safety and enjoyment.
>
>
> >From: "rschulte46"
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> >Subject: [DSN_KLR650] The science behind our
> steering
> >Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:34:04 -0000
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> >
> >While surfing the web for information on motorcycle
> handling I came
> >across this page. I get the jist of it. It is not
> an easy read...but
> >it is very interesting. In CT. we must demonstrate
> the "swerve" in
> >order to get our MC license. A swerve is initiated
> by the movement of
> >the handle bar in the opposite direct we wish to
> turn. It befuddled
> >me at first but once I tried it it became quite
> comfortable. I
> >recommend all new riders work on the technique as
> it is a way to get
> >into a strong evassive turn quickly on the highway.
> >
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the science behind our steering
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:40 am
by clutz003
Once you get above 5MPH or so this is the only way that the bike
will turn. We all do it, we just do not realize it.
If you don't believe it next time you are out try to make a right
hand turn by turning the bars to the right, but please make sure
there is not a car coming towards you on your left.......
Craig
A18
San Jose, CA
--- In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "rschulte46"
wrote:
>
>
> While surfing the web for information on motorcycle handling I came
> across this page. I get the jist of it. It is not an easy
read...but
> it is very interesting. In CT. we must demonstrate the "swerve" in
> order to get our MC license. A swerve is initiated by the
movement of
> the handle bar in the opposite direct we wish to turn. It
befuddled
> me at first but once I tried it it became quite comfortable. I
> recommend all new riders work on the technique as it is a way to
get
the science behind our steering
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:50 am
by Jud Jones
--- In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Grisanti wrote:
>
> "Countersteering" is what it's called, and though
> counterintuitive as well, it does work...
...except, of course, on shaft-driven bikes.
the science behind our steering
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:44 pm
by scarysharkface
(Okay, I'll bite even though this is probably flame bait) Tell that to
my wife's CX500, which countersteers beautifully...
Countersteering shifts the center of gravity to a place above the
inside of the intended turn, moving it away from being plumb with the
wheels. It forces (pun intended) the rider to turn the wheel in the
intended direction of travel to put the C.G back over the wheels (lest
the bike fall over). It's probably a lot easier to understand from a
pilot's perspective, since there is a fair amount of
thrust/drag/lift/gravity physics involved in keeping something aloft...
John (who can't turn a bike without countersteering)
--- In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud Jones" wrote:
>
> --- In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Grisanti wrote:
> >
> > "Countersteering" is what it's called, and though
> > counterintuitive as well, it does work...
>
> ...except, of course, on shaft-driven bikes.
>
the science behind our steering
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:36 pm
by Todd Larson
Huh? Why would that change any of the physics of
countersteering?
--- Jud Jones wrote:
> --- In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Grisanti
> wrote:
> >
> > "Countersteering" is what it's called, and though
> > counterintuitive as well, it does work...
>
> ...except, of course, on shaft-driven bikes.
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the science behind our steering
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:38 pm
by D Critchley
Is this where the Coriolis effect comes in?
DC
Todd Larson wrote:
> Huh? Why would that change any of the physics of
> countersteering?
>
> --- Jud Jones > wrote:
>
> > --- In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com
> , Stephen Grisanti
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > "Countersteering" is what it's called, and though
> > > counterintuitive as well, it does work...
> >
> > ...except, of course, on shaft-driven bikes.
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the science behind our steering
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:31 pm
by revmaaatin
--- In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "scarysharkface"
wrote:
>
> (Okay, I'll bite even though this is probably flame bait) Tell
that to
> my wife's CX500, which countersteers beautifully...
>
> Countersteering shifts the center of gravity to a place above the
> inside of the intended turn, moving it away from being plumb with
the
> wheels. It forces (pun intended) the rider to turn the wheel in
the
> intended direction of travel to put the C.G back over the wheels
(lest
> the bike fall over). It's probably a lot easier to understand from
a
> pilot's perspective, since there is a fair amount of
> thrust/drag/lift/gravity physics involved in keeping something
aloft...
>
> John (who can't turn a bike without countersteering)
>
Hi John,
Thrust/drag/lift/gravity is a concept that applies to most objects
where aerodynamics is involved, including the beloved KLR. One place
this simple offset of more thrust to over come drag does not apply is
bumblebees and helicopters. With these two aerial-machines, you must
add the other scientific factor of 'magic',' smoke' and 'mirrors.'
If that explanation is not to the liking of our otherwise science-
based audience, there is the alternative explanation: 'Helicopters
are so ugly that the earth repels them.'
Which is of course why helo's and KLR's are so closely related. They
are both so ugly that the earth repels them and explains why so many
are still on the road; A-1 to A-20, still thumping, still repelling
the earth. How else do you explain 0 damage to the bike, and
the 'pilot' gets a broken clavicle, 5 broken ribs and a bruised
lung. The bike is ugly and I am just to 'beautiful' to be riding?
No? I didn't think so either.
revmaaatin.
the science behind our steering
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:42 pm
by Norm Keller
>"Countersteering
Shaft drive bikes can't countersteer.
Norm
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