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[Gerald Sdoutz]

Finally found the time to take the beast on some dirt trails. I'm pretty well a newbie off road, and was attempting a slow sharp left turn on a switch back going up this mountain side. So I planted my left foot, leaned the bike to the left and gave her some throttle. Next thing I know, I'm standing there and the bike is lying on its left side about 10 feet ahead of me. Obviously my technique requires some practice and/or more advice. Anyways, I run over to the bike and hit the kill switch, then stand it up, and check for damage. I put some decent scrapes in the left engine cover and bent the shifter slightly back. I think the shifter also rotated backward on the shaft, but did not brake (its stock). Really not too bad. I put the kill switch back to run, hit the starter, and . nothing, not a sound. After some fiddling with the shifter, some playing with the clutch, and turning it on and off it all of a sudden starts like nothing had happened. I figured I just did something wrong and continued on my way. Since then its done it a couple of more times, but it bike has to be hot/warm for it not to start. First thing in the morning, or after having sat at work all day, it starts right away, but drive it somewhere, turn it off for 5 min., and try to restart and nothing happens. Battery is good. The clutch, neutral and kick stand safety switches are good. So what did I break? Oh yeah, one last piece to the puzzle, last nite when it did this to me after gassing up, it also, all of a sudden, didn't want to shift out of neutral. Had to roll it forward a bit to get it to go into gear. I have absolutely no problems shifting when I riding it. So what gives? TIA, farmerger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jim]

My first thought is the clutch safety switch since you went down on the left, do you have lever guards? Another area to check is the starter relay under the black plastic cover above the shifter. Check the connections under there. One more thing would be to tighten your battery connections and you may want to check your water level if your not running a sealed battery. Keep us posted. --Jim A-15

> I put the kill switch back to run, hit the starter, and . nothing, not a > sound. After some fiddling with the shifter, some playing with the

clutch,

> and turning it on and off it all of a sudden starts like nothing had > happened. I figured I just did something wrong and continued on my way. > Since then its done it a couple of more times, but it bike has to be > hot/warm for it not to start. First thing in the morning, or after

having

> sat at work all day, it starts right away, but drive it somewhere,

turn it

> off for 5 min., and try to restart and nothing happens. Battery is

good.

> The clutch, neutral and kick stand safety switches are good. So

what did I

> break? > > > > Oh yeah, one last piece to the puzzle, last nite when it did this to me > after gassing up, it also, all of a sudden, didn't want to shift out of > neutral. Had to roll it forward a bit to get it to go into gear. I

have

> absolutely no problems shifting when I riding it. So what gives? > > > > TIA, > > > > farmerger > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Gerald Sdoutz]

Thanks for the reply Jim No lever guards. I took the clutch safety switch apart last nite. Couldn't find anything wrong with it. Also, if the bike is in neutral that switch doesn't do anything. So I don't think that's it. I checked battery connections and fluid level - they were OK. I also looked at the starter relay connections and they were fine. I didn't test the relay though. Is it possible I broke something in the relay that would show up only when the bike is hot? farmerger My first thought is the clutch safety switch since you went down on the left, do you have lever guards? Another area to check is the starter relay under the black plastic cover above the shifter. Check the connections under there. One more thing would be to tighten your battery connections and you may want to check your water level if your not running a sealed battery. Keep us posted. --Jim A-15

> I put the kill switch back to run, hit the starter, and . nothing, not a > sound. After some fiddling with the shifter, some playing with the

clutch,

> and turning it on and off it all of a sudden starts like nothing had > happened. I figured I just did something wrong and continued on my way. > Since then its done it a couple of more times, but it bike has to be > hot/warm for it not to start. First thing in the morning, or after

having

> sat at work all day, it starts right away, but drive it somewhere,

turn it

> off for 5 min., and try to restart and nothing happens. Battery is

good.

