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On Saturday, August 6, 2005, at 09:44 PM, Kip C. Anderson wrote: > I really don't see the point in even making the arguement about noise > and > 'giving motorcyclists a bad name'. The fact is: You can choose to > make > your bike noisy or not, but whichever you decide, somebody else will > do it, > and people will make their judgements based upon THEM - not > necessarily YOU. > > Your conscience should be your guide, not what people who don't even > know > you think - unless of course your noise levels violate your local > statutes, > in which case it's between you and law enforcement. > > Frankly, my KLR has seen nearly 60,000 miles on the stock system and > will > probably end up a little noisier at some point in the near future > because > yes, it can reduce accidents. I'll grant that statistics may not > support > it, but for that brief moment I move through a blind spot, a louder > exhaust > provides an additional clue to the Last Minute Larry's who would change > lanes into me that they better look around a little more thoroughly > before > doing it. > > - > Kip > Eugene, OR > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Ryder" > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 7:58 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: I'd like louder exhaust, no jetting. > Impossible? > (probably NKLR) > > >> Thanks for the reply. For the record I'm fairly learned and >> comfortable in my ethics. My query was meant to be more of a >> technical one and not a political/ethical one. I probably shouldn't >> have even mentioned "why" I want my bike louder as that really may >> have clouded the point of the post. >> >> I realize the politically correct crowd is well intentioned and >> appreciate their efforts to attempt to make the world a better place >> for us all, opposite people who see the world burning and sit back >> and do nothing and say nothing; I mean that in all sincerity. At the >> same time I personally prefer to confine my own discussions of >> politics and ethics to threads dedicated thereto rather then >> potentially bog down every single thread in topics nowhere near what >> the originator intended to discuss. For that reason in the future >> when I ask something like how to make my KLR louder and get multiple >> responses that assume I haven't thoroughly considered all ethical >> ramifications at length and need assistance in determining how to be >> a good person, I will probably ignore such off-topic replies. I >> truly do not mean to be offensive. I just want to explain why I will >> may not respond to such replies in the future, and move on from there. >> >> I typically participate in good ethical debates in threads of their >> own. I am an avid amateur herpitologist (I keep and breed reptiles) >> and have posted to rec.pets.herp on usenet for...easily 15 years+. >> As you might imagine I am not new to newsgroup ethical debates, but I >> believe they have their place and time lest newsgroups will prove >> utterly useless as a wasteland for flames not unlike hell itself. >> >> Again, I appreciate your taking the time to reply to me. All the >> best... >> >> PS - I wasn't going to reply to this however I'm getting some replies >> sent to me personally and wanted to answer everyone in one shot. >> >> -Bill R. > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

On Saturday, August 6, 2005, at 09:44 PM, Kip C. Anderson wrote: > I really don't see the point in even making the arguement about noise > and > 'giving motorcyclists a bad name'. The fact is: You can choose to > make > your bike noisy or not, but whichever you decide, somebody else will > do it, > and people will make their judgements based upon THEM - not > necessarily YOU. > > Your conscience should be your guide, not what people who don't even > know > you think - unless of course your noise levels violate your local > statutes, > in which case it's between you and law enforcement. > > Frankly, my KLR has seen nearly 60,000 miles on the stock system and > will > probably end up a little noisier at some point in the near future > because > yes, it can reduce accidents. I'll grant that statistics may not > support > it, but for that brief moment I move through a blind spot, a louder > exhaust > provides an additional clue to the Last Minute Larry's who would change > lanes into me that they better look around a little more thoroughly > before > doing it. > > - > Kip > Eugene, OR > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Ryder" > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 7:58 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: I'd like louder exhaust, no jetting. > Impossible? > (probably NKLR) > > >> Thanks for the reply. For the record I'm fairly learned and >> comfortable in my ethics. My query was meant to be more of a >> technical one and not a political/ethical one. I probably shouldn't >> have even mentioned "why" I want my bike louder as that really may >> have clouded the point of the post. >> >> I realize the politically correct crowd is well intentioned and >> appreciate their efforts to attempt to make the world a better place >> for us all, opposite people who see the world burning and sit back >> and do nothing and say nothing; I mean that in all sincerity. At the >> same time I personally prefer to confine my own discussions of >> politics and ethics to threads dedicated thereto rather then >> potentially bog down every single thread in topics nowhere near what >> the originator intended to discuss. For that reason in the future >> when I ask something like how to make my KLR louder and get multiple >> responses that assume I haven't thoroughly considered all ethical >> ramifications at length and need assistance in determining how to be >> a good person, I will probably ignore such off-topic replies. I >> truly do not mean to be offensive. I just want to explain why I will >> may not respond to such replies in the future, and move on from there. >> >> I typically participate in good ethical debates in threads of their >> own. I am an avid amateur herpitologist (I keep and breed reptiles) >> and have posted to rec.pets.herp on usenet for...easily 15 years+. >> As you might imagine I am not new to newsgroup ethical debates, but I >> believe they have their place and time lest newsgroups will prove >> utterly useless as a wasteland for flames not unlike hell itself. >> >> Again, I appreciate your taking the time to reply to me. All the >> best... >> >> PS - I wasn't going to reply to this however I'm getting some replies >> sent to me personally and wanted to answer everyone in one shot. >> >> -Bill R. > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Yahoo! Groups Links

