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rough running
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:24 pm
by joelprude
greetings all. for about the 6th time my new '06 with 325 mil started
right up and ran fine at 60 degrees f, but after 10 miles of easy
riding wouldn't run
at less than 2000 rpm and not strongly above. it eventually quit and
after 5 minutes reluctantly started. it similarly quit twice more
before home. i pulled off the tank and there was gas in the carb line.
the plug was sooted and after cleaning it wouldn't start except with
much carressing of the throttle and wouldn't idle. the choke was
definitely off. i waited till the next day when it was cold and again
it wouldn't start. since was warrented, i trailered it to a dealer who
looked at it the next day and reported that it started and ran fine and
that he could only guess that there might have been something in the
carb. since he found nothing wrong, he fixed nothing and i believe that
it will happen again. any ideas?
rough running
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:27 pm
by Rodney Copeland
My Pop once told me:
Use it or loose it!
If you don't ride much, you'll have these sort of problems.
Gives me a good excuse for my thou a month,
Rod,,,,thinkin it's the carb loaded too
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DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "joelprude" wrote:
>
> greetings all. for about the 6th time my new '06 with 325 mil
started
> right up and ran fine at 60 degrees f, but after 10 miles of easy
> riding wouldn't run
> at less than 2000 rpm and not strongly above. it eventually quit
and
> after 5 minutes reluctantly started. it similarly quit twice more
> before home. i pulled off the tank and there was gas in the carb
line.
> the plug was sooted and after cleaning it wouldn't start except
with
> much carressing of the throttle and wouldn't idle. the choke was
> definitely off. i waited till the next day when it was cold and
again
> it wouldn't start. since was warrented, i trailered it to a dealer
who
> looked at it the next day and reported that it started and ran fine
and
> that he could only guess that there might have been something in
the
> carb. since he found nothing wrong, he fixed nothing and i believe
that
> it will happen again. any ideas?
>
rough running
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:30 pm
by Blake Sobiloff
On Jan 6, 2006, at 12:23 PM, joelprude wrote:
> since was warrented, i trailered it to a dealer who
> looked at it the next day and reported that it started and ran fine
> and
> that he could only guess that there might have been something in the
> carb. since he found nothing wrong, he fixed nothing and i believe
> that
> it will happen again. any ideas?
Ride around the block at the shop until it dies and roll it back to
them?
--
Blake Sobiloff
http://sobiloff.typepad.com/>
San Jose, CA (USA)
rough running
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:42 pm
by Mike Frey
I was thinking something similar - stay close to the dealer, then take
it back when it stalls out. Glad I have a good dealer nearby, happier
still that I have had zero problems with my bike.
Since the spark plug is sooty, that's an indicator of running too rich,
so..... taking some guesses now:
- Float bowl level too high..?
- choke stuck (how well does it start when the engine is cold?)
- stuck needle jet
Blake Sobiloff wrote:
rough running
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:49 pm
by Conall
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DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "joelprude" wrote:
>
> greetings all. for about the 6th time my new '06 with 325 mil started
> right up and ran fine at 60 degrees f, but after 10 miles of easy
> riding wouldn't run
> at less than 2000 rpm and not strongly above. it eventually quit and
> after 5 minutes reluctantly started. it similarly quit twice more
> before home. i pulled off the tank and there was gas in the carb line.
> the plug was sooted and after cleaning it wouldn't start except with
> much carressing of the throttle and wouldn't idle. the choke was
> definitely off. i waited till the next day when it was cold and again
> it wouldn't start. since was warrented, i trailered it to a dealer who
> looked at it the next day and reported that it started and ran fine and
> that he could only guess that there might have been something in the
> carb. since he found nothing wrong, he fixed nothing and i believe that
> it will happen again. any ideas?