> The clutch, neutral and kick stand safety switches are good. So

what did I

> break? > > > > Oh yeah, one last piece to the puzzle, last nite when it did this to me > after gassing up, it also, all of a sudden, didn't want to shift out of > neutral. Had to roll it forward a bit to get it to go into gear. I

have

> absolutely no problems shifting when I riding it. So what gives? > > > > TIA, > > > > farmerger > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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[Eric L. Green]

On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Gerald Sdoutz wrote:

> backward on the shaft, but did not brake (its stock). Really not too bad. > I put the kill switch back to run, hit the starter, and . nothing, not a > sound. After some fiddling with the shifter, some playing with the clutch, > and turning it on and off it all of a sudden starts like nothing had > happened. I figured I just did something wrong and continued on my way. > Since then its done it a couple of more times, but it bike has to be > hot/warm for it not to start. First thing in the morning, or after having > sat at work all day, it starts right away, but drive it somewhere, turn it > off for 5 min., and try to restart and nothing happens. Battery is good. > The clutch, neutral and kick stand safety switches are good. So what did I > break?

You say that the safety switches are good, but how do you know? This sounds like one of the safety switches being snarky. Bypass them ( try totallywiredcycles.com if you want a neat kit for doing so) and what do you bet that the problem goes away? -E

[CA Stu]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Eric L. Green" wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Gerald Sdoutz wrote: > > backward on the shaft, but did not brake (its stock). Really not

too bad.

> > I put the kill switch back to run, hit the starter, and .

nothing, not a

> > sound. After some fiddling with the shifter, some playing with

the clutch,

> > and turning it on and off it all of a sudden starts like nothing

had

> > happened. I figured I just did something wrong and continued on

my way.

> > Since then its done it a couple of more times, but it bike has to

be

> > hot/warm for it not to start. First thing in the morning, or

after having

> > sat at work all day, it starts right away, but drive it

somewhere, turn it

> > off for 5 min., and try to restart and nothing happens. Battery

is good.

> > The clutch, neutral and kick stand safety switches are good. So

what did I

> > break? > > You say that the safety switches are good, but how do you know?

This

> sounds like one of the safety switches being snarky. Bypass them (

try

> totallywiredcycles.com if you want a neat kit for doing so) and

what do

> you bet that the problem goes away? > > -E

Check your connections at the starter relay, under the left side of the tank, in fornt of and inboard from the frame tube. Maybe you have a loose wire there. Next time it doesn't start right off the bat, just jiggle whatever wires you can reach going in there and see what happens. Sounds like a loose connection somewhere. You did check the battery cables, right? Thanks CA Stu

[clutz003]

<> This is true if the switch is working correctly, if it is not then the bike will not turn over, period. Ask me how I know........ I would suggest that you yake a look at the bypass info and try it to see if bike starts. If it does you solved the problem. Then the remaining choice is if you fix the safety switch or just leave it bypassed. This is a personal decision. Craig A18 San Jose CA Safety switches bypassed........

[mrodub]

An American-designed "adventure-sportbike"... interesting. Anyone have any thoughts on this beast? Kinda heavy at 470 lbs. Pricey too, over double the MSRP of a KLR! There's a good article on it in this months Cycle World. Check it out http://www.buell.com/en_us/bikes_gear/ulysses/

[Gerald Sdoutz]

Ok, I'll bite, how do you know? For what it's worth, since I took the switch apart and put it back together I haven't had the problem, so you are probably right, that was the culprit. I just can't quite understand how the switch can stop the bike from starting. I did note that it had contacts in both the engaged and disengaged positions, so it's sending a signal even when the clutch is engaged and the lever is out. But what is it sending the signal to? Thanks for all the replies boys, farmerger -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of clutz003 Sent: August 4, 2005 4:39 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: What did I break? > This is true if the switch is working correctly, if it is not then the bike will not turn over, period. Ask me how I know........ I would suggest that you yake a look at the bypass info and try it to see if bike starts. If it does you solved the problem. Then the remaining choice is if you fix the safety switch or just leave it bypassed. This is a personal decision. Craig A18 San Jose CA Safety switches bypassed........ Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Yahoo! Groups Links