On Saturday, August 6, 2005, at 09:44 PM, Kip C. Anderson wrote: > I really don't see the point in even making the arguement about noise > and > 'giving motorcyclists a bad name'. The fact is: You can choose to > make > your bike noisy or not, but whichever you decide, somebody else will > do it, > and people will make their judgements based upon THEM - not > necessarily YOU. > > Your conscience should be your guide, not what people who don't even > know > you think - unless of course your noise levels violate your local > statutes, > in which case it's between you and law enforcement. > > Frankly, my KLR has seen nearly 60,000 miles on the stock system and > will > probably end up a little noisier at some point in the near future > because > yes, it can reduce accidents. I'll grant that statistics may not > support > it, but for that brief moment I move through a blind spot, a louder > exhaust > provides an additional clue to the Last Minute Larry's who would change > lanes into me that they better look around a little more thoroughly > before > doing it. > > - > Kip > Eugene, OR > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Ryder" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 7:58 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: I'd like louder exhaust, no jetting. > Impossible? > (probably NKLR) > > >> Thanks for the reply. For the record I'm fairly learned and >> comfortable in my ethics. My query was meant to be more of a >> technical one and not a political/ethical one. I probably shouldn't >> have even mentioned "why" I want my bike louder as that really may >> have clouded the point of the post. >> >> I realize the politically correct crowd is well intentioned and >> appreciate their efforts to attempt to make the world a better place >> for us all, opposite people who see the world burning and sit back >> and do nothing and say nothing; I mean that in all sincerity. At the >> same time I personally prefer to confine my own discussions of >> politics and ethics to threads dedicated thereto rather then >> potentially bog down every single thread in topics nowhere near what >> the originator intended to discuss. For that reason in the future >> when I ask something like how to make my KLR louder and get multiple >> responses that assume I haven't thoroughly considered all ethical >> ramifications at length and need assistance in determining how to be >> a good person, I will probably ignore such off-topic replies. I >> truly do not mean to be offensive. I just want to explain why I will >> may not respond to such replies in the future, and move on from there. >> >> I typically participate in good ethical debates in threads of their >> own. I am an avid amateur herpitologist (I keep and breed reptiles) >> and have posted to rec.pets.herp on usenet for...easily 15 years+. >> As you might imagine I am not new to newsgroup ethical debates, but I >> believe they have their place and time lest newsgroups will prove >> utterly useless as a wasteland for flames not unlike hell itself. >> >> Again, I appreciate your taking the time to reply to me. All the >> best... >> >> PS - I wasn't going to reply to this however I'm getting some replies >> sent to me personally and wanted to answer everyone in one shot. >> >> -Bill R. > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Sunday, August 7, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Rick McCauley wrote: > Loud pipes can just as easily scare an elderly person at the last > minute, and make them react in a negative way. The best way to avoid > an accident is to ride passively, and defensively. In other words, > keep your eyes open, and constantly scanning. If a jerk does something > stupid, let him have his way. You may be right, but don't be dead > right. How many times has someone been a real bone head, and you think > to yourself; where's a cop when you want one? Sometimes I wish I had a > Vickers .50 cal. machine gun on my vehicle. > > Rick A17 > > Ron Criswell wrote: > People will hate me but I agree on the noise in the blind spot. I > always know where that Harley is in that blind spot. > > Criswell > On Saturday, August 6, 2005, at 09:44 PM, Kip C. Anderson wrote: > >> I really don't see the point in even making the arguement about noise >> and >> 'giving motorcyclists a bad name'. The fact is: You can choose to >> make >> your bike noisy or not, but whichever you decide, somebody else will >> do it, >> and people will make their judgements based upon THEM - not >> necessarily YOU. >> >> Your conscience should be your guide, not what people who don't even >> know >> you think - unless of course your noise levels violate your local >> statutes, >> in which case it's between you and law enforcement. >> >> Frankly, my KLR has seen nearly 60,000 miles on the stock system and >> will >> probably end up a little noisier at some point in the near future >> because >> yes, it can reduce accidents. I'll grant that statistics may not >> support >> it, but for that brief moment I move through a blind spot, a louder >> exhaust >> provides an additional clue to the Last Minute Larry's who would >> change >> lanes into me that they better look around a little more thoroughly >> before >> doing it. >> >> - >> Kip >> Eugene, OR >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bill Ryder" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 7:58 PM >> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: I'd like louder exhaust, no jetting. >> Impossible? >> (probably NKLR) >> >> >>> Thanks for the reply. For the record I'm fairly learned and >>> comfortable in my ethics. My query was meant to be more of a >>> technical one and not a political/ethical one. I probably shouldn't >>> have even mentioned "why" I want my bike louder as that really may >>> have clouded the point of the post. >>> >>> I realize the politically correct crowd is well intentioned and >>> appreciate their efforts to attempt to make the world a better place >>> for us all, opposite people who see the world burning and sit back >>> and do nothing and say nothing; I mean that in all sincerity. At the >>> same time I personally prefer to confine my own discussions of >>> politics and ethics to threads dedicated thereto rather then >>> potentially bog down every single thread in topics nowhere near what >>> the originator intended to discuss. For that reason in the future >>> when I ask something like how to make my KLR louder and get