>
I'm suspecting bad gas and/or a dirty carb. If it's been hard to start
lately you need to put your battery on a battery tender/charger to
keep it charged up, if you haven't already done so. The start/run
problem should work itself out, although if it is a dirty carb then
that will be a little more involved. Good luck with the dealer and
warranty . Hopefully if you bring it to the dealer, the symptom will
present itself. If you can't get the symptom to present itself when
you take it in for warranty and the dealer starts talking about
non-warranty coverage- don't freak out and get pissed. The list will
help you if the dealer balks in doing it. . Just trying to think about
what could happen, hope this helps. It's possible that if it only
fails for you and not the dealer, next thing you know he says it's
your fault for wearing down the battery, yada yada , couldn't
duplicate the problem, you owe us $150 yada yada, make sure you don't
authorize any work to be paid by you. yada yada.
Conall
rough running
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:29 pm
by Mike Frey
We can help. Your bike should not be behaving like this - especially
with such low mileage.
1) Did the problem start gradually, or suddenly?
2) When the bike is cold (hasn't been run for a day or more), does it
start up easily? ( I am assuming that the answer to this is "yes" since
you say it runs fine for the first 10 miles)
3) How well does it run for those first 10 miles, after it's up and
running? Seem normal?
4) When you describe the spark plug as sooted, do you mean it's
blackened rather than the normal golden brown appearance?
5) Stick your finger in the exhaust pipe hole when it's cold - does your
finger come out blackened or dirty, or does it look clean in there?
6) There is a pink colored vent tube running from your carb to the
swingarm area. Follow this up and make sure it's not pinched shut somewhere.
joelprude wrote:
> greetings all. for about the 6th time my new '06 with 325 mil started
>right up and ran fine at 60 degrees f, but after 10 miles of easy
>riding wouldn't run
>at less than 2000 rpm and not strongly above. it eventually quit and
>after 5 minutes reluctantly started. it similarly quit twice more
>before home. i pulled off the tank and there was gas in the carb line.
>the plug was sooted and after cleaning it wouldn't start except with
>much carressing of the throttle and wouldn't idle. the choke was
>definitely off. i waited till the next day when it was cold and again
>it wouldn't start. since was warrented, i trailered it to a dealer who
>looked at it the next day and reported that it started and ran fine and
>that he could only guess that there might have been something in the
>carb. since he found nothing wrong, he fixed nothing and i believe that
>it will happen again. any ideas?
>
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rough running
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:58 pm
by wannabsmooth1
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DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "joelprude" wrote:
>
> greetings all. for about the 6th time my new '06 with 325 mil started
> right up and ran fine at 60 degrees f, but after 10 miles of easy
> riding wouldn't run
> at less than 2000 rpm and not strongly above. it eventually quit and
> after 5 minutes reluctantly started. it similarly quit twice more
> before home. i pulled off the tank and there was gas in the carb line.
> the plug was sooted and after cleaning it wouldn't start except with
> much carressing of the throttle and wouldn't idle. the choke was
> definitely off. i waited till the next day when it was cold and again
> it wouldn't start. since was warrented, i trailered it to a dealer who
> looked at it the next day and reported that it started and ran fine and
> that he could only guess that there might have been something in the
> carb. since he found nothing wrong, he fixed nothing and i believe that
> it will happen again. any ideas?
>
Something that often happens is a very small piece of dirt or metal
on/in the float needle seat. I've seen several bikes that started ok
when cold, but very rich and hard to start when warm. It's hard to see
sometimes, it's so small..............It's hard to do a really good
job on the diagnosis, not being there..........
all the best,
Mike
rough running
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:31 am
by Steven and Christina Wilkins
Take a close look at #6 from Mike Frey. About a month after doing the vent
tube mod, my new '04 did the same thing you described. After 25 miles of
riding it began to misbehave, wouldn't run under 2,000 rpm, was hard to
restart.... It turned out that where I had fumbled with the vent tubes,
one had gotten up against the back side of the exhaust pipe and melted shut.
Once I replaced the tube, the problem was gone.
