Wilsons Sandbox

I have an xca model due to the previous owner, I dont think theres any power loss if so its very minimal(no smog pump). i wish i still had all the stuff on it just in case..

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "coolmaduro" wrote: > I just purchased a 2002 KLR650 in California. Out of all the web > sites & message boards that I have visited, I have yet to see anyone > mention a potential power loss from having all of the smog equipment > that is required in California. Has anyone looked at whether there > would be a significant power increase by removing this equipment? Of > course, since it would actually be illegal to do this, I am just > asking hypothetically. Any help would be much appreciated.

> Has anyone looked at whether there > would be a significant power increase by removing this equipment? >

I've recently rejoined this list after a couple year absence. Partly because I've just recently bought my 2nd KLR -- a new 2002 model, and partly because it remains the most "intelligent" motorcyclist email list I've been on. My first KLR, a '99, was a California model. In due coarse, I removed all the smog "stuff" and noticed no perceptible difference in performance. My new KLR is not a California model. Does it run better? Maybe not as well. I used to say my '99 KLR (otherwise stock) carburetion worked perfectly at all altitudes I ride -- 4,000 to 13,000 feet. My '02 KLR (stock) is almost but not quite perfect. But it's good enough I don't need to make changes. I'm betting you will not notice any perceptible performance gain from removing the smog "stuff." But it is one less vacuum line if that's important to you. Not a scientific test, but that's the impression I have. The manuals describe no jetting differences between California and 49 state versions. Verle Nelson Cedaredge, Colorado 2002 KLR650 2002 Buell M2 1969 Rickman Triumph 650 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com] > Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:39:52 -0000 > From: "coolmaduro" > Subject: California Smog > > I just purchased a 2002 KLR650 in California. Out of all the web > sites & message boards that I have visited, I have yet to see anyone > mention a potential power loss from having all of the smog equipment > that is required in California. Has anyone looked at whether there > would be a significant power increase by removing this equipment? Of > course, since it would actually be illegal to do this, I am just > asking hypothetically. Any help would be much appreciated.

Here's a hypothetical reply: I dunno about power loss or gain on the KLR, my suspicion from previous bikes is that it makes zero practical difference. But getting rid of that useless pump creates a neat place to put a toolbox The hypothetical local motorcycle shop that hypothetically 'helped me' decalifornicate my KLR told me that it is perfectly OK for an owner to decalifornicate their own bike but it is illegal for any dealer/bike shop/mechanic to do the work. In theory, that is. HTH, -- Simon PS: BTW, it is *peculiarly* smoggy/foggy/cloudy in San Diego at the moment

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Simon Parry wrote:

>I dunno about power loss or gain on the KLR, my suspicion from previous >bikes is that it makes zero practical difference. But getting rid of that >useless pump creates a neat place to put a toolbox

The CA-spec KLR emission-control setup is an evaporative system and nothing more. The charcoal canister collects vapors from the tank and the they get sucked into the engine when it's running. I've tried sucking on the vapor separator (the only part that connects to the engine itself) and I can't get anything through it. Assuming that it opens up at some point, it might richen the idle a little as it purges the charcoal canister. Then it might lean the idle a little once the canister is free of vapors. Or it might do nothing. Either way, I don't think anyone has noted a difference. If you want to see how the engine would run without the system, simply disconnect the vacuum line that runs from the vapor sep to the carb and cap off the now-vacant vacuum tap on the carb. All of the other hoses either collect vapor, return liquid fuel to the tank, or provide drainage in case something f__ks up. RM

> sites & message boards that I have visited, I have yet to see anyone > mention a potential power loss from having all of the smog equipment > that is required in California. Has anyone looked at whether there > would be a significant power increase by removing this equipment? Of

DeCalifornication Procedures: http://klr6500.tripod.com/decalif.htm Mark Glitter is coined to meet the moment's rage; Genuine lives on from age to age. - Goethe's "Faust" KLR650 Motorcycle Pages: http://klr6500.tripod.com/ HomePage: http://home.adelphia.net/~msaint/index.html My Adelphia Email can be "iffy." If you don't get a response, please try: KLR6500@...

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Mark St.Hilaire, Sr" wrote:

> > sites & message boards that I have visited, I have yet to see

anyone

> > mention a potential power loss from having all of the smog

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> > that is required in California. Has anyone looked at whether

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> > would be a significant power increase by removing this equipment?

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> > DeCalifornication Procedures: > http://klr6500.tripod.com/decalif.htm > > Mark > > >

Thanks everyone for the input. I decided to keep the smog equipment on the bike, although, the idea of the first aid kit is a good one. Besides, it sounds like Simon is noticing serious smog conditions in San Diego and I certainly would not want to contribute to making matters worse. Thanks again. Mark

Does the smog equipment really make the bike run cleaner? And do Cal bikes have to pass a smog inspection every year? Karl A14

> Thanks everyone for the input. I decided to keep the smog equipment > on the bike, although, the idea of the first aid kit is a good one. > Besides, it sounds like Simon is noticing serious smog conditions in > San Diego and I certainly would not want to contribute to making > matters worse. > > Thanks again. > Mark > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy > of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, KJ wrote:

>Does the smog equipment really make the bike run cleaner? And do Cal >bikes have to pass a smog inspection every year?

The smog equipment is simply an evaporative system. It has little or no impact on what comes out of the tailpipe. The idea is to trap tank vapor and eventually burn it rather than venting it to the atmosphere. Presently, there is no smog inspection for bikes in CA. RM PS. One more thing... The coppery haze that hangs over the LA basin was written about long before the area had become industrialized. It's great hoax for altering the residents voting behavior, played by Mother Nature.