multiple >>> responses that assume I haven't thoroughly considered all ethical >>> ramifications at length and need assistance in determining how to be >>> a good person, I will probably ignore such off-topic replies. I >>> truly do not mean to be offensive. I just want to explain why I will >>> may not respond to such replies in the future, and move on from >>> there. >>> >>> I typically participate in good ethical debates in threads of their >>> own. I am an avid amateur herpitologist (I keep and breed reptiles) >>> and have posted to rec.pets.herp on usenet for...easily 15 years+. >>> As you might imagine I am not new to newsgroup ethical debates, but I >>> believe they have their place and time lest newsgroups will prove >>> utterly useless as a wasteland for flames not unlike hell itself. >>> >>> Again, I appreciate your taking the time to reply to me. All the >>> best... >>> >>> PS - I wasn't going to reply to this however I'm getting some replies >>> sent to me personally and wanted to answer everyone in one shot. >>> >>> -Bill R. >> >> >> >> Archive Quicksearch at: >> http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >> List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >> List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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On 8/7/05, Ron Criswell wrote: > I once was considering getting back into street riding but was hesitant > about getting run over (again). A guy that used to work on my bike and > built up race bikes just said "Go faster than the cages and you won't > get run over." Some truth to that. Get out and away from traffic and > keep a pocket of air (as much as you can) seems to me the best way to > go. I think if you ride slow and careful you will get run over. Jes my > theory. > > Criswell > On Sunday, August 7, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Rick McCauley wrote: > > > Loud pipes can just as easily scare an elderly person at the last > > minute, and make them react in a negative way. The best way to avoid > > an accident is to ride passively, and defensively. In other words, > > keep your eyes open, and constantly scanning. If a jerk does something > > stupid, let him have his way. You may be right, but don't be dead > > right. How many times has someone been a real bone head, and you think > > to yourself; where's a cop when you want one? Sometimes I wish I had a > > Vickers .50 cal. machine gun on my vehicle. > > > > Rick A17 > > > > Ron Criswell wrote: > > People will hate me but I agree on the noise in the blind spot. I > > always know where that Harley is in that blind spot. > > > > Criswell > > On Saturday, August 6, 2005, at 09:44 PM, Kip C. Anderson wrote: > > > >> I really don't see the point in even making the arguement about noise > >> and > >> 'giving motorcyclists a bad name'. The fact is: You can choose to > >> make > >> your bike noisy or not, but whichever you decide, somebody else will > >> do it, > >> and people will make their judgements based upon THEM - not > >> necessarily YOU. > >> > >> Your conscience should be your guide, not what people who don't even > >> know > >> you think - unless of course your noise levels violate your local > >> statutes, > >> in which case it's between you and law enforcement. > >> > >> Frankly, my KLR has seen nearly 60,000 miles on the stock system and > >> will > >> probably end up a little noisier at some point in the near future > >> because > >> yes, it can reduce accidents. I'll grant that statistics may not > >> support > >> it, but for that brief moment I move through a blind spot, a louder > >> exhaust > >> provides an additional clue to the Last Minute Larry's who would > >> change > >> lanes into me that they better look around a little more thoroughly > >> before > >> doing it. > >> > >> - > >> Kip > >> Eugene, OR > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Bill Ryder" > >> To: > >> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 7:58 PM > >> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: I'd like louder exhaust, no jetting. > >> Impossible? > >> (probably NKLR) > >> > >> > >>> Thanks for the reply. For the record I'm fairly learned and > >>> comfortable in my ethics. My query was meant to be more of a > >>> technical one and not a political/ethical one. I probably shouldn't > >>> have even mentioned "why" I want my bike louder as that really may > >>> have clouded the point of the post. > >>> > >>> I realize the politically correct crowd is well intentioned and > >>> appreciate their efforts to attempt to make the world a better place > >>> for us all, opposite people who see the world burning and sit back > >>> and do nothing and say nothing; I mean that in all sincerity. At the > >>> same time I personally prefer to confine my own discussions of > >>> politics and ethics to threads dedicated thereto rather then > >>> potentially bog down every single thread in topics nowhere near what > >>> the originator intended to discuss. For that reason in the future > >>> when I ask something like how to make my KLR louder and get multiple > >>> responses that assume I haven't thoroughly considered all ethical > >>> ramifications at length and need assistance in determining how to be > >>> a good person, I will probably ignore such off-topic replies. I > >>> truly do not mean to be offensive. I just want to explain why I will > >>> may not respond to such replies in the future, and move on from > >>> there. > >>> > >>> I typically participate in good ethical debates in threads of their > >>> own. I am an avid amateur herpitologist (I keep and breed reptiles) > >>> and have posted to rec.pets.herp on usenet for...easily 15 years+. > >>> As you might imagine I am not new to newsgroup ethical debates, but I > >>> believe they have their place and time lest newsgroups will prove > >>> utterly useless as a wasteland for flames not unlike hell itself. > >>> > >>> Again, I appreciate your taking the time to reply to me. All the > >>> best... > >>> > >>> PS - I wasn't going to reply to this however I'm getting some replies > >>> sent to me personally and wanted to answer everyone in one shot. > >>> > >>> -Bill R. > >> > >> > >> > >> Archive Quicksearch at: > >> http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > >> List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > >> List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > >> > >> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