Steve W.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Frey"
To: "joelprude"
Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] rough running
> We can help. Your bike should not be behaving like this - especially
> with such low mileage.
>
> 1) Did the problem start gradually, or suddenly?
>
> 2) When the bike is cold (hasn't been run for a day or more), does it
> start up easily? ( I am assuming that the answer to this is "yes" since
> you say it runs fine for the first 10 miles)
>
> 3) How well does it run for those first 10 miles, after it's up and
> running? Seem normal?
>
> 4) When you describe the spark plug as sooted, do you mean it's
> blackened rather than the normal golden brown appearance?
>
> 5) Stick your finger in the exhaust pipe hole when it's cold - does your
> finger come out blackened or dirty, or does it look clean in there?
>
> 6) There is a pink colored vent tube running from your carb to the
> swingarm area. Follow this up and make sure it's not pinched shut
somewhere.
>
> joelprude wrote:
>
> > greetings all. for about the 6th time my new '06 with 325 mil started
> >right up and ran fine at 60 degrees f, but after 10 miles of easy
> >riding wouldn't run
> >at less than 2000 rpm and not strongly above. it eventually quit and
> >after 5 minutes reluctantly started. it similarly quit twice more
> >before home. i pulled off the tank and there was gas in the carb line.
> >the plug was sooted and after cleaning it wouldn't start except with
> >much carressing of the throttle and wouldn't idle. the choke was
> >definitely off. i waited till the next day when it was cold and again
> >it wouldn't start. since was warrented, i trailered it to a dealer who
> >looked at it the next day and reported that it started and ran fine and
> >that he could only guess that there might have been something in the
> >carb. since he found nothing wrong, he fixed nothing and i believe that
> >it will happen again. any ideas?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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rough running
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:03 pm
by Mike Frey
I learned my lesson the hard way. I was riding by myself deep in the forest
and the bike stopped after riding through a mud puddle.
Even though I knew about the "T" mod, it took me a while to check that - I
was thinking you had to be in really deep water to cause a problem. The vent
tube had picked up a glob of mud and clogged. After clearing it, it ran fine
again.
The T mod (in my case, I did a "Y" mod) was my first change to my KLR.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven and Christina Wilkins"
To: "joelprude"
Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] rough running
> Take a close look at #6 from Mike Frey. About a month after doing the
> vent
> tube mod, my new '04 did the same thing you described. After 25 miles of
> riding it began to misbehave, wouldn't run under 2,000 rpm, was hard to
> restart.... It turned out that where I had fumbled with the vent tubes,
> one had gotten up against the back side of the exhaust pipe and melted
> shut.
> Once I replaced the tube, the problem was gone.
> Steve W.
>
rough running
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:09 pm
by Rodney Copeland
I tried a T.
The tubing seemed to wanna kink.
I'm thinkin the Y allows better routing.
Rod
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DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Frey" wrote:
>
>
> I learned my lesson the hard way. I was riding by myself deep in
the forest
> and the bike stopped after riding through a mud puddle.
>
> Even though I knew about the "T" mod, it took me a while to check
that - I
> was thinking you had to be in really deep water to cause a problem.
The vent
> tube had picked up a glob of mud and clogged. After clearing it, it
ran fine
> again.
>
> The T mod (in my case, I did a "Y" mod) was my first change to my
KLR.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven and Christina Wilkins"
> To: "joelprude"
> Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] rough running
>
>
> > Take a close look at #6 from Mike Frey. About a month after
doing the
> > vent
> > tube mod, my new '04 did the same thing you described. After 25
miles of
> > riding it began to misbehave, wouldn't run under 2,000 rpm, was
hard to
> > restart.... It turned out that where I had fumbled with the
vent tubes,
> > one had gotten up against the back side of the exhaust pipe and
melted
> > shut.
> > Once I replaced the tube, the problem was gone.
> > Steve W.
> >
>