On Sunday, August 7, 2005, at 01:13 PM, Chris wrote: > Exactly. A generalization for sure, but most of the open pipe types > that I notice in my blind spot are hanging there below the pace of > traffic and keeping me from changing lanes when I should be able to. > A rider doesn't belong in a blind spot to begin with, with about the > only exception being a bumper to bumper jam on a freeway. > > I use my gas between cars and make damn sure I'm not where I shouldn't > be. I don't need loud pipes to alert people to my driving mistakes. > I keep myself safe and don't rely on the other drivers to do so. > > I just got home after riding behind Joe Electraglide with open pipes > and doing about five under the limit obstructing traffic. Of course > he had to sit there revving out the throttle at each stop too. All > that does is piss off the public. > > The _one_ loud bike that takes off down the highway here is the one > that I notice and it sticks in my mind, just consider what the > non-riding public thinks. > > On 8/7/05, Ron Criswell wrote: >> I once was considering getting back into street riding but was >> hesitant >> about getting run over (again). A guy that used to work on my bike and >> built up race bikes just said "Go faster than the cages and you won't >> get run over." Some truth to that. Get out and away from traffic and >> keep a pocket of air (as much as you can) seems to me the best way to >> go. I think if you ride slow and careful you will get run over. Jes my >> theory. >> >> Criswell >> On Sunday, August 7, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Rick McCauley wrote: >> >>> Loud pipes can just as easily scare an elderly person at the last >>> minute, and make them react in a negative way. The best way to avoid >>> an accident is to ride passively, and defensively. In other words, >>> keep your eyes open, and constantly scanning. If a jerk does >>> something >>> stupid, let him have his way. You may be right, but don't be dead >>> right. How many times has someone been a real bone head, and you >>> think >>> to yourself; where's a cop when you want one? Sometimes I wish I had >>> a >>> Vickers .50 cal. machine gun on my vehicle. >>> >>> Rick A17 >>> >>> Ron Criswell wrote: >>> People will hate me but I agree on the noise in the blind spot. I >>> always know where that Harley is in that blind spot. >>> >>> Criswell >>> On Saturday, August 6, 2005, at 09:44 PM, Kip C. Anderson wrote: >>> >>>> I really don't see the point in even making the arguement about >>>> noise >>>> and >>>> 'giving motorcyclists a bad name'. The fact is: You can choose to >>>> make >>>> your bike noisy or not, but whichever you decide, somebody else will >>>> do it, >>>> and people will make their judgements based upon THEM - not >>>> necessarily YOU. >>>> >>>> Your conscience should be your guide, not what people who don't even >>>> know >>>> you think - unless of course your noise levels violate your local >>>> statutes, >>>> in which case it's between you and law enforcement. >>>> >>>> Frankly, my KLR has seen nearly 60,000 miles on the stock system and >>>> will >>>> probably end up a little noisier at some point in the near future >>>> because >>>> yes, it can reduce accidents. I'll grant that statistics may not >>>> support >>>> it, but for that brief moment I move through a blind spot, a louder >>>> exhaust >>>> provides an additional clue to the Last Minute Larry's who would >>>> change >>>> lanes into me that they better look around a little more thoroughly >>>> before >>>> doing it. >>>> >>>> - >>>> Kip >>>> Eugene, OR >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Bill Ryder" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 7:58 PM >>>> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: I'd like louder exhaust, no jetting. >>>> Impossible? >>>> (probably NKLR) >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks for the reply. For the record I'm fairly learned and >>>>> comfortable in my ethics. My query was meant to be more of a >>>>> technical one and not a political/ethical one. I probably shouldn't >>>>> have even mentioned "why" I want my bike louder as that really may >>>>> have clouded the point of the post. >>>>> >>>>> I realize the politically correct crowd is well intentioned and >>>>> appreciate their efforts to attempt to make the world a better >>>>> place >>>>> for us all, opposite people who see the world burning and sit back >>>>> and do nothing and say nothing; I mean that in all sincerity. At >>>>> the >>>>> same time I personally prefer to confine my own discussions of >>>>> politics and ethics to threads dedicated thereto rather then >>>>> potentially bog down every single thread in topics nowhere near >>>>> what >>>>> the originator intended to discuss. For that reason in the future >>>>> when I ask something like how to make my KLR louder and get >>>>> multiple >>>>> responses that assume I haven't thoroughly considered all ethical >>>>> ramifications at length and need assistance in determining how to >>>>> be >>>>> a good person, I will probably ignore such off-topic replies. I >>>>> truly do not mean to be offensive. I just want to explain why I >>>>> will >>>>> may not respond to such replies in the future, and move on from >>>>> there. >>>>> >>>>> I typically participate in good ethical debates in threads of their >>>>> own. I am an avid amateur herpitologist (I keep and breed reptiles) >>>>> and have posted to rec.pets.herp on usenet for...easily 15 years+. >>>>> As you might imagine I am not new to newsgroup ethical debates, >>>>> but I >>>>> believe they have their place and time lest newsgroups will prove >>>>> utterly useless as a wasteland for flames not unlike hell itself. >>>>> >>>>> Again, I appreciate your taking the time to reply to me. All the >>>>> best... >>>>> >>>>> PS - I wasn't going to reply to this however I'm getting some >>>>> replies >>>>> sent to me personally and wanted to answer everyone in one shot. >>>>> >>>>> -Bill R. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Archive Quicksearch at: >>>> http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >>>> List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >>>> List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >>>> >>>> >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Archive Quicksearch at: >>> http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >>> List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >>> List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>> Archive Quicksearch at: >>> http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >>> List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >>> List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! 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----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Ryder" To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: Ethics and Bad Name Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: I'd like louder exhaust, no jetting. Impossible? (probably NKLR) > Now we're getting at solutions! Communicate to the public about why > we want loud, and start fitting bikes with a quiet/loud dohickey. > Come on you "please keep your bike non-offensive" people. Take that > frown and turn it up-side-down. The sky is not falling. We just > need social innovation. > > Now get me talking about global warming and my argument would take a > 180 degree turn. There is no solution that includes dumping whatever > you want, whenever you want into the environment. But loud bikes > aren't causing cancer and disease. > > Hey, you guys started it. Hate to see what emails I get if I ask how > to change the oil. "Someone might see you changing the oil and > assume you'll pour it down the drain; only qulified cycle techs at > dealerships should change oil." (Am I endearing you guys to > myself, or starting to P*** everyone off...yet? Talking mainly to > the PC crew. I'm sure the loud exhaust guys are laughing...or at > least not P***ed off. > > > -Bill I think it pisses them off when I refer to the stock exhaust as sounding like a "sewing machine." I should refrain from doing that. After all, we have a certain fondness for our KLR's, and nobody likes having it equated with a sewing machine. Even though it does sound like one. heheheheheheh, ed A17

On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 08:01:04PM -0700, Ed Chait wrote: : I think it pisses them off when I refer to the stock exhaust as sounding : like a "sewing machine." I should refrain from doing that. Damn right! It doesn't sound like a sewing machine (that's a BMW K-bike). The stock KLR exhaust sounds like a lawn mower. Unless you've got a tweety, then it sounds like an old VW bug. BTW, am I allowed to dislike loud pipes, think they're a Bad Idea, and not be PC? Or does one necessarily imply the other? I just want to know so I can figure out if I need to get another patch for my riding jacket. -- Cloyce A13 (VW-style) in Austin

> Loud pipes can just as easily scare an elderly person at the last

> > Rick A17 > > Ron Criswell wrote: > People will hate me but I agree on the noise in the blind spot. I > always know where that Harley is in that blind spot. > > Criswell > On Saturday, August 6, 2005, at 09:44 PM, Kip C. Anderson wrote: > > > I really don't see the point in even making the arguement about

> > and > > 'giving motorcyclists a bad name'. The fact is: You can choose to > > make > > your bike noisy or not, but whichever you decide, somebody else

> > do it, > > and people will make their judgements based upon THEM - not > > necessarily YOU. > > > > Your conscience should be your guide, not what people who don't

> > know > > you think - unless of course your noise levels violate your local > > statutes, > > in which case it's between you and law enforcement. > > > > Frankly, my KLR has seen nearly 60,000 miles on the stock system

> > will > > probably end up a little noisier at some point in the near future > > because > > yes, it can reduce accidents. I'll grant that statistics may not > > support > > it, but for that brief moment I move through a blind spot, a

> > exhaust > > provides an additional clue to the Last Minute Larry's who would

> > lanes into me that they better look around a little more

> > before > > doing it. > > > > - > > Kip > > Eugene, OR > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Ryder" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 7:58 PM > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: I'd like louder exhaust, no jetting. > > Impossible? > > (probably NKLR) > > > > > >> Thanks for the reply. For the record I'm fairly learned and > >> comfortable in my ethics. My query was meant to be more of a > >> technical one and not a political/ethical one. I probably

> >> have even mentioned "why" I want my bike louder as that really

> >> have clouded the point of the post. > >> > >> I realize the politically correct crowd is well intentioned and > >> appreciate their efforts to attempt to make the world a better

> >> for us all, opposite people who see the world burning and sit

> >> and do nothing and say nothing; I mean that in all sincerity. At

> >> same time I personally prefer to confine my own discussions of > >> politics and ethics to threads dedicated thereto rather then > >> potentially bog down every single thread in topics nowhere near

> >> the originator intended to discuss. For that reason in the future > >> when I ask something like how to make my KLR louder and get

> >> responses that assume I haven't thoroughly considered all ethical > >> ramifications at length and need assistance in determining how

> >> a good person, I will probably ignore such off-topic replies. I > >> truly do not mean to be offensive. I just want to explain why I

> >> may not respond to such replies in the future, and move on from

> >> > >> I typically participate in good ethical debates in threads of

> >> own. I am an avid amateur herpitologist (I keep and breed

> >> and have posted to rec.pets.herp on usenet for...easily 15

> >> As you might imagine I am not new to newsgroup ethical debates,

> >> believe they have their place and time lest newsgroups will prove > >> utterly useless as a wasteland for flames not unlike hell itself. > >> > >> Again, I appreciate your taking the time to reply to me. All the > >> best... > >> > >> PS - I wasn't going to reply to this however I'm getting some

> >> sent to me personally and wanted to answer everyone in one shot. > >> > >> -Bill R. > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